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I'm with DonovanPhillips on this one. While it might not seem like that bad of an idea now, giving out IDs, even with blacked out addresses is going to not only cause a streak of stalking and other problems, but will significantly reduce the number of new girls willing to model. As if starring in porn weren't a deterrent enough, the distribution of model IDs removes any hope of anonymity that a model may have - instead of only having to worry about family and friends knowing about their activities, now their public info will be out in the open for everyone to see. Sure, many girls will still do it, but you're going to lose a lot of prospective talent for future shoots.
Maybe a solution to this would be to allow each girl to have some input as to how her information can be distributed, so that you won't scare away all prospective talent. Shooting a model and not being able to give it to affiliates is surely better than not shooting at all. |
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Ive seen some that have said they will not comply and be a sort of "conscientious objector". Others dont need to bother with 2257 at this stage becuse they dont live and host in the US. Will you require them to be compliant anyway? |
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And what happens if one of these "legitimate" affiliates becomes upset over something? Or if they decide to "turn to God" a la Busty-Amateurs.com . Think some of those freaks may start harassing models? I do. Stop thinking only with your pocketbook. You can do just as well providing affiliates with fresh hosted galleries, or allowing them to build their own and host for them, as Steve Lightspeed has mentioned. Protect your fuckin' models, man. They're the ones people pay to see. Without them you die. |
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Nah , It's the money. With your content there is no reason that you couldn't take a stance such as lightspeed. You run you biz how you see fit, but don't act as if you have no choices. as for your U.S. gallery guys, Do realize that your U.S. gallery submitters in a whole lot of cases are going to be required to pass along these model id's to EVERY TGP that they submit to that is compliant or needs to comply. You could be passing your id's out to THOUSANDS of people that are not even an affiliate of yours... And before the flames, justification and speculation begin. Remember who you are compromising your models info for. Look at this board, what % of your webmasters are going to do the right thing with the info after a few days of trying to comply?? While I don't like it , and really don't agree with it. A company that specilizes in HARDCORE and Extreme content are between a rock and a hardplace. Softcore or Solo Model , Glam sites have an alternative if they are willing to put the proper work in. Many have speculated the dangers, to paysites giving out this info and I think it is even riskier for people with very identifiable girls........but do as you wish it's your business. Just remember, you can't take the info back. |
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Fuck it.. Give the secondary producers id with the name blacked out too.
If they want the rest they can buy it from the sponsor or get it when or if they ever really need it, like in a legal situation. Im telling you, most of us secondary guys just want some kind of evidence of effort to be shown in your part with providing us with some DOB documentation for us to have on hand to show we made an effort, and an assurance that YOU have the proper documentation on hand for us if and only if legal situations arise. |
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Throughout all this i fully agree with your point of view on this situation. Handing out Id's (partially censored or not) WILL eventually turn inot big problems. "And what happens if one of these "legitimate" affiliates becomes upset over something? Or if they decide to "turn to God" a la Busty-Amateurs.com . Think some of those freaks may start harassing models? I do." This WILL happen.. 100%. |
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Those that dont want to comply and want to be renegade, or fly under the radar or want to prey for an injunction, personally for me I cant live like that not to mention I have a responsability to the employee's of EP and their famalies as well as the affiliates that earn money using EP. As for the Affiliates out of the country they will be governed by the laws of their country and until otherwise will be handled as so. |
An id with everything blacked out (name for exmaple.. which is most crucial to protect) is merely a picture with a DOB .. might as well add a DOB to the content.. same effect.
You have to hand out full ID scans or nothing. |
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Nah, you're just pushin' your models into the wind. Short term thinking. What will your affiliates promote when no models will work for you anymore? |
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Finding talent is hard enough. With disclosure more open than in the past, you will, as a primary producer, draw from a smaller pool of models, especially if something bad happens. Wouldn't a better option be to find ways to live with the new laws, rather than bending to them? For example, instead of disclosing model IDs, couldn't you offer the hosted galleries as other sponsors are planning to? This would strike a nice middle ground. Wouldn't it also be feasable to give models the option of keeping their info limited to the primary only, or to allow full disclosure under the new 2257? If models see this as becoming too hostile, then you're going to lose a lot of talent, regardless about how many expert opinions feel it is the best thing to do. Just my :2 cents: |
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HOSTED GALLERIES ^^^ solves the problem. 'Nuff said. |
Here's another approach to addressing the secondary producer affialate problem.
