Don't trust aga from Netpond with an escrow (or Slavik for that matter) - Page 3 - GoFuckYourself.com

aflex · 05-25-2005, 09:01 PM

DomBuyer, it could have been a larger transaction. Write this one off a lesson learned (however way you take it). I agree with KRL, a deal isn't done until the check is cleared.

Excuse my ignorance to the domain biz, but what makes DOWLOADS.COM worth 25k? type-ins?

brand0n · 05-25-2005, 09:07 PM

great domain for a great price. slavik is pretty slick man, he dont miss much.

Brujah · 05-25-2005, 09:10 PM

Seriously, Slavik shouldn't even be part of this nonsense. Your beef lies elsewhere, and then not even there since you admit it was completely within his rights to cancel the transaction.

Move on.

Pleasurepays · 05-25-2005, 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DomBuyer

I'm not going to spend the whole night rehashing what is in the thread. I'm going to bed.

My post is a warning to people that there are those that operate on their word and those that don't. Amongst the people that I do business with, it's simply unheard of to say "yes" to an escrow and agree and then default to sell to someone else.

I am particularly disappointed in Slavik. I gave him ample opportunity to explain his case to me and make good. He refused. His silence has spoken. I'm sorry that I won't be able to do business with him again.

For those of you who think "no harm no foul" please don't do business with me either.

you have some of my domains. can i have them back now? i will send you the list in the morning. don't make me ask twice.

Peaches · 05-25-2005, 09:30 PM

Who's to say Slavik's even ignoring you? He might have left the house, gone to dinner, it's a holiday weekend and he might have left early. Reaming someone because they are "silent" just doesn't make logical sense.

And what is the answer you want from him? Out of all three of you he's the one with the least knowledge of anything you and Aga supposedly worked out. If he cuts you a deal, great, but if he doesn't, he's done NOTHING wrong.

GonZo · 05-25-2005, 09:52 PM

More importantly...
Did Slavdogg ever get his ice wine?
FREE THE ICE WINE...
and FREE THE hahahaha CONFUCY!!!

beemk · 05-25-2005, 10:02 PM

i dont see how slavik did anything wrong

Doctor Dre · 05-25-2005, 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaches

Who's to say Slavik's even ignoring you? He might have left the house, gone to dinner, it's a holiday weekend and he might have left early. Reaming someone because they are "silent" just doesn't make logical sense.

And what is the answer you want from him? Out of all three of you he's the one with the least knowledge of anything you and Aga supposedly worked out. If he cuts you a deal, great, but if he doesn't, he's done NOTHING wrong.

He's talked about this problem like a week ago ... so he's been ignoring him . I understand his frustration ... but this is all about offer and demand . Aga maybe fucked him over ... but shit happens

Trixxxia · 05-25-2005, 10:47 PM

Just bringing some links back & why DomBuyer may be a little frustrated. Remember the thread he started *DomBuyer's guide to turning a grand to $3k-$5k or more

Well in this post he wrote: (in particular what is in bold)

Quote:

Originally Posted by DomBuyer

con't:

Those of us in the business of buying up domains have an unwritten rule that if you bring us a name, we will never push you out of the way if you have a specific price and we aren't in the middle of buying that name or seriously negotiating. Point is, we want people to continue sending us names, so if we start cutting out freelancers, we lose names. It's that simple.

So, you write me and say: "Dombuyer is this name worth $400 to you without knowing the traffic?"

I say "Why, yes it is."

Now you're investment is guaranteed.

Email the second Dombuyer guy. Maybe it's Slavik.

"Slavik, is this name worth $500 to you?"

"Why, yes it is" says Slavik.

Repeat until someone says "No."

Right there, without having put up a dime, you might have made $300 or more on top of your original $300."

The key is not to contact someone you can't trust, else they will cut you out and it's game over.

I have a name right now that is a beat $25k but I'm not sure I want it, even though the seller and I have agreed on a price. I have a list of people I can contact and ask if they want it, without it getting back to the seller or having it bought out from under me. This serves all parties in this trust loop.

