The affiliates, our traffic makes us money. Do any of your models sell memberships on the street to donnysmoney? Shit put a ref code on a shirt for them to wear.

:1orglaugh

He cant do that he expects everyone in this industry moving forward to do what he thinks is "Respectfull" of models and the Community.

I've been known to come with two large sides, so most are usually satisfied. :winkwink:

needlessly = the law ?

Awesome post.

Maybe Donny would like it better if we all did what he calls "Respects" models and stopped buying content. Or better yet if all affiliate programs decided to throw in the towel on the 23rd instead of making a decision they feel comfortable with. Than we can all sit around and talk about "The good 'ol days".

You may be able to get a member into a site that has no content but you won't keep them long, now will ya? People don't whip out the credit card on the advice of your affiliates. They whip it out because they want to look at your models.

Youve got some valid points there.. not the technical hassle..thats doable.. but the fact
people will put you in trouble (reversed) by hosting non compliant 2257 content.

FHG's or a content base where webmasters can hotlink content/pics/videos from (which is not allowed with current TGP's rules for example) would be the only reasonable solution.

Are we getting more in tune?

:1orglaugh Thanks for the laugh, Im more a two cheese enchiladas person.

take'em down then, they are thinking about 1,000's you are just ONE..

hey again your an adult and a business owner and you have the choice to do whatever it is that you like and we wish you luck at whatever it is you choose to do.

As far as Boycotting, please dont try and push others into your beliefs, simply do what you believe is right for you.

You have no idea what we think about the safety of our models, so please dont assume shit.

As far as me showing you releases, sorry but thats not going to happen unless you plan on coming in for a shoot than you can sign it after we explain it to you as well.

HOW DARE YOU follow the rules set forth by the DOJ instead of listening to Donavan Dumbass? Who do you think you are?

I guess you didn't take the time to read that all of our models have always been informed that the info. they provide can be distributed to secondary producers. And all the models that agreed and signed on did so by making an adult decision.

Cool you finally agree with someone, go make a thread together.

Yes.. they signed for it.. because they dont have a clue (nor did the people that made them sign) what that would mean under these new rules.

So you are right technically but other than that it does not apply.

Im going to hell, Im scum, Im going to get everyone killed, Donny wont shoot content for me, and Im going to destroy the entire industry. Im a useless fuck :)

Just about said it all so at least Donny cant try to stomp me anymore :) Oh wait, Im a hahahaha for not being involved in the church.

Chris, for the love of god! I know you guys always have cared about your mdoels. Please tell me that you are not sending out ids. I can not beleive that with your experience as well as your bosses great reputation I could not in a million years beleive you would do this.

It's all about trust, trust with your models first, your affiliates and people you do business with. You, by doing this will break the most basic vow of trust we as shooters make.... to protect our models at all cost.

Done business with you guys for three years, but by god I will pull you and make it very clear why.

Its an assult at the very profit center of the industry. Dude, I know you guys can see that.

How can you say they don't have a clue?

You have no idea what we think about the safety of our models, so please dont assume shit.

No assumptions needed. You've already made it clear you don't give a shit.

As far as Boycotting, please dont try and push others into your beliefs, simply do what you believe is right for you.

Shooting_Maniac, I'll join a boycott of any person idiotic enough to needlessly endanger models.

As far as me showing you releases, sorry but thats not going to happen unless you plan on coming in for a shoot than you can sign it after we explain it to you as well.

"Explaining" doesn't cut it. What's written down is all that matters.

The rules arent "NEW" they are just going to be inforced by inspections, the rules have been in palce since 1995, shame on producers that didnt properly inform their clients that because they didnt have the proper model releases their clients would be fucking their affiliates because they wouldnt be able to give them the tools they need to succeed in this business in the event there was an actual agency that followed up on an existing law.

so every u.s. affiliate should just go to prison?

So the fact that secundary procuders are affiliates didnt come to you as a surpise?

I would be suprised if www.donnysmoney.com has over 500 members.

Aww Donny can use bold now too :)

Yeah well "Explaining what was written down always made it very clear, maybe you should do it with the models you shoot, it's not a bad business practice and might help clear up any questions they have.

As for your other two comments. Bro seriously dont judge people you dont know shit about.

So all your content producers use the same release and all have a line item showing that you, the secondary producer has full rights to send out their personal info to anyone, other then law inforcment? Really? Yeah dude, we are ll idiots here.


I call bullshit and Ive written more model releases then you have ever read. Please.

Like I said our models were told exactly what they were signing up for. We do care about our models, we care about our affiliates )who need to provide for their families), we care about the employees of Extreme that need a paycheck to survive. This decision was made with everyone and everything in mind. It was not a two second decision, a lot of time and energy was put into it. In the end, this is what we feel is best.

Well prepare to be surprised. You could double your estimate and still not be at the number of affiliates I have.

