About your 2257 concerns with model's addresses and so forth... - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

AaronM · 06-05-2005, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete-KT

How long did it take u to figure this one out Aaron ;)

Go Fuck Yourself.

Donny · 06-05-2005, 05:27 PM

State IDs are preferrable to passports. Especially here in California.

My balls are salty.

AaronM · 06-05-2005, 05:31 PM

I was in LA back in August and I went to a bar that was full of porn stars...Apparently a regular hang out.

The bouncer refused my passport as valid ID so I had to go back and get my license.

theking · 06-05-2005, 06:41 PM

Is it fact that one does not have to keep records of any kind for softcore (non explicit...just boobs...ass...and pubic hair...no spread shots)?

GatorB · 06-05-2005, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Combine that with the fact that a lot of the posts you make are way off base...I'm simply sick of reading your stupid shit.
.

There IS an IGNORE feature. If you are so sick of my posts as you claim why don't you just fucking use it? You'd never have to read another one of my posts again. Explain that one? Perhaps I should just add to to mine. I mean if that's ok with you.

Shooting_Manic · 06-05-2005, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Show me where I mentioned the word PASSPORT. See that's what I'm fucking talking about. People getting pissy at me for thing I NEVER said.

As far all the full name well the 2257 requires the full name. WTF do you want ME to do about it? But if you have been shooting models you have to have that info already for years so why bitch about that now? And wouldn't a passport have a models name on it?

Did you even read my post before you made your response? Wow!

Shooting_Manic · 06-05-2005, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by chase

Forgive me for possibly wading in over my head here, but regarding passports....
as it was pointed out to me...even if from here on out every single model used a passport, it doesn't change the the thousands of model who posed before and used their state IDs.

You are correct. Shooting 10 years and never had one American girl give me a passport for id.... ever. Thousands of models.

NaughtyRob · 06-05-2005, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Shooting_Manic

You are correct. Shooting 10 years and never had one American girl give me a passport for id.... ever. Thousands of models.

Same here, and I agree with AaronM, they want money Now. It takes a while for a passport, not to mention money, which they don't have, thats why they want to model nude 90% of the time.

theking · 06-05-2005, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

Is it fact that one does not have to keep records of any kind for softcore (non explicit...just boobs...ass...and pubic hair...no spread shots)?

????????

NaughtyRob · 06-05-2005, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by theking
Is it fact that one does not have to keep records of any kind for softcore (non explicit...just boobs...ass...and pubic hair...no spread shots)?

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Originally Posted by theking

????????

No, you still need to prove they are over 18.

GatorB · 06-05-2005, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Shooting_Manic

Did you even read my post before you made your response? Wow!

Did you READ mine? Because if you did your first post to me has nothing to do with anything I posted about.

After Shock Media · 06-05-2005, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ContentProducer

Originally Posted by theking
Is it fact that one does not have to keep records of any kind for softcore (non explicit...just boobs...ass...and pubic hair...no spread shots)?

No, you still need to prove they are over 18.

Curious where you pulled this from. (just asking questions of course)

theking · 06-05-2005, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ContentProducer

Originally Posted by theking
Is it fact that one does not have to keep records of any kind for softcore (non explicit...just boobs...ass...and pubic hair...no spread shots)?

No, you still need to prove they are over 18.

So does the full new 2257 compliance still come into play as regards record keeping?

Relish XXX · 06-05-2005, 07:14 PM

We had the Inladn Revenue visit us getting documents to prove we paid a girl who was alos claiming council benefits. We had to give them all the ID etc that she had given us. Surprisingly she didnt reside at the address on the documents.

jonesy · 06-05-2005, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

I know and understand your sense of humor but suggesting...even as a joke...that my models are bums is not funny to me....Especially if a potential client reads your statement and takes it seriously. Remember...GFY if full of people who take things the wrong way.

did you just take a hypocrite pill?

NaughtyRob · 06-05-2005, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

So does the full new 2257 compliance still come into play as regards record keeping?