There are lessons that weren't given in that thread - in fact, perhaps lessons that we all learned now:

Like KRL said *The deal ain't sealed until the check clears* in some cases.
The unwritten rule should be agreed upon by all parties - & most definitely written somewhere - like a contract.
I'm not sure it's anger as much as disappointment based on what he believed of his 'trust loop' when he wrote the thread.
The example on the thread sounds eerily like it's the domain in question that this story is about - I could be wrong though.

pradaboy · 05-25-2005, 11:33 PM

a deal is a deal is a deal...

If Slavik knew about your deal with Aga and then pursued the domain knowing you would be left with nothing then I would agree that he did not handle fair and he should be blamed for having bad business techniques.

However there is a possibility that he didn't know and in that case he can't be blamed. After all I think it's Aga who should get the shitload for backing out of an agreed deal. If I were you I'd sling some mud on NetPond

Anthony · 05-26-2005, 12:31 AM

I guess I can see in this thread who know how to make money, and those who are clueless.

eroswebmaster · 05-26-2005, 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony

I guess I can see in this thread who know how to make money, and those who are clueless.

I'm broke, can you point me in the right direction?

Lord Aga · 05-26-2005, 01:50 AM

Hello

Look.. Dombuyer did not get the domain because he uses bully boy tactics in order to get domains for a fraction of what they are worth. Things like sending off escrow agreements and saying he has already sent $$ to escrow.com before a deal has even been agreed on. Also making deadlines or no deal..

I dont need the $$ and dont suffer bullies.. so he lost out.

I`d post the emails and ICQs we exchanged on here.. showing the but that would be uncool, an invasion of privacy and maybe even illegal.

Oh.. and Slavics away for a week in Vegas.. But I bet Dombuyer knew that ;)

BTW.. promote http://www.netpondcash.. we have uniques sites like http://aga.uncovered.com and http://dogging.uncovered.com lol

Manowar · 05-26-2005, 02:03 AM

Now that's scummy.

SleazyDream · 05-26-2005, 02:07 AM

i've experiuenced the same lack of any profesional conduct with meat from netpond.

sad

ADL Colin · 05-26-2005, 02:15 AM

I'm now selling memberships to the Slavik Fan Club for $100. And I'm not just the president, I'm a member.

V_RocKs · 05-26-2005, 02:27 AM

Fucked up shit... But this is definately a hard call if Slav truely didn't know of the escrow... On a domain over $999.99, it should be the first question asked, "Are you in escrow? Have you recently talked to anyone else? Then ask if anyone is talking to netpond..." If not, proceed. If so, tell them to go to the original buyer. This brand of working together meens that you will make more money and have a good relationship with your competitors.

V_RocKs · 05-26-2005, 02:28 AM

Is it just me or is Netpond.com so - like, 2003?

polish_aristocrat · 05-26-2005, 03:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XPays

when are you going to learn that whatever your offer is, is always lower than any real domain buyer will spend.

you are like the giant catfish caught recently - a bottomfeeder

congrats slavik and a deal ain't done until it's done- just like 99.9% of the domains you prematurely ejaculate about that you lose later.

bay areaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Nothing wrong in paying slightly less than the domain is worth.
That's actually smart...

polish_aristocrat · 05-26-2005, 03:34 AM

I agree with DB - Escrow is Escrow, it's very unfair to reverse it, but now we have to listen to Slavik's side too ( I havent read the thread yet, so not sure if he already replied )

sonofsam · 05-26-2005, 03:35 AM

Aga has replied... http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=472368

DomBuyer · 05-26-2005, 03:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Aga

Hello

Look.. Dombuyer did not get the domain because he uses bully boy tactics in order to get domains for a fraction of what they are worth. Things like sending off escrow agreements and saying he has already sent $$ to escrow.com before a deal has even been agreed on. Also making deadlines or no deal..

I dont need the $$ and dont suffer bullies.. so he lost out.

I`d post the emails and ICQs we exchanged on here.. showing the but that would be uncool, an invasion of privacy and maybe even illegal.

Oh.. and Slavics away for a week in Vegas.. But I bet Dombuyer knew that ;)

BTW.. promote http://www.netpondcash.. we have uniques sites like http://aga.uncovered.com and http://dogging.uncovered.com lol

I see.

So you didn't give me your word to sell me the domain at the price you and I fully agreed upon?

