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woj · 07-01-2005, 10:59 PM

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Rich · 07-01-2005, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

I think the best thing is for all you "non-Americans" to keep your tight asses on the other side of "the wall."
Occasionally, we will throw things over "The wall."
(Food, gifts, bombs....)
It's up to you to know which is which.
If you bring gifts to the gate, we will throw less bombs.

Either way, we really don't care.
If you piss us off, guess what? That's right, more bombs.
But under no circumstances do you get to come to my side of "the Wall."
You are welcome to try anytime you like, but......(That's right...Bombs)

How about that for a foreign policy?

Spoken like a true ignorant American. Then you wonder why things like 9/11 happen to such great people.

DWB · 07-02-2005, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by lloyd

what movies are you watching? platoon, full metal jacket, apocalypse now, and deer hunter are the vietnam movies that come to mind and none of those suggest america won..

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None of those were actually filmed in Vietnam. Thailand is where they film many of the Vietnam war movies because Vietnam will not give them permission to film there.

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DrifterXXL · 07-02-2005, 01:05 AM

Here is alittle something to think about:

FDR claimed Pearl Harbor was a surprise attack. It wasn't. The United States saw war with Japan as the means to get into war with Germany, which Americans opposed. So Roosevelt needed Japan to appear to strike first. Following an 8-step plan devised by the Office of Naval Intelligence, Roosevelt intentionally provoked Japan into the attack. Contrary to the official story, the fleet did not maintain radio silence, but sent messages intercepted and decoded by US intercept stations. Tricked by the lie of a surprise attack, Americans marched off to war.

Anthony · 07-02-2005, 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DrifterXXL

Here is alittle something to think about:

FDR claimed Pearl Harbor was a surprise attack. It wasn't. The United States saw war with Japan as the means to get into war with Germany, which Americans opposed. So Roosevelt needed Japan to appear to strike first. Following an 8-step plan devised by the Office of Naval Intelligence, Roosevelt intentionally provoked Japan into the attack. Contrary to the official story, the fleet did not maintain radio silence, but sent messages intercepted and decoded by US intercept stations. Tricked by the lie of a surprise attack, Americans marched off to war.

History does indeed repeat itself.

Weapons of Mass Destruction.

Barefootsies · 07-02-2005, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Scootermuze

War was never declared.... It was a police action.. and we weren't allowed to win..
We had soooo many opportunities to end the whole thing, but they weren't options in the eyes of the then administration...

Kennedy was getting ready to send in the really big guns and put an end to it, then poof.. he's dead... Imagine that...

Johnson, friends, and family... and wife's family had way too much bidness goin on and makin lots & lots of money.. no way it was gonna end..

It became a way of life with scores being kept on the news.. This many Americans died today... that many North Vietnamese died today...

Then after Nixon gets in, he sends Kissinger over and voila'.. We just quit fighting and come home.. 10 years worth of lives lost for nothing...

Kinda like what's happenin' now...

I've talked to plenty of vets over the years, and did a whole project on Vietnam back in college for one of my classes. Every vet will tell you they won every battle they fought. It was the politics that held them back.

This is all true. Johnson had the Viet Cong and North Vietnam on the run in '67-68, and then pulled back. Know your history folks.

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All American programs always show America winning every war. Watch WWII stuff on the military channel, they make it seem like America single handedly beat Nazis. Who? What? Russians? I don't think the Russians were even involved. Of course they're going to change history and say they won in Vietnam, that's what America does.

As for the comments about History Channel, and their programs... I do not know which one's you are claiming you are watching, but I've watched probably just about every one of theirs including those stupid breaking vegas things over the years. It's one of my most watched from International, to the regular one. They do not claim in WWII, Vietnam, or Korea we won single handedly ever.

When they were talking of the taking of Berlin, they specifically talked about how Russian threw 1 million people at the Germans in Stalin's efforts to get to Berlin first. Any Russian trying to flee was shot on site. It was a massacre. Also the US and Russian were in a race to Berlin, but under agreement with Stalin, Truman let the Russians get their first.

As for the propoganda,.. if you want the History Channel as much as you claim, you would have saw ALL of the propoganda used in various wars, by various countries. Sounds to me like you need to be a bit more well read, and educated on such matters before trying to pigeonhole the US.

Barefootsies · 07-02-2005, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DrifterXXL

Here is alittle something to think about:

FDR claimed Pearl Harbor was a surprise attack. It wasn't. The United States saw war with Japan as the means to get into war with Germany, which Americans opposed. So Roosevelt needed Japan to appear to strike first. Following an 8-step plan devised by the Office of Naval Intelligence, Roosevelt intentionally provoked Japan into the attack. Contrary to the official story, the fleet did not maintain radio silence, but sent messages intercepted and decoded by US intercept stations. Tricked by the lie of a surprise attack, Americans marched off to war.

This is correct. The American people did not want to go to war. The only way they would enter was with something like Pearl Harbor. The British knew it was coming, and FDR dillberately provoked the Japanese.

There were plenty of fuck ups mind you that could have prevented the attack from radar, to the mini sub, and so forth. But be that as it may, it was only a matter of time. If it wasn't Pearl Harbor, it would have been something else.

Barefootsies · 07-02-2005, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Rich

I see you got an A in high school history. The US did nothing to hurt Japan before Pearl Harbor, it was a complete unprovoked attacked. Those bastards.

Wrong again chief.

The US was one of Japan's main suppliers of oil. We put a boycott on the Japanese. This was done mainly because of Japan's warmongering in Asia, and China as they were taking over a lot of countries in the south Pacific.

Man, you really need to pick up a few history books before spouting this stuff off.

alexg · 07-02-2005, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Rich

Spoken like a true ignorant American. Then you wonder why things like 9/11 happen to such great people.

do you support what happend in 9/11?

Johny Traffic · 07-02-2005, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Wrong again chief.

The US was one of Japan's main suppliers of oil. We put a boycott on the Japanese. This was done mainly because of Japan's warmongering in Asia, and China as they were taking over a lot of countries in the south Pacific.

Man, you really need to pick up a few history books before spouting this stuff off.

Proof that Scarcasm is alive and well in the U.S

Barefootsies · 07-02-2005, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by theking

The US told Japan to cease and desist in their invasion of China and threatened a Naval blockade if Japan did not comply. Japan is an island that cannot even feed its people and has virtually no natural resources thus it had a major decision to make...comply or fight. Unfortunately they made the wrong decision. BTW they did not ever expect to win a war with the US...but did expect to buy themselves enough time to consolidate their expansion into Asia and then sue for a peace with the US.

Correct. They knew they would never win. Pearl Harbor was a tactic to destroy their fleet to buy them 12-18 months to run through the south Paicfic, gianing as much territory as possible, and then hope for peace, and that the US/world would let them keep their emporer, and territorial gains.

Didn't happen.

Barefootsies · 07-02-2005, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx

Absolutely correct! It was really just a "show" for Russians. Just to show who is the biggest boy there.

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That is entirely UNTRUE. Japan was going to surrender after the first A-bomb bomb. We dropped the second A-bomb to prove to Russia that we had more than one A-bomb.

Wrong, and wrong. The reason the second bomb was dropped was because they Japanese would not give an "unconditional" surrender. They would surrender after the first bomb, but they had terms, mainly in regards to the emporer.

Webby · 07-02-2005, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Relish XXX

When I watch Vietnam war films they all show America winning. Why in reality did they actually shit their pants and fly off in a helicopter from the embassy building?

Sure! This is all accurate! The US "won" Vietnam, Somalia, Pearl Harbor and a string of other achievements along with the more recent, - Afghanistan and Iraq. It could not be any other way, could it? :-)

The sad bit is the same shit is happening in the Middle East now - it's only a matter of time and facing the truth.

This is like a religious cult knocking on your door (or kicking it in) and spreading "our values" and "freedoms" knowing God is on our side :-)

Rich · 07-02-2005, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Wrong again chief.

The US was one of Japan's main suppliers of oil. We put a boycott on the Japanese. This was done mainly because of Japan's warmongering in Asia, and China as they were taking over a lot of countries in the south Pacific.

Man, you really need to pick up a few history books before spouting this stuff off.

I was being sarcastic. Notice the "those bastards" and the laughing face. I'm quite up to date on history, thank you.

Rich · 07-02-2005, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by alexg

do you support what happend in 9/11?

Absolutely not, I'm a human rights activist, I don't support any act of violence. 9/11 was a tragedy just like it is any time thousands of innocent people die unnecessarily. However I don't think 9/11 was nearly as bad as what America is doing to the poor Iraqi people, way more people have died just because most Americans are stupid and have no say in what their government does.

I don't hate America, I don't hate Israel, I hate war. Those are the two countries who kill the most people in our world by far and are responsible for the great majority of the world's wars, Fox News propaganda aside, and this is why I criticize the policies of the governments and complacent citizens of these nations.

SmokeyTheBear · 07-02-2005, 11:16 AM

nobody wins in a war silly's

Rich · 07-02-2005, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

History does indeed repeat itself.

Weapons of Mass Destruction.

History sure does repeat itself, 9/11 is the modern day equivalent of Pearl Harbour. If you believe that the neo cons in the government didn't know that was coming, you're in denial just as badly as people who believe PH was a surprise attack. Right, the greatest airforce in the history of the planet can't shoot down 3 huge, slow jetliners over some of the most important regions in the country, after they already knew they'd been hijacked and are heading towards buildings. That makes a lot of fucking sense. Not to mention the FEMA base they set up in NYC on Sept. 10th, that's a real fucking coincidence. Give me a break.

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DrifterXXL Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 51	Real War with Japan Here is alittle something to think about: FDR claimed Pearl Harbor was a surprise attack. It wasn't. The United States saw war with Japan as the means to get into war with Germany, which Americans opposed. So Roosevelt needed Japan to appear to strike first. Following an 8-step plan devised by the Office of Naval Intelligence, Roosevelt intentionally provoked Japan into the attack. Contrary to the official story, the fleet did not maintain radio silence, but sent messages intercepted and decoded by US intercept stations. Tricked by the lie of a surprise attack, Americans marched off to war.

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