TGP vs TGP2 - Let's end this discussion now

[SleazyDream]

Open for debate, but I get a lot of flack now from newbies about this TGP2 stuff.

Here's my thoughts on it. I really don't belive TGP2s sell any better for anything other than Pic paysites. Why would big penis ads, dating services, evidence eliminator, CDs, phermones, or the like sell better than TGPs or any other site? I will agree that pic paysites would sell better on TGP2s, but that's about all. Problem is, time is money and it all comes down to traffic. TGP2s are a very small segment of the free porn marketplace. VERY SMALL. Ok - this might might be unfortunate but it's reality. Once a surfer finds a regular TGP they arn't comming back to a TGP2. Bookmark lost and removed.

I've heard people say TGP2s do 10X what TGPs do. BULLSHIT. That's just becasue these people dn't know how to make an effective TGP gallery. I will admite though, that for selling Pic Paysites a TGP2 would sell about 3-5X as well.

Now lets do a little math there. There are very very few TGP2s with over 10K uniques/day. There might be one or two but that's like saying everyone has the traffic of theHun in TGP. There's a reasonable amout of them with 5k real traffic that isn't being fed to them from TGPs (casue if it is those surfers will just click out and not waste their time as they know where the 'real' goods are) so lets be generous and reasonable and say TGP2 is 5X better. That means that the 5k sites are equivalent to 25K TGPs. Now seriously, anyone doing TGP submissions nowadays looks for TGPs with 100K+/day mostly becasue there are dozens and dozens of them out there. (sure some smaller TGPs do well for gallery traffic due to less links on them and such, but I'm generalizing here.) Now a newbie will probally use a free host or max out their dialup free website option so bandwidth is out of the equation. I break it down to time invested as a gallery maker. TGP2 5k=25K /day avergae gallery submitted to. TGP 100K+/day average gallery submitted to.
That means that even though you are doing better ratios, you still need the TRAFFIC to make any real money. TGPs will pay out WAY better than TGP2s for a well made gallery designed to sell because they get WAY WAY more traffic. I suppose that's the key though, designig a gallery to sell is a lot different than just designing a gallery. Most people just don't get that point.

It takes time to make galleries. Time is money. And that equation should only hold true if you're selling a pic paysite.

Personally I find it funny how people will spend more time thinking about ways to get out of doing the work than just doing the work and will try and justify it any way they can in their head.

[This message has been edited by SleazyDream (edited 10-16-2001).]

[JackFoley]

You write a big long post like that and expect the discussion to END???

I think by now we all know the pros and cons of TGP1 vs. TGP2 and can make our own decisions...

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[Naughty]

Sleazydream, have you ever visited a TGP2 board?
Did you notice that a lot of sponsors offer up to 33% more payout to TGP2 site owners and gallerymakers?

Not for nothing, it has great potential, ppl like you are just trying to put down our efforts, just like the hackers trying to infringe our pages, TGP1 siteowners emailing us, like they are regular surfers asking for more pics etcetera... too funny to mention.

If it fails, we can change our rules and we could continue as TGP1, if it doesn't, we are all happy with having tried something else than FREE porn.

[Juicy D. Links]

Sleazy,

I think it all boils down to your marketing skills.........

If you are a good marketer then it doesnat matter tgp or tgp2 you will make sales....

I started two tgp2's to test out and to be honest I make more off of juicylinks.com and just submitting galleries.

The idea behind tgp2 is a good one but when you have sites feeding it tgp and crap traffic that defeats the whole purpose.

With a little refinement and some time it might work..

Also you gotta feed it internet newbie traffic thats has no clue who thehun or sleazy or zilla is... correct??

Just my 2 cents

[12clicks]

Originally posted by SleazyDream:
Once a surfer finds a regular TGP they arn't comming back to a TGP2. Bookmark lost and removed.

bullshit.