And you didn't agree to the escrow after I even told you that you didn't need to and your word was enough (sounds just like a bully!)?

Drop the face Lord Aga: you screwed me and then didn't even have the courtesy to email me. And once you made contact, and I noted that at least you could have given me a chance to meet slavik's bid you said:

"If I was not out of town I would have contacted you and told you personally.. but as it was all I could do was get my partner to log into escrow.com and inform them to inform you not to send any $$

I arrived back to a bunch of bullshit emails from you before I had a chance to talk to you.. and to be honest that pissed me off.

anyways.. I no longer own the domain so theres not much point getting into any further discussions on it."

That much is true. It's a done deal. Just wanted to let everyone know how you operate.

Taboo · 05-26-2005, 04:08 AM

always plenty of drama when you play the domain game. not surprised at all.

but I just assumed all the major domain players were attending the big domain summit(s) this week.

When I was reading this thread I assumed Slavik was attending one of them.

both events just happen to be competing for the same weekend:
http://www.domainroundtable.com - Seattle May 25-27
http://www.targetedtraffic.com - Las Vegas May 24-27

I couldn't decide which one to go to...so I didn't pick either. Maybe I'll start my own someday. Coming 2006: DomainSummit.com

Taboo · 05-26-2005, 04:19 AM

I learned something very important in this thread.

that all these domains are gone:
freedowloads.com,freegamedownloads.com,freemusicdo wnloads.com,freedownloads.com,downlods.com,freedow nlods.com,downlod.com,freedownlod.com,donlaod.com, freedownlaod.com,freedownlaods.com,donwload.com,fr eedonwload.com,donwloads.com,freedonwloads.com,dow nlode.com,downlodes.com,downloader.com,downloder.c om

... oh yeah... and getting a contract is always necessary.

btw, DomBuyer... I was so pissed at you yesterday... so very pissed that I might start a new thread...

... you owned almost every "font" domain I wanted to register or buy.

But fortunately for me, you left one open so I reg'd it.. now I own the singular and you own the plural which is fine by me... the silver lining for you is that you're going to get some of my traffic when I launch my service later this year... at least my traffic will be going to someone I know.

Rui · 05-26-2005, 04:45 AM

Slavik did nothing wrong...move along

DomBuyer · 05-26-2005, 05:07 AM

I'm not crying over spilt milk. You don't stay in the domain business for as long as I have without realizing it's a messy business. Difference is, I choose to deal with people who keep their word and operate in good faith, and I am always surprised when large players will sully their rep for an extra $10k.

It's very short-sighted. It's amazing how many names come to me through ongoing relationships, so I never let a few grand get in the way of a good relationship, and therefore am surprised when people will destroy a relationship for a couple of grand.

I ain't perfect, and I've had lots of messy scrapes in the business myself, but I've learned that on a very practical level, if you keep your word, you make more money in the long run.

If you don't keep your word, I don't do business with you, and I don't give a shit who you are. Both these guys warned me against posting, which is exactly why I decided to do it.

IPK · 05-26-2005, 05:38 AM

Bottom Line:

1. You may have had a contract with Aga.

2. You did not have a contract with Slavik.

3. Dragging Slavik's name through the mud in this situation is just low.

DomBuyer · 05-26-2005, 05:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IPK

Bottom Line:

1. You may have had a contract with Aga.

2. You did not have a contract with Slavik.

3. Dragging Slavik's name through the mud in this situation is just low.

Wrong. Having made slavik aware of a contract with escrow, and the seller's word to sell to me, slavik should have handed the name back to me in order to preserve the escrow process he uses himself.

That he didn't says something about him, and exposes him to the same dirty tactics. Lots of you guys here seem to think anything goes until the money's in the bank. I don't. You don't have to agree. This warning is for those who think like me.

who · 05-26-2005, 05:44 AM

I sail cheapicqs.com

IPK · 05-26-2005, 05:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DomBuyer

Wrong. Having made slavik aware of a contract with escrow, and the seller's word to sell to me, slavik should have handed the name back to me in order to preserve the escrow process he uses himself.

That he didn't says something about him, and exposes him to the same dirty tactics. Lots of you guys here seem to think anything goes until the money's in the bank. I don't. You don't have to agree. This warning is for those who think like me.