When making your free hosted galleries, have in addition to what ever thumbs you normally have on your gallereis 1 or 2 softcore thumbs on the gallery.. That way a person like me, when I want to promote your gallerey on my thumb sites, I can use that softcore image to promote your gallery with rather than the Hardcore one.. Once the surfer leaves my site and goes to your FHG, then my hands are clean of it.. It just sucks that sites like mine need "thumbs" to promote or push traffic from my site to your FHG. Im not about to switch back to "text" based style TGP's and MGPs. |
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Again, protect your models. Both of these solutions does that. |
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Better yet since you took out a huge % of people on GFY and affiliates alike in the post above in regards to not knowing who your sending stuff to. Well here's a question for you, do you personally know and hang out with everyone you sell content to that you furnish that info to or do you just not give your model info out to the people that purchased it because they could be some sick freak making a content purchase that wants to stalk some chick? Again if people want to stalk people they are going to do it regardless, and again I NEVER SAID I THOUGHT THE GOVERNMENTS PLAN OR LAWS WERE A BRIGHT IDEA. I have simply made a decision after proper discussion with my attorneys, paperwork review, and an overall look at the situation that I feel will benefit my current affiliates in the long run. Doesnt mean that Donavan has to like it or anyone else for that matter. As for Models, we have been working with models for 6+ years and have always treated our models more than fair, we ensure they clearly understand our Model Release forms and the risks involved with signing it, at that time the models can make an adult decision to either film or not film, thats their god given choice and we give them that choice. |
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Im not a content producer but giving out id's to webmasters is just as irresponsible as handing out your processors admin password so they can check if everything is legit. You know you cant do that. Life of models is involved here. If you want to think just business: no model wants their ids released to a bunch of retards like us so that will have serious consequences for production after a few months and the first incidents. |
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What came first the chicken or the egg?? Your damned if you do, damned if you don't, you can't give him shit for his decision any more than you can give Lightspeed shit for their decision......they're both trying to make the best of a fucked up situation. |
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I sell exclusive content only to a VERY SHORT LIST of very respected businesses. I can count the number of companies I actively sell content to on one hand. I'll drop those who give out model IDs to affiliates. Post #69 gives you two solutions. |
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Unless the client provides the models and they are ok with it. |
I have a feeling that we will all work through this as most of us are divided on this issue when it comes to secondary (affilates).
I also feel that no sponsor I currently work with will be left behind on this as I originally had worried about.. I will be dealing with 2 kinds of sponsors. 1. the one's that give me or make some kind of effort to give me some form of DOB documention in order to continue to promote them on my sites. 2. the ones that continue to make FHG's for me to continue promoting, but include one or two softcore images on the gallerey as well for me to use to promote that gallery. Naturally $$ talks and the sponsors that allwow me to use Hardcore thumbs to promote their sites off mine will do much much better.. But the second option will also suffice in our $ making relationship. |
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Ive been listening to people for years say the model pool will thin out, I havent seen it yet, and personally dont feel with proper practices and communication with Producers that it will become an issue. As for Hosted Galleries we have them too, keep in mind not every affiliate wants to use Hosted Galleries, also keep in mind that if every Affiliate Program woke up tomorrow and took the stance that it wouldnt consider Affiliates as Secondary producers that Gallery Building Affiliates as a whole would be crushed. |
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You are aware that the first page of your tour has no less than 330 images that do not require 2257 documentation to be handed out. one can only assume, and I know because I've been inside. that their are at least 15-20 images per thumb that also don't require you to give out documents. If you say you have to give out ID's or your business will go down the drain that is one thing, But you have a TON of content I am looking at as I type this that would not require you to give ID's and compromise your models. And don't forget when Jethro in Podunk gets popped and didn't pay attention to the doc's, didn't ask for the doc's has a cpu failure and looses his docs. It's gonna cause a shit storm on your front door. I'm not saying your going to get busted, but they will come asking questions. I hope it never happens, but damn dude unlike alot of these hardcore niches you have options. This is the last I will say on the matter, and I thank you for taking the time to read this, I have said my :2 cents: so I will STFU now. It's your biz. and Lia's and everyother model on your sites business but not mine. |
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Again: SHORT TERM THINKING. Read and re-read post #69. |
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it's solutions like this that make you the Godfather of the BP4L family. Very wise idea. |
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Read post #69 http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...3&postcount=69 |
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Guess we will see wont we. Than we Donavan you can jump on here and piss a yellow rainbow about how you told me so, until than your going off of a shitload of assumptions and accusations that have no backing for this current day and time. |
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PS I have answered everything you have stated, why dont you answer the one question I asked you, prove to me how you know EVERY SINGLE COMPANY/PERSON you sell to.. Just because they have bought from you for years doesnt mean a thing and doesnt make them any different than an affiliate that has been with ARS, EP ND, TB RC, or any other affiliate program for years. |
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I understand from a business perspective why your priority is aimed at your affiliates but in reality, when full id's turns out the only way to go, this will cause shit to hit the fan. |
I do not know the answer to this question, and would appreciate someone offering the answer: do free hosted galleries linked via a FRAME or IFRAME count as part of "my page"?
I understand the natural reaction to using FHGs, but it does seem a tempting solution right now. Also, what about using a layout like this: ---------------- [softcore pic] [softcore pic] [softcore pic] [softcore pic] [softcore pic] [softcore pic] [softcore pic] [softcore pic] [softcore pic] [click here for hardcore action] ---------------- Then have the "click here" use a javascript popup to a smaller window displaying the FHG. Using window properties, the titlebar can be hidden, similar to many help popups you see on mainstream sites. Are tactics like these legal, or would it be an illegal attempt to find a loophole? |
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Lol.. Who are you posting under that fake user name? |
You have options that work just as well or better than what you've decided to do. This type of shit shows the type of trashy scum really work in this business. You can easily protect your models but instead you'd rather rationalize with bullshit like this. How do YOU know which models are okay and which aren't?
Start hosting galleries. Create hosted galleries and/or provide space for affiliates to build their own galleries. If the galleries are on your servers under a domain you own, everybody wins. Your affiliates will appreciate the free hosting. Otherwise you're complete and utter pond scum, thinking only of your own bottom line. |
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