The discussion is ended cuz SleazyDream said so

[wolfshade]

A 6 week study by Colin posted on the TGP2 board:

Why TGP2s are better than TGP1s.
TGP2 galleries, as we have previously shown, have CTR rates that are about 10x better
than TGP1 galleries. These TGP2 galleries actually convert quite a bit better
than TGP1 also.

I have stats to present to everyone regarding the comparison of TGP2 compared straight to
TGP1s. These are for the sites themselves and NOT the galleries. Many people have already
presented evidence of the superiority of the TGP2 gallery to the TGP1 gallery. The stats are for two of my TGP2s combined compared to one of my largest TGP1s. The link and sponsor are exactly the same on both and have the same placement. The number of clicks to sponsor was statistically significant.

On the TGP2s, CTR to sponsor was 1.5%
On the TGP1s, CTR to sponsor was .3%

This was actually somewhat surprising to me. Even though CTR on TGP2 galleries is 10x higher than on TGP1s, I expected that CTR on the TGP2s themselves would be much more in line with that on TGP1s. It was surprising to find the same link in the same spot on TGP2s with 5x the CTR.

The conversion rates for these links were as follows:

On the TGP2s, sign-up ratio was 1/700.
On the TGP1s, sign-up ratio was 1/1500.

This was for a significant amount of traffic. I have been tabulating these results for over
six weeks to get fair data. At present, I conclude that the value of a TGP2 surfer on the TGP2 itself is 10x that of a surfer on a TGP. This is the factor of 5x better CTR
and 2x better sign-up ratio.

My data now shows that TGP2 surfers are 10x more valuable than TGP1 surfers on both the
galleries and the TGP2s themselves. I believe the superiority of the TGP2 model to the TGP1 model has been clearly demonstrated. A model that depends on giving away 1000s of the same free pics that one intends to later sell and intentionally restricts the clicks sent
to the sponsors is seriously flawed.

Now you make up ya minds

Wolfshade


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[Ludedude]

but I get a lot of flack now from newbies about this TGP2 stuff.

You know what the fuck pisses me off about assholes like you? You think you know every goddam thing there is to know and no one can teach you anything. If you were treated by the "players" when you were a wet-behind-the-ears-know-nothing-wannabe the same way you treat newcomers now, you'd be nobody today. It's sure not your intelligence that allowed you to get anywhere in this industry. Someone helped you and you return the favor by pissing on newbies every chance you get.

I hate to break the news to you, Sleazy, but you ain't all that, not by a long-shot.

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[wolfshade]

Ludedude what gave you the idea he is anywhere in this industry?



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[Ludedude]

Originally posted by wolfshade:
Ludedude what gave you the idea he is anywhere in this industry?



Wolfshade

Just giving him the beneit of the doubt, lest I get thrown in the same sinking ship as him



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[Amputate Your Head]

Well said up there Lude...

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[Ludedude]

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head:
Well said up there Lude...

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[RockDaddy]

I think somebody wants another DVD


RD

[ADL Colin]

"I will admit though, that for selling Pic Paysites a TGP2 would sell about 3-5X as well."

An astonishing figure, Sleazy! May I quote you? What does this say about the future of TGP2?

"you still need the TRAFFIC to make any real money." True! No one argues that. But you need 3-5x LESS traffic to make the same amount of money and then your bandwidth bill is much less! We shall see what happens!

[TheFLY]

end in the end I think nobody REALLY knows why surfers sign up for paysites...

to fixate on the amount of free content really leaves a lot of variables out of the equation... you are working on many levels of human desire... and human behavior... psychology, etc... you can't break signups down to a simple formula like

tgp > tgp2



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[12clicks]

Originally posted by TheFLY:
end in the end I think nobody REALLY knows why surfers sign up for paysites...

to fixate on the amount of free content really leaves a lot of variables out of the equation... you are working on many levels of human desire... and human behavior... psychology, etc... you can't break signups down to a simple formula like

tgp > tgp2

you're right fly. not everyone can. That's why you should thank the guys showing you how to.

