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Originally Posted by Scootermuze
War was never declared.... It was a police action.. and we weren't allowed to win..
We had soooo many opportunities to end the whole thing, but they weren't options in the eyes of the then administration...
Kennedy was getting ready to send in the really big guns and put an end to it, then poof.. he's dead... Imagine that...
Johnson, friends, and family... and wife's family had way too much bidness goin on and makin lots & lots of money.. no way it was gonna end..
It became a way of life with scores being kept on the news.. This many Americans died today... that many North Vietnamese died today...
Then after Nixon gets in, he sends Kissinger over and voila'.. We just quit fighting and come home.. 10 years worth of lives lost for nothing...
Kinda like what's happenin' now...
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I've talked to plenty of vets over the years, and did a whole project on Vietnam back in college for one of my classes. Every vet will tell you they won every battle they fought. It was the politics that held them back.
This is all true. Johnson had the Viet Cong and North Vietnam on the run in '67-68, and then pulled back. Know your history folks.
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All American programs always show America winning every war. Watch WWII stuff on the military channel, they make it seem like America single handedly beat Nazis. Who? What? Russians? I don't think the Russians were even involved. Of course they're going to change history and say they won in Vietnam, that's what America does.
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As for the comments about History Channel, and their programs... I do not know which one's you are claiming you are watching, but I've watched probably just about every one of theirs including those stupid breaking vegas things over the years. It's one of my most watched from International, to the regular one. They do not claim in WWII, Vietnam, or Korea we won single handedly ever.
When they were talking of the taking of Berlin, they specifically talked about how Russian threw 1 million people at the Germans in Stalin's efforts to get to Berlin first. Any Russian trying to flee was shot on site. It was a massacre. Also the US and Russian were in a race to Berlin, but under agreement with Stalin, Truman let the Russians get their first.
As for the propoganda,.. if you want the History Channel as much as you claim, you would have saw ALL of the propoganda used in various wars, by various countries. Sounds to me like you need to be a bit more well read, and educated on such matters before trying to pigeonhole the US.