John is naughty and needs a spanking !!!

i think it suprised everyone. but the new regs say 'well you should have known that, and we're coming for you'.

taking everything down now does nothing to save you. you need the docs if you have ever published a pic as an affiliate.

Shut up you clueless fuck! No, of course not. They adapt. I have a fucking tgo also dumb ass. Its do friniking easy to be complaint, without me ever needed an id from a sponsor. SO many clueless fucks out here its not even funny. Makes me want to vomit.

I trust my models and I trust my affiliates. Enough said, they have to make money too, just like the models.

Thank you for the kind words, I can assure you no one at Extreme roled out of bed and thought this was the greatest idea ever to hit the planet, however we had choices to make and based on the current laws and our previous relationship and document handeling it covers all Secondary Producers which means our Affiliates in which case I personally did make the decision to do what we are doing. Again doesnt mean everyone will like it, some will respect it some will be pissed by it and some will act like a 2 year old about it (see Donny), however if nothing else we made a proffesional decision based on the Law and the rules set forth and our current paperwork status.

Wooo hooo You volounteering???

Ill put on that Pink Thong you like.

you are assuming that changing everything NOW is 'compliance'. as has been pointed out, the DOJ is saying you should have been in compliance the entire time. take everything offline now - doesn't change anything. you are still responsible for previous pics you have posted either in a gallery or tgp.

Well you can call "bullshit" or whatever you like. But let's make it clear that I did not call or assume anyone was an idiot. I'm just explaining to you and everyone here the choice that we made.

Yep, fuck the people that put that money in your pocket just so your standard of living does not change. Damn dude, you are not the Chris I know.

Damn.

You have a such a dirty mind :winkwink:

Let's just say in the worst case scenario that our Producers DID NOT use our Model Release, at which time they sell us the content we are now "Secondary Producers" which means that the release signed must say something in regards to "Secondary Producers" and "Law Enforcement", again Im not saying Ive read a million releases but even in the worst of all cases in regards to content we purchase from any of our producers (excluding non-exclusive ofcourse), we are still considered "Secondary Producers" and would need that information in order for us to be compliant under 2257. Cine there is no variable of "Third Producer" it makes the release very clear (unless it's an older release or a release not purtaining to exclusive content).

please reread what i said. i said members not affiliates. not knocking just trying to point out if you had thousands of members then you have thousands of affiliates. you have to take the affiliates into consideration toon and not just your content production (models).

Dude, do you shoot content? How many models have has sign releases? Ive been on this law for 10 months. Ive spent at least 10k on Lawyers getting my act together on this issues. Giving out ID is NOT I repeat NOT the solution. Go read the damn lightspeed thread would ya.

Im not going to argue. Erroring on the side of the model is the RIGHT thing to do here.

You couldnt be more right.

You're pretty freakin' gullible, aren't ya? You don't think "busy-amateurs.com" can happen again? Particular with an AFFILIATE who ISN'T making over $400k per month like BA? Then you're trusted "affiliate" makes it his job to "save the porn models for Jesus" and who knows what happens.

Or an affiliate gets a fascination with one of your models and starts stalking her.

There are SO MANY other possibilities.

No no no because than that would mean everything is "Relative" which cant be true, because regardless of the size or antyhing else it's all about the "Model" and "Donovans personal views".

Which before he Hijacked the shit out of this thread with his "OPINION" this thread was simply stating a choice by an Adult Entertainment Company moving forward. He couldnt understand that and had to jump in with his "Opinion" instead of reading, maybe moving on or maybe making his own post for his moment in the sun.

so you are a primary producer and you have all your documentation in place. great. but for every affiliate who is NOT also the primary producer (almost all of them), they are being told that they should have been in compliance all this time. taking your hard core photos down before june 23 does nothing to help you. going 'all text' doesn't help you. you need the docs from the primary producers or you're completely fucked.

John, Im just asking you revist this. You guys have always been a class act and there is ways, far easier then sending out ids and models to make this work. I would not be freaking out if I didnt know otherwise.... for certain. I understand its was a hard choice. I do, but it can be done, easier and safer then what you are doing here. Dont give in man.

Lets say that was true (for the moment lets just say).

Does this mean that hotlinking images means you dont need 2257 docs for those images? Lets say I store the images on imageshack and hotlink them, does this absolve me of the requirement to keep 2257 records? I think not.

What about IFRAME?

Yup well maybe one of the people buying the content you shoot will become fascinated with one of your models and want to stalk them, but lemme guess thats not the same right.

Exactly right.


I'll promise you this: this thread is being bookmarked. If an "Extreme" model is harmed or, God forbid, killed, I'll be the first to call the DA as a witness for the prosecution. You guys have had the risks spelled out in this thread and have been offered plenty of viable options that don't endanger models.

No because if you are "Managing" the website in question which means those images "Hotlinked" are displayed on your page than you are to be considered a "Secondary producer". Managing = "Secondary Producer" along with 100 other things.