[Ludedude]

Originally posted by 12clicks:
you're right fly. not everyone can. That's why you should thank the guys showing you how to.

Got butter?

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[OzKaNoz]

Rock On! Ludedude


The proof is there folks take it or leave it!

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[Kimmykim]

Originally posted by RockDaddy:
I think somebody wants another DVD


RD

Is that it? I looked at this and I thought that the TGP2 guys were going to be invited to pay 300 bucks to come to dinner

[TheFLY]

Originally posted by 12clicks:
you're right fly. not everyone can. That's why you should thank the guys showing you how to.

i install hidden cameras behind porn surfers... track eyeball movement, heart rate, brain scan... the works...

TGP2 show 10% increase in brain activity...
5% increase in glandular movements...
10% increase in perspiration...

and the list goes on baby...

[SleazyDream]

Isn't it sad how you can demonstrate a point to someone and they look at it and talk about it but still don't get it?

[Kimmykim]

Originally posted by SleazyDream:
Isn't it sad how you can demonstrate a point to someone and they look at it and talk about it but still don't get it?

Yes, it is.

[boneprone]

I dont get it..
My nuts itch.

[Ludedude]

Originally posted by Kimmykim:
Yes, it is.

Amen, Kimmy

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[Dopy]

TGP2 is one of the smartest ideas to appear for a long time but this won?t become apparent to everyone for some time yet. The next smart move would be for TGP to set its max number of pics at 16. What I find really amusing and off topic is how the majority of TGP?s carrying these huge amounts of traffic don?t diversify their marketing, its almost as though they think a visitors credit cards can only pay for porn. I notice a few have got smart recently, realising the large number of freeloader 18-24 year olds can be distracted into pulling out the plastic. Yep, these guys own Cars Bikes Stereos and all sorts of shit that need accessories. There are lots of companies that don?t want to associate themselves with porn in public but what goes on behind closed doors is another matter.

[boneprone]

I love ya susan.

[Kimmykim]

Ah well Susan the tgp guys for the most part would sooner make people put 16 more pics on each gallery than limit them to 16 total.

Can't keep those counter hit stats up high enough and still make money it seems.

[Unriz3n]

TGP2 = The idea of having sites with 1mil uniques a day posting galleries with 5 pics cutting your bandwidth in half and making 2x as much for the site & gallery maker. Might just be me, but I love the idea of making more and spending less...if others don't, fuck 'em...I'll take sleazy's share.

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[This message has been edited by Unriz3n (edited 10-16-2001).]

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally posted by Unriz3n:
TGP2 = The idea of having sites with 1mil uniques a day posting galleries with 5 pics cutting your bandwidth in half and making 2x as much for the site & gallery maker. Might just be me, but I love the idea of making more and spending less...if others don't, fuck 'em...

Nice philosophy ya got there.... be even nicer if it actually worked. But as long as there are regular TGPs out there with tons of free porn for the discerning surfer.... not gonna happen bud....


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[Kimmykim]

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head:
Nice philosophy ya got there.... be even nicer if it actually worked. But as long as there are regular TGPs out there with tons of free porn for the discerning surfer.... not gonna happen bud....

Behave yourself Amp, pay per join instead of per click and freehosting were two of those other ideas that just couldn't work

[TFCash]

I'm not sure why we are having this discussion, it never seems to amaze me why folks think that just because they do things a certain way that everyone should do it the same way And I'm talking about both TGP1 and TGP2, I thought we were all here to discuss ways of making more money, not to tear each other's way of doing it into shreds ???? Just a thought.

I do want to know why boneprone's nut's are itching all the time


Tim

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally posted by hardcorehosting:
I do want to know why boneprone's nut's are itching all the time

We may never know....