Your beef is with Aga and nothing you say with convince anyone otherwise.

DomBuyer · 05-26-2005, 05:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IPK

Your beef is with Aga and nothing you say with convince anyone otherwise.

Okay.

pradaboy · 05-26-2005, 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofsam

Aga has replied... http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=472368

You do realize you linked to the frontpage of this very same thread don't you?

I think you wanted to post something along the line of this:

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...&postcount=114

Anthony · 05-26-2005, 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Is it just me or is Netpond.com so - like, 2003?

That would be Netpond 2001.

Anthony · 05-26-2005, 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eroswebmaster

I'm broke, can you point me in the right direction?

When making a deal with someone who has a time constraint, don't extend yourself and say you can do it, and then back out at the last minute.

That does a few things.

1. Ensure that, that the party who contracted you will never do business with you again.

2. Ensure that if asked about said business practices, party will inform of what happened.

--

That's a start. See where you go from there.

SmokeyTheBear · 05-26-2005, 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XPays

a deal ain't done until it's done-

Quote:

Originally Posted by XPays

a deal is a deal where i come from.

Quote:

Originally Posted by XPays

sounds like you could not afford to pay more than slavik or you would have and kept your deal alive.

Are 2 people using your account ?

DomBuyer · 05-26-2005, 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

Are 2 people using your account ?

Thank you.

Rick Latona · 05-26-2005, 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DomBuyer

Just thought I'd share with you a very disappointing domain transaction and fair warning on these two guys and how they operate.

Some weeks back I got Aga, co-owner from Netpond, to sell me dowloads.com. (I'd use his real name, but apparently it's against the rules here. email me if you need the straight goods). He approached me via my gfy thread.

We bargained back and forth and eventually I agreed to his asking price of $25k. He asked if we could do the escrow.com transaction when he returned on Friday. I told him via icq:

"Just give me your word we're done at $25k, and you can do it tomorrow or something. Fair enough?"

His response (direct from icq logs):

"you have my word

I own Netpond.com so you could always come and slag me off on my own board! lol.. hey.. would love for you to pop your head in every now and again.. its where webfather broke his teeth!"

Then he went ahead and decided to just agreee to the escrow.com transaction anyways.

I wired out the money the next day.

Then I get a note from escrow.com that he has cancelled the transaction.

"He doesn't want to sell at the price at this time." the cancellation says.

I'm thinking, WTF!!!??

I honestly have never had someone cancel an agreed-upon escrow. As far as I'm concerned, once someone agrees to escrow and gives me their word, it's a done deal unless someone doesn't pay or someone takes too long to follow through.

Long story short is he doesn't bother to even email me like a man and tell me why he's cancelling a binding contract.

Then I find out that he's sold the name out from under me to Slavik, a guy who has always been a standup guy with me, and with whom I've done lots of business.

I can't tell you how disappointed I am. Why would a guy like slavik do such a thing. To me, AGA from Netpond is now scum, blacklisted far and wide. But he's not who I care about. It seems awfully out of character for a guy like slavik.

When I ask slavik via icq what the deal is, he tells me that AGA was settling a debt by giving him the domain.

I say to him, "Yes, but I had an escrow with him. Do contracts mean nothing to you?"

Silence.

I ask him if he knew I had an escrow transaction with him? He says he didn't know.

I tell him: "Well, now you know and if the situation were reversed, you wouldn't have to ask me twice to get the domain back."

More silence.

Since then, I have sent four or five emails and icq's to slavik, all ignored.

I'm never surprised when people grub for an extra nickel, but this one caught me by surprise.

Mr. deltino.com? History to me. But slavik? That's more puzzling.

Slav, you going to let me have dowloads.com back at the $25k that I was supposed to have it back via escrow.com, or do contracts and word mean nothing to you.

PS: Don't expect to do any more biz with us until this is resolved. It may not hurt you, but that's not the point. Word is bond.

PPS: As I told you via icq, people approach me with names you have in escrow. I never touch 'em. Why can't you extend me the same courtesy?

When buying names, your goal is to get the seller to part with an asset that they think is worth more than you want to pay. Perceived value to the seller (especially a knowlegable one like DomBuyer) will most likely be higher than what you want to spend.