No. I am not an expert or an attorney. But from what I understand you just need a link to the primary producer for those sites just like the current regulations. Think about it. Say I shoot content of a girl topless. She still needs to be 18 for it to be legal in the US.

After Shock Media · 06-05-2005, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ContentProducer

No. I am not an expert or an attorney. But from what I understand you just need a link to the primary producer for those sites just like the current regulations. Think about it. Say I shoot content of a girl topless. She still needs to be 18 for it to be legal in the US.

ummmm

theking · 06-05-2005, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ContentProducer

No. I am not an expert or an attorney. But from what I understand you just need a link to the primary producer for those sites just like the current regulations. Think about it. Say I shoot content of a girl topless. She still needs to be 18 for it to be legal in the US.

Well...when I said "keep any kind of records" I should have specified as a secondary producer/publisher...and my thinking is the same as yours that one should only have to link to the primary producer...for proof of age...as I do not personally view ass...boobs and bush as being "sexually explicit".

I acutally consulted two different attorneys but it was out side their expertise and I got two different sets of thought...but both didn't really have a clue...about what constitues "sexually explicit" and or the record keeping aspect.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 06-05-2005, 07:29 PM

Duirng my five plus years of shooting content for my adult sites, I have always had EVERY model fill in a 2257 form and provide ID just in case the law or interpretation of it changes (in addition to a separate Release form).

The most common form of ID is a Drivers License. Even if the address is not current or blacked out, with the Drivers License number and real name it would not be hard to find a current address for most people. I assume that is what the DOJ will use if they want to track down a person (or to determine if an ID is fake).

My hope is that the adult industry lawyers will prevail in striking down many of the new rules. In the meantime I am double-checking my records, cross-indexing them, and creating redundant back-up copies of everything (2257 docs, hard drives, etc).

We will survive...

ADG Webmaster

Paul Markham · 06-05-2005, 10:39 PM

Lot of mis information in this thread.

The passport is very prevelant in the EU because only some countries agreed, I think it was The Treaty Of Rome, to remove border controls. If you travel in or out of the UK you require an passport or official ID, not 100% sure on the official ID as we all carry passports here.

Europeans expect to travel to more countries then people in the US, whether they do or don't is not what they "expect" to do.

The idea that models change their address is very true. They get the ID when they are 15 to 17, when they live at home. Aaron tell the girls you will be giving IDs to people who will distribute them to 1,000s and they are safe because the address on the ID relates to where Mum and Dad live.

That should get you loads of models.

Paul Markham · 06-05-2005, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Shooting_Manic

You are correct. Shooting 10 years and never had one American girl give me a passport for id.... ever. Thousands of models.

Different here, can't remember the last time a model said she did not have a passport. But I think they are just as broke and in need of money.

AaronM · 06-05-2005, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ContentProducer

No. I am not an expert or an attorney. But from what I understand you just need a link to the primary producer for those sites just like the current regulations. Think about it. Say I shoot content of a girl topless. She still needs to be 18 for it to be legal in the US.

Wrong, wrong, and wrong.

Well...This part was right but that's it. " I am not an expert or an attorney"

MaDalton · 06-06-2005, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by charly

Lot of mis information in this thread.

The passport is very prevelant in the EU because only some countries agreed, I think it was The Treaty Of Rome, to remove border controls. If you travel in or out of the UK you require an passport or official ID, not 100% sure on the official ID as we all carry passports here.

Europeans expect to travel to more countries then people in the US, whether they do or don't is not what they "expect" to do.

The idea that models change their address is very true. They get the ID when they are 15 to 17, when they live at home. Aaron tell the girls you will be giving IDs to people who will distribute them to 1,000s and they are safe because the address on the ID relates to where Mum and Dad live.

That should get you loads of models.

The Schengen Treaty

EROTEEK · 06-06-2005, 02:49 AM

OK, all of you, stop the fucking fuss about that, and order some custom sets. Our models are all European, unseen on the internet, they sign a 2257 release for any shooting, and they all have European passports, name and DOB and photo, no adress...

Sarah_Jayne · 06-06-2005, 03:57 AM

which makes me feel a bit for the people that then move into the addresses that the models once lived at

MaDalton · 06-06-2005, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by sarah_webinc

which makes me feel a bit for the people that then move into the addresses that the models once lived at

haha - never thought of that. it rings, you open the door and got a load in your face just because you moved into Tawnees apartment.

L-Pink · 06-06-2005, 06:33 AM

Aaron, good point, Their full name is more than enough. For the same amount of money as a monthly membership to her site, Mr Stalker can ... with models full name ... now run an advanced people search that tells ... her past 5 addresses, current and previous tenants of that address, her ex-neighbors, relatives in the same area, phone numbers, any real property she owns, number of times married, divorces, husbands names, bankruptcies, leans, judgments, internet names owned, arrest record ..... etc ...

Once you find that "Heidi" is really Sally Snodgrass you are ready for your first surprise date.

MaDalton · 06-06-2005, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Aaron, good point, Their full name is more than enough. For the same amount of money as a monthly membership to her site, Mr Stalker can ... with models full name ... now run an advanced people search that tells ... her past 5 addresses, current and previous tenants of that address, her ex-neighbors, relatives in the same area, phone numbers, any real property she owns, number of times married, divorces, husbands names, bankruptcies, leans, judgments, internet names owned, arrest record ..... etc ...

Once you find that "Heidi" is really Sally Snodgrass you are ready for your first surprise date.

the name and age of a lot of girls are already know through sites like eurobabeindex or sportyone - so id docs without address do not add potential danger that not already existed.

taibo · 06-06-2005, 07:22 AM

a good concern

Shooting_Manic · 06-06-2005, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by charly

Different here, can't remember the last time a model said she did not have a passport. But I think they are just as broke and in need of money.

That may be the case there, but it sure isnt here. No matter though. It will all come out in the wash im sure. Just funny some of the comments in here. Amazing how many people that have never picked up a camera or shot a model knows what one should expect from them.

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06-05-2005, 10:39 PM	#71
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Lot of mis information in this thread. The passport is very prevelant in the EU because only some countries agreed, I think it was The Treaty Of Rome, to remove border controls. If you travel in or out of the UK you require an passport or official ID, not 100% sure on the official ID as we all carry passports here. Europeans expect to travel to more countries then people in the US, whether they do or don't is not what they "expect" to do. The idea that models change their address is very true. They get the ID when they are 15 to 17, when they live at home. Aaron tell the girls you will be giving IDs to people who will distribute them to 1,000s and they are safe because the address on the ID relates to where Mum and Dad live. That should get you loads of models. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

06-06-2005, 02:49 AM	#75
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06-05-2005, 05:27 PM	#53
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	State IDs are preferrable to passports. Especially here in California. My balls are salty.

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AaronM Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: ┌∩┐ ◣_◢ ┌∩┐ Posts: 46,909	I was in LA back in August and I went to a bar that was full of porn stars...Apparently a regular hang out. The bouncer refused my passport as valid ID so I had to go back and get my license.

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06-06-2005, 06:33 AM	#78
L-Pink working on my tan Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida/Kentucky Posts: 39,151	All you need is their full name Aaron, good point, Their full name is more than enough. For the same amount of money as a monthly membership to her site, Mr Stalker can ... with models full name ... now run an advanced people search that tells ... her past 5 addresses, current and previous tenants of that address, her ex-neighbors, relatives in the same area, phone numbers, any real property she owns, number of times married, divorces, husbands names, bankruptcies, leans, judgments, internet names owned, arrest record ..... etc ... Once you find that "Heidi" is really Sally Snodgrass you are ready for your first surprise date.

06-06-2005, 07:22 AM	#80
taibo Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,720	a good concern