When I watch Vietnam war films they all show America winning. Why in reality did they actually shit their pants and fly off in a helicopter from the embassy building?
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Is all American media censored to show lies?Originally posted by StickyGreen
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The propaganda engine, since early civilizations, is one to be feared, yet respected, because of it's highly unrealized, yet very profound effects on human conscious.Originally posted by Relish XXX
I dunno what I just wrote, but it sounded good a couple of seconds earlier, so I'm sticking with it.Your post count means nothing.Comment
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Didn't you see A Fish Called Wanda? Should answer your question.
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If you don't do it, somebody else will - true story!Comment
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not really, but during times of war propoganda rules.Originally posted by Relish XXXComment
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what movies are you watching? platoon, full metal jacket, apocalypse now, and deer hunter are the vietnam movies that come to mind and none of those suggest america won..Comment
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All American programs always show America winning every war. Watch WWII stuff on the military channel, they make it seem like America single handedly beat Nazis. Who? What? Russians? I don't think the Russians were even involved. Of course they're going to change history and say they won in Vietnam, that's what America does.
Originally posted by Relish XXX
Censored is not really the right term, although there are plenty of things you can't mention in the US media. It's a very complicated, highly effective propaganda machine, it's engineered towards painting a certain image of America and another one of everyone else. It's not just the media, the biggest problem is that they do it in schools. Read an American high school history textbook one of these days and you'll see what I mean. They paint what I like to call the story of America, a nation above all others, blessed by God, that does nothing but good in the world and wins every war it enters. They're taught that everything their government does is in the best interests of the greater good.
They tell kids that their revolutionary war involved the people rising up and fighting for their own interests, they don't mention that it was orchestrated by slave owning elites for their own benefit, who would become the ruling class and form the two party system, which has essentially kept the super rich unchallenged and in total control of the rest of the population for over two hundred years.
They tell them that their civil war was fought because one day people woke up and decided to end slavery. They don't explain that it was actually a complicated power struggle between north eastern and southern elites, and that slavery was only used as an issue because the bankers in the north didn't need slaves anymore.
They tell them that the Mexican war was started by Mexicans, when in fact it was an offensive invasion. "We take nothing by force, thank God". (Said famously right before they invaded Mexico and took more than half of their land, which they occupy to this day.)
They tell them that Pearl Harbor was a surprise and unprovoked, they don't mention the sanctions the US put against Japan that would have essentially put an end to their empire. They also call WWI a people's war, there's no mention of the fact that people who simply dissented against the draft in speeches or writings were given decade long prison sentences.
They don't teach about America's empire and wars of conquest, or any of the horrible things they've done over the years in places like South America or South East Asia. The vast majority of Americans can't name half of America's colonies, the real stupid ones even think that America isn't an empire at all. Most Americans never end up getting a real education, which is why you get a population ignorant enough to believe every lie their leaders tell them. This is why they're able to invade and occupy countries with the population at home thinking that they're doing "humanitarian work" or "ridding the world of evil" or whatever nonsense they're feeding the sheep this week. This is also why some Americans have a hard time understanding why the rest of the world does not like them.Comment
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America has been at war constantly since it's inception. Perpetual war is the health of the state. There's no such thing as times of war or peace times in America.Originally posted by IconComment
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Originally posted by Rich
Yep, don't you know? Russian's just helped the US army with some countenance and food/weapon to put a Red(!??) Flag over Reichstag.
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Oh so I guess Russia beat the Japs too in WWII? America didn't do shit? Gee aren't you thankful.Originally posted by RichComment
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Oh, yes... America did alot to beat the "Japs"... The only country that was stupid enough to drop 2 (TWO) nukes on civilian cities. Such a nice idea! I think that Japan is very grateful for that.Originally posted by GatorBLast edited by just a punk; 07-01-2005, 01:43 PM.Obey the CowgodComment
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Wait a second, Rich. Are you trying to tell me that people who obtain positions of power in Goverment are often times corrupt? You mean to tell me that these sorts of people take advantage of the situation to the benefit of their friends and families? This must be soley an American phenomenon though, right? Such abuses don't take place anywhere like Canada, France or well anywhere but in The United States, right? Surely if such things happened elsewhere you'd be here to report on it for us!
As far as revisionist history, well it's pretty much SOP everywhere, now isn't it? What do French text books teach about WWII and the valiant effort the mighty French put up staving off the German war machine? Christ, they still celebrate the French liberation of Paris.
Tool.Last edited by WarChild; 07-01-2005, 01:46 PM..Comment
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War was never declared.... It was a police action.. and we weren't allowed to win..
We had soooo many opportunities to end the whole thing, but they weren't options in the eyes of the then administration...
Kennedy was getting ready to send in the really big guns and put an end to it, then poof.. he's dead... Imagine that...
Johnson, friends, and family... and wife's family had way too much bidness goin on and makin lots & lots of money.. no way it was gonna end..
It became a way of life with scores being kept on the news.. This many Americans died today... that many North Vietnamese died today...
Then after Nixon gets in, he sends Kissinger over and voila'.. We just quit fighting and come home.. 10 years worth of lives lost for nothing...
Kinda like what's happenin' now...Comment
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What are you talking about?Originally posted by Scootermuze
They just had elections (in Iraq).The US has just installed a democracy in Iraq. Don't you watch the news?
This is completely different than Vietnam, just like my good friend 12clicks predicted. God bless his soul.Comment
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