After 1000s of transactions I can promise you that getting them to agree on price takes less work than actually finalizing the transaction. Sellers get sellers remorse most of the time. If you sell houses, cars or other high ticket items, most customers that leave happy will end up not being able to sleep because they feel tremendous guilt over the small errors that they think about after the transaction.

In the case of domains, they have more time to think about it becuase you can't close the deal on the spot unless you think you are really getting a steal and offer cash no-questions-asked. If you think you are paying full market value, you better do due-dillegence to make sure that the traffic is type-in and not a result of burried links from a previously devoloped site and a host of other things you need to worry about.

The point is, the burden is on you to manage the transaction through fulfillment. Whether he is civil liable for the way he handled it is irrelevant. We all know you aren't going to spend the lawyer fees to attack him whether you feel that you were wronged or not. My advice is to approach this as a learning situation and think of it as a deal that got away, not a deal that was taken from you.

That approach will make you more money in the long-term because it will focus your mental efforts when communicating with sellers.

The goal is always to get them to part with it and only the fulfillment and finalization of the deal means you accomplished your goal. Great domainers have created fabulous portfolios by using creative finance techniques and innovative marketing techniques (DomBuyer being one of them). If you really want to compete in this market, get better at finding unique ways to get them to part and finalize transactions rather than paying retail and complaining when they sell it to someone else for more

Believe me, you'd rather forgive DomBuyer and keep him in your loop because he is one of the few domainers like me that actually sells domains on a regular basis. He's smart enough to know that if he can get a large multiple of revenues, he's better off to sell it and buy domains at a lower multiple of revenues. Few people in the domain space take this logical finance approach that everyone should take.

Don't burn the bridge.

jacked · 05-26-2005, 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Is it just me or is Netpond.com so - like, 2003?

i believe netpond is #1 on hahahahahahahahahahahaha at the moment

howard · 05-26-2005, 08:09 AM

Dom Buyer--I get your point but biz is biz. Its about money and relationships. Aga obviously has a realtionship with Slavik and not you. He found out he could get more money from a person he has relationship with and he probably figures he will need slavick more in the future than he will need you.

It may be cold but its business. Thats how things work. I've sold a ton of domains and they all go to the highest bidder.

If I do a deal, then i get a higher offer I would go back to the person I had the original deal with and explain the situation. If everything being written is truthful then your 1 argument that you have is Aga didn't contact you to explain the situation and that is what I would be pissed about. That part is fucked up. But maybe he is not in sales and is afraid to tell you the truth and his way of handling it is to avoid you. He may be a pussy but he is just trying to get the best deal for himself.

So, slavick did nothing wrong, Aga did nothing wrong except for being a pussy and not being upfront with you. Its just business.

People in the biz thinks that everyone is friends with 1 another. Thats complete bullshit. We all have few people that we have met that are true friends but this is business..

And BTW--my company and I have done quite a few 6 digit and higher domain deals with both Evan and Slavick and they have been a pleasure to deal with...

O MARINA · 05-26-2005, 08:10 AM

I think you're wrong to post about this, before you discussed it with Slavik.
FYI he is out of town

Lord Aga · 05-26-2005, 08:49 AM

Dombuyer,

Did you send an escrow agreement to me before I agreed to sell the domain to you?

Did you wire money to Escrow.com before I agreed to sell the domain to you?

Did I say on more than one occasion that I had not made up my mind whether to sell to you or not.. and that in 2 hours I would be leaving the country for a couple of days. Id make a decision when I got back? (This was 3am my time)

Would you have it? nah.

You pushed too hard.. and on reflection I felt like I was getting fucked.

So I pulled out. Simple as that

dirtydesignz · 05-26-2005, 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Aga

Dombuyer,

Did you send an escrow agreement to me before I agreed to sell the domain to you?

Did you wire money to Escrow.com before I agreed to sell the domain to you?

Did I say on more than one occasion that I had not made up my mind whether to sell to you or not.. and that in 2 hours I would be leaving the country for a couple of days. Id make a decision when I got back? (This was 3am my time)

Would you have it? nah.

You pushed too hard.. and on reflection I felt like I was getting fucked.

So I pulled out. Simple as that

"you have my word I own Netpond.com so you could always come and slag me off on my own board! lol.. hey.. would love for you to pop your head in every now and again.. its where webfather broke his teeth!"