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[Amputate Your Head]

Originally posted by Kimmykim:
Behave yourself Amp, pay per join instead of per click and freehosting were two of those other ideas that just couldn't work

It'll never work I tell ya! (a little monkey told me so....)

TGP2 has it's positive notes, as well as good 'ol TGP1.... I just think it's funny that both sides try so hard to convince the other that theirs is "better"... why not leave it up to the individual webmasters to decide what works best for them? I mean, shit... you don;t see paysite guys in here talkin' flack about "Freesites will never fly.... "... what works for one guy may be a waste of time for someone else...

I just see alot of humor in all of it I guess....



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[Itchy]

Any one know what happened to
The New Age TGP's ?
Kinda the same as a tgp2.

[SleazyDream]

Amp, you never cease to amaze me. Sometimes - and I do mean SOMETIMES, you actually make sense.

[SleazyDream]

I got Plugged in Andy Dunn's newsletter today!!!! ha ha he ha ha

[Unriz3n]

Still have yet to figure out why amp always has some smart alec remark to every post i make on this board (i dont post often). TGP and TGP2 both have good notes to each...that is why I do both.

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[Amputate Your Head]

Originally posted by SleazyDream:
I got Plugged in Andy Dunn's newsletter today!!!! ha ha he ha ha

You forgot to mention that it was because you sent them the email.... they quoted you, not plugged you.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally posted by Unriz3n:
Still have yet to figure out why amp always has some smart alec remark to every post i make on this board

Who are you?



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[wolfshade]

Well in this case the TGP2 guys didn't start the discussion but we sure as hell will join in

My gues is that sleazy is having trouble with TGP2(perhaps more webmasters are turning towards TGP2 then we know at this point?)

Therefor he chose to try to bash it.

I'll say it one more time:

As long as I can make $ 100 a day from a 5 pic gallery with only 2k of uniques it has to be a good thing

Now I am not "trying hard to convince others of my way of doing bizz" but I am stating facts. TGP2 works and the more webmasters that see it will use it and Ultimately it will create a better bizz enviroment for all gallerybuilders, just give it time.

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[This message has been edited by wolfshade (edited 10-17-2001).]

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally posted by wolfshade:
Now I am not "trying hard to convince others of my way of doing bizz" but I am stating facts. TGP2 works and blah blah blah...

And the opposite is also true. TGP1 works just as well for those that it works well for. Just statin' the facts.



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[Bake]

Hmm I have both a tgp1 and a tgp2 I must say that my conversions on tgp2 are higher.Shame it gets like 3 sales a week thought.I dont bother to make tgp2 galleries at the moment because I dont have the time. TGP1 posting still makes me a few extra K a month with only about 4 to 5 galleries a weeks so Ill stick with that till tgp2 gets some traffic. Its a shame that all the tgp2 webmaster seem to heading down the same path as tgp1 though. Where new new ground could have been broken and new idea's fluish they chose to stick ther heads up there ass and go with the current formula. I was hopeing for something more.

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[boneprone]

Amp is Lord!

[12clicks]

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head:

You forgot to mention that it was because you sent them the email.... they quoted you, not plugged you.

hahahahaha. This moron keeps pumping himself up at his own expense.
our programs have never NOT been featured in Andy's news letter.
oh, and he's the best foosball player you've ever met.

[SleazyDream]

Shows what you fools know, I didn't email him, I ICQed him.

[Ludedude]

Originally posted by SleazyDream:
Shows what you fools know, I didn't email him, I ICQed him.

Ouch...something went wrong with the GFY bullshit detector I guess. Needs some fine-tuning guys

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[Nedder]

Everyone should stop bitching about TGP1 vs TGP2 and just donate all their money to me.

The laws of nature will dictate who wins that war, meanwhile I need a new beemer.

[Forest]

TGP2 ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!

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[Kimmykim]

Originally posted by SleazyDream:
Shows what you fools know, I didn't email him, I ICQed him.

Ah well, never mind. It would be way too easy to take a shot at this.