Do You Trust The Government? - GoFuckYourself.com

European Lee · 06-23-2005, 09:28 PM

Simple enough question.

Do you trust your government not to lie to you?

I do, its not like they have ever lied to us before

Regards,

Lee

rickdu · 06-23-2005, 09:30 PM

the goverment is a lie

European Lee · 06-23-2005, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rick702

the goverment is a lie

No it isnt.

I trust them implicitly, they have NEVER lied to me.

Regards,

Lee

C_U_Next_Tuesday · 06-23-2005, 09:31 PM

They lie..its their nature . It's just scary to know that there are people that believe those lies

rickdu · 06-23-2005, 09:33 PM

it's all propaganda, systematic manipulation of public opinion, generally by the use of symbols such as flags, monuments, oratory, and publications. Modern propaganda is distinguished from other forms of communication in that it is consciously and deliberately used to influence group attitudes; all other functions are secondary. Thus, almost any attempt to sway public opinion, including lobbying, commercial advertising, and missionary work, can be broadly construed as propaganda. Generally, however, the term is restricted to the manipulation of political beliefs. Although allusions to propaganda can be found in ancient writings (e.g., Aristotle's Rhetoric), the organized use of propaganda did not develop until after the Industrial Revolution, when modern instruments of communication first enabled propagandists to easily reach mass audiences. The printing press, for example, made it possible for Thomas Paine's Common Sense to reach a large number of American colonists. Later, during the 20th cent., the advent of radio and television enabled propagandists to reach even greater numbers of people. In addition to the development of modern media, the rise of total warfare and of political movements has also contributed to the growing importance of propaganda in the 20th cent. In What Is To Be Done? (1902) V. I. Lenin emphasized the use of ?agitprop,? a combination of political agitation and propaganda designed to win the support of intellectuals and workers for the Communist revolution. Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini also used propaganda, especially in oratory, to develop and maintain the support of the masses. During World War II all the warring nations employed propaganda, often called psychological warfare, to boost civilian and military morale as well as to demoralize the enemy. The U.S. agency charged with disseminating wartime propaganda was the Office of War Information. In the postwar era propaganda activities continue to play a major role in world affairs. The United States Information Agency (USIA) was established in 1953 to facilitate the international dissemination of information about the United States. Radio Moscow, Radio Havana, and The Voice of America are just three of the large radio stations that provide information and propaganda throughout the world. In addition, certain refinements of the propaganda technique have developed, most notably brainwashing, the intensive indoctrination of political opponents against their will.

poisson · 06-23-2005, 09:34 PM

No, i dont

2HousePlague · 06-23-2005, 09:40 PM

That's a silly question, Lee.

How can anyone predict, rely on or "trust" the actions of a loose association of hundreds of thousands of people they've never met, working in hundreds of different government agencies (many of which have conflicting agendas) -- ?

Trust is something you give people you can look in the face, call on the phone and yell at -- and who have otherwise (in a thousand different ways) shown you that they deserve your trust --

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2HP

European Lee · 06-23-2005, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2HousePlague

That's a silly question, Lee.

How can anyone predict, rely on or "trust" the actions of a loose association of hundreds of thousands of people they've never met, working in hundreds of different government agencies (many of which have conflicting agendas) -- ?

Trust is something you give people you can look in the face, call on the phone and yell at -- and who have otherwise (in a thousand different ways) shown you that they deserve your trust --

--

2HP

Fair enough, so i take it you dont TRUST that the DOJ will stand by their private agreement with the FSC?

Regards,

Lee

reynold · 06-23-2005, 10:39 PM

In most issues--I don't!

webair · 06-23-2005, 10:43 PM

nofx · 06-23-2005, 10:46 PM

Love your country, but never trust its government. -- Robert A. Heinlein

That government is best which governs least. ~ Henry David
Thoreau

2HousePlague · 06-23-2005, 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by European Lee

Fair enough, so i take it you dont TRUST that the DOJ will stand by their private agreement with the FSC?

Regards,

Lee

Lee -- what I'm prepared to trust in is that the prudent folks at the FSC (and counsel) have made their agreement with individual government employees whom THEY have looked in the eye --

IDEA: Governments, like large companies, often use PR and branding to associate themselves with High Ideas or Abstract Concepts -- they do this to convey a certain feeling to their customers (or constituents) or to characterize their operations in a certain light.

Rather than ask the question can we trust the agreement -- ? -- if what you're concerned for is its basic plausibility, in light of the respective agendas and interests of the parties involved -- I would ask, instead:

Do you believe its possible that the two sides could meet privately and find a MECHANICS OF COMPROMISE that would:

1. Resolve the impasse,

2. Allow each representative to return to his or her constituents with "good news", and

3. Not publicly violate the attributes of each brand -- ?

I say, sure.

2HP

Mr. Pat · 06-23-2005, 11:21 PM

i don't trust em any farther than i can throw em

SirTreX · 06-23-2005, 11:26 PM

No I don't have any faith or trust in the current dutch (and american) government.

Love Brokers · 06-23-2005, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by European Lee

Simple enough question.

Do you trust your government not to lie to you?

I do, its not like they have ever lied to us before

Regards,

Lee

I sincerely believe there will be another "revolution" type uprising. Supreme court saying just allowing cities, states and fed government to seize personal prop under "eminent domain" so other business can flourish so they can pay more taxes. 2257. The Gross Failure of the government to stop the flood of illegal imigrants into this country. A National Park Ranger, they all carry side arms and have access to semi auto rifles now, lost his life in a gun battle near Mexico with some rag head terrorist. I better stop for now. Blood pressure rising.

reynold · 06-23-2005, 11:40 PM

=Only if it's governed by the proven nationalist--the GFYers!lol

Babagirls · 06-23-2005, 11:45 PM

simple answer: fuck no!

lotusmike · 06-23-2005, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by European Lee

Simple enough question.

Do you trust your government not to lie to you?

I do, its not like they have ever lied to us before

Regards,

Lee

I nominate this the dummest question of the week.

You must be from Missouri.

reynold · 06-23-2005, 11:50 PM

ok let's put it this way... 50/ 50. i cant give my 100%.

ADL Colin · 06-24-2005, 12:02 AM

I think the question should be rephrased to "do you trust people"?

Shoehorn! · 06-24-2005, 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by European Lee

Simple enough question.

Do you trust your government not to lie to you?

I do, its not like they have ever lied to us before

Regards,

Lee

This question shouldn't even have to be asked, but since it is, I don't trust the government at all.

European Lee · 06-24-2005, 12:14 AM

So everyone who said 'no' to my question...

Why are you trusting the DOJ to keep their end of the 'deal' they made with the FSC?

Regards,

Lee

Lev · 06-24-2005, 12:16 AM

there hasn't been a single government in history of mankind that hasn't lied. It all comes down to, which ones lie more.

ADL Colin · 06-24-2005, 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lev

there hasn't been a single government in history of mankind that hasn't lied. It all comes down to, which ones lie more.

Governments don't lie. People lie.

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rickdu Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 239	it's all propaganda, systematic manipulation of public opinion, generally by the use of symbols such as flags, monuments, oratory, and publications. Modern propaganda is distinguished from other forms of communication in that it is consciously and deliberately used to influence group attitudes; all other functions are secondary. Thus, almost any attempt to sway public opinion, including lobbying, commercial advertising, and missionary work, can be broadly construed as propaganda. Generally, however, the term is restricted to the manipulation of political beliefs. Although allusions to propaganda can be found in ancient writings (e.g., Aristotle's Rhetoric), the organized use of propaganda did not develop until after the Industrial Revolution, when modern instruments of communication first enabled propagandists to easily reach mass audiences. The printing press, for example, made it possible for Thomas Paine's Common Sense to reach a large number of American colonists. Later, during the 20th cent., the advent of radio and television enabled propagandists to reach even greater numbers of people. In addition to the development of modern media, the rise of total warfare and of political movements has also contributed to the growing importance of propaganda in the 20th cent. In What Is To Be Done? (1902) V. I. Lenin emphasized the use of ?agitprop,? a combination of political agitation and propaganda designed to win the support of intellectuals and workers for the Communist revolution. Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini also used propaganda, especially in oratory, to develop and maintain the support of the masses. During World War II all the warring nations employed propaganda, often called psychological warfare, to boost civilian and military morale as well as to demoralize the enemy. The U.S. agency charged with disseminating wartime propaganda was the Office of War Information. In the postwar era propaganda activities continue to play a major role in world affairs. The United States Information Agency (USIA) was established in 1953 to facilitate the international dissemination of information about the United States. Radio Moscow, Radio Havana, and The Voice of America are just three of the large radio stations that provide information and propaganda throughout the world. In addition, certain refinements of the propaganda technique have developed, most notably brainwashing, the intensive indoctrination of political opponents against their will.

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Lev Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,545	there hasn't been a single government in history of mankind that hasn't lied. It all comes down to, which ones lie more.