That doesn't sound like you were pressured

It sounds like you agreed to a deal.

webair · 05-26-2005, 10:19 AM

I always try to keep business and friendship out of the same equation. I know sometimes it's inevitable, but in this case you learned a good lesson the hard way. I for one have know Slavik for 9-10 years now, and have always found him to be a stand up guy. If he says he did not know I believe him. Regardless, your issues is with the seller not Slavik. If you feel that strongly about the name and the situation you should seek legal action. After all you had a binding contract on the deal go after it that way. I do not necessarily agree that judgment with regards to Slavik?s involvement is warranted here, and you seem to be burning that bridge unnecessarily. He's a business man who saw an opportunity and took it. As unfortunate as it is, your only recourse at this point (IMHO) is to go after it legally or move on and learn a lesson from the situation.

evanmorgan · 05-26-2005, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DomBuyer

I asked him if he knew and he said "No".

I said "Now you know, and I want the domain I contracted to buy back"

Silence.

To me, that's the same as knowing.

yeah see, im not sure there is a reaon in the world why slavik should sell you a domain for 25k, which he effectively paid 75k for. However, that is very bad business practise by both partys

evan

SmokeyTheBear · 05-26-2005, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by webair

I always try to keep business and friendship out of the same equation. I know sometimes it's inevitable, but in this case you learned a good lesson the hard way. I for one have know Slavik for 9-10 years now, and have always found him to be a stand up guy. If he says he did not know I believe him. Regardless, your issues is with the seller not Slavik. If you feel that strongly about the name and the situation you should seek legal action. After all you had a binding contract on the deal go after it that way. I do not necessarily agree that judgment with regards to Slavik?s involvement is warranted here, and you seem to be burning that bridge unnecessarily. He's a business man who saw an opportunity and took it. As unfortunate as it is, your only recourse at this point (IMHO) is to go after it legally or move on and learn a lesson from the situation.

Good point..

If walmart gave me an exclusive deal to sell porn site memberships in wal-mart , and they told me that they already had agreed to sell it to "playboy" but they were going to reneg on the deal . I wouldn't care 2 squats about"playboy's" broken deal..

furthermore playboy would have no beef with me , only with wal-mart..

IF i had discussed the deal with playboy or had close personal ties to playboy , it would be bad "ethics" , but that doesnt seem to be the case here.

joshuawk · 05-26-2005, 11:01 AM

im not a playa, i just crush a lot

is what this thread should be called

DeanCapture · 05-26-2005, 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirtydesignz

"you have my word I own Netpond.com so you could always come and slag me off on my own board! lol.. hey.. would love for you to pop your head in every now and again.. its where webfather broke his teeth!"

That doesn't sound like you were pressured

It sounds like you agreed to a deal.

Yea - that's my take on this too

Sometimes you good folks have to remember that your doing business in the "Adult Industry". And in the Adult Industry...some people would rather shit on you than take an ethical approach to doing business. Once you realize this - you'll be much better off

RogerV · 05-26-2005, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DomBuyer

I'm not going to spend the whole night rehashing what is in the thread. I'm going to bed.

My post is a warning to people that there are those that operate on their word and those that don't. Amongst the people that I do business with, it's simply unheard of to say "yes" to an escrow and agree and then default to sell to someone else.

I am particularly disappointed in Slavik. I gave him ample opportunity to explain his case to me and make good. He refused. His silence has spoken. I'm sorry that I won't be able to do business with him again.

For those of you who think "no harm no foul" please don't do business with me either.

Welcome to the adult business world where there are sharks and theives everywhere.
I can give you a 100 ways I got fucked in this industry till I learned to watch my back and put everything on paper.

From what I read slavik has nothing to do with your deal. but I can understand why you would be upset with AGA.

I have always been a straight shooter have I made more money because of it? Hell NO!!!
I have learned there is no loyalty in this business> but I can sleep at nite knowing I have never fucked anyone.

GonZo · 05-26-2005, 12:27 PM

Free The Cybersquatters!!!

JFK · 05-26-2005, 12:47 PM

One fitty deals gone bad

05-25-2005, 09:01 PM	#101
aflex Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: New Jersey - adaptweb at gmail.com Posts: 3,127	DomBuyer, it could have been a larger transaction. Write this one off a lesson learned (however way you take it). I agree with KRL, a deal isn't done until the check is cleared. Excuse my ignorance to the domain biz, but what makes DOWLOADS.COM worth 25k? type-ins? __________________ self made mothafucka. buying premium domains & developed sites with revenue/traffic -> adaptweb at gmail.com

05-25-2005, 09:07 PM	#102
brand0n been very busy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: the queen city Posts: 26,983	great domain for a great price. slavik is pretty slick man, he dont miss much. __________________ want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

05-25-2005, 09:10 PM	#103
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	Seriously, Slavik shouldn't even be part of this nonsense. Your beef lies elsewhere, and then not even there since you admit it was completely within his rights to cancel the transaction. Move on. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

05-25-2005, 09:52 PM	#106
GonZo Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Atlanta,Ga. Posts: 3,180	More importantly... Did Slavdogg ever get his ice wine? FREE THE ICE WINE... and FREE THE hahahaha CONFUCY!!! __________________ Assclown Bob Rice wants to BANG your credit card! "I am putting the bastards of this world on notice; greed and corruption will always be met with "a voice made of ink and rage." All the information above is my personal opinion.

05-25-2005, 10:02 PM	#107
beemk CLICK HERE Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 20,829	i dont see how slavik did anything wrong __________________ I host with Vacares

05-25-2005, 09:30 PM	#105
Peaches Old broad Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Away Posts: 13,933	Who's to say Slavik's even ignoring you? He might have left the house, gone to dinner, it's a holiday weekend and he might have left early. Reaming someone because they are "silent" just doesn't make logical sense. And what is the answer you want from him? Out of all three of you he's the one with the least knowledge of anything you and Aga supposedly worked out. If he cuts you a deal, great, but if he doesn't, he's done NOTHING wrong.

05-25-2005, 11:33 PM	#110
pradaboy sell me your banners Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: on the tubes Posts: 12,931	a deal is a deal is a deal... If Slavik knew about your deal with Aga and then pursued the domain knowing you would be left with nothing then I would agree that he did not handle fair and he should be blamed for having bad business techniques. However there is a possibility that he didn't know and in that case he can't be blamed. After all I think it's Aga who should get the shitload for backing out of an agreed deal. If I were you I'd sling some mud on NetPond __________________ Media Buyer - Sell me your traffic! FREE to register domains... Better than 99% of the crap sold here!

05-26-2005, 12:31 AM	#111
Anthony Keyboard Warrior Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: One of the outer rings of Hell Posts: 9,653	I guess I can see in this thread who know how to make money, and those who are clueless.

05-26-2005, 01:50 AM	#113
Lord Aga Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 479	Hello Look.. Dombuyer did not get the domain because he uses bully boy tactics in order to get domains for a fraction of what they are worth. Things like sending off escrow agreements and saying he has already sent $$ to escrow.com before a deal has even been agreed on. Also making deadlines or no deal.. I dont need the $$ and dont suffer bullies.. so he lost out. I`d post the emails and ICQs we exchanged on here.. showing the but that would be uncool, an invasion of privacy and maybe even illegal. Oh.. and Slavics away for a week in Vegas.. But I bet Dombuyer knew that ;) BTW.. promote http://www.netpondcash.. we have uniques sites like http://aga.uncovered.com and http://dogging.uncovered.com lol

05-26-2005, 02:03 AM	#114
Manowar jellyfish Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 71,528	Now that's scummy.

05-26-2005, 02:07 AM	#115
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	i've experiuenced the same lack of any profesional conduct with meat from netpond. sad __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

05-26-2005, 02:15 AM	#116
ADL Colin Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Tube Titans, USA Posts: 11,929	I'm now selling memberships to the Slavik Fan Club for $100. And I'm not just the president, I'm a member. __________________ Adult Date Link - $50 PPS starting NOW! -- good and JUICY! skype = "adultdatelink"

05-26-2005, 02:27 AM	#117
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,409	Fucked up shit... But this is definately a hard call if Slav truely didn't know of the escrow... On a domain over $999.99, it should be the first question asked, "Are you in escrow? Have you recently talked to anyone else? Then ask if anyone is talking to netpond..." If not, proceed. If so, tell them to go to the original buyer. This brand of working together meens that you will make more money and have a good relationship with your competitors.

05-26-2005, 02:28 AM	#118
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,409	Is it just me or is Netpond.com so - like, 2003?

05-26-2005, 03:34 AM	#120
polish_aristocrat Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 40,377	I agree with DB - Escrow is Escrow, it's very unfair to reverse it, but now we have to listen to Slavik's side too ( I havent read the thread yet, so not sure if he already replied ) __________________ I don't use ICQ anymore.

05-26-2005, 03:35 AM	#121
sonofsam Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 18,638	Aga has replied... http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=472368 __________________ I like turtles.

05-26-2005, 04:08 AM	#123
Taboo Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: I'd rather be networking than not working. Posts: 3,700	always plenty of drama when you play the domain game. not surprised at all. but I just assumed all the major domain players were attending the big domain summit(s) this week. When I was reading this thread I assumed Slavik was attending one of them. both events just happen to be competing for the same weekend: http://www.domainroundtable.com - Seattle May 25-27 http://www.targetedtraffic.com - Las Vegas May 24-27 I couldn't decide which one to go to...so I didn't pick either. Maybe I'll start my own someday. Coming 2006: DomainSummit.com

05-26-2005, 04:19 AM	#124
Taboo Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: I'd rather be networking than not working. Posts: 3,700	I learned something very important in this thread. that all these domains are gone: freedowloads.com,freegamedownloads.com,freemusicdo wnloads.com,freedownloads.com,downlods.com,freedow nlods.com,downlod.com,freedownlod.com,donlaod.com, freedownlaod.com,freedownlaods.com,donwload.com,fr eedonwload.com,donwloads.com,freedonwloads.com,dow nlode.com,downlodes.com,downloader.com,downloder.c om ... oh yeah... and getting a contract is always necessary. btw, DomBuyer... I was so pissed at you yesterday... so very pissed that I might start a new thread... ... you owned almost every "font" domain I wanted to register or buy. But fortunately for me, you left one open so I reg'd it.. now I own the singular and you own the plural which is fine by me... the silver lining for you is that you're going to get some of my traffic when I launch my service later this year... at least my traffic will be going to someone I know.

05-26-2005, 04:45 AM	#125
Rui web Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: On icq: 85-483-060 Posts: 9,533	Slavik did nothing wrong...move along

05-26-2005, 05:07 AM	#126
DomBuyer Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Amalfi Coast Posts: 2,595	I'm not crying over spilt milk. You don't stay in the domain business for as long as I have without realizing it's a messy business. Difference is, I choose to deal with people who keep their word and operate in good faith, and I am always surprised when large players will sully their rep for an extra $10k. It's very short-sighted. It's amazing how many names come to me through ongoing relationships, so I never let a few grand get in the way of a good relationship, and therefore am surprised when people will destroy a relationship for a couple of grand. I ain't perfect, and I've had lots of messy scrapes in the business myself, but I've learned that on a very practical level, if you keep your word, you make more money in the long run. If you don't keep your word, I don't do business with you, and I don't give a shit who you are. Both these guys warned me against posting, which is exactly why I decided to do it.

05-26-2005, 05:38 AM	#127
IPK Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 4,209	Bottom Line: 1. You may have had a contract with Aga. 2. You did not have a contract with Slavik. 3. Dragging Slavik's name through the mud in this situation is just low. __________________ DomainerResource.com strategies for monetizing and investing in domain names...

05-26-2005, 05:44 AM	#129
who So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: ICQ #23642053 Posts: 19,593	I sail cheapicqs.com

05-26-2005, 08:09 AM	#139
howard Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: phila Posts: 1,827	Dom Buyer--I get your point but biz is biz. Its about money and relationships. Aga obviously has a realtionship with Slavik and not you. He found out he could get more money from a person he has relationship with and he probably figures he will need slavick more in the future than he will need you. It may be cold but its business. Thats how things work. I've sold a ton of domains and they all go to the highest bidder. If I do a deal, then i get a higher offer I would go back to the person I had the original deal with and explain the situation. If everything being written is truthful then your 1 argument that you have is Aga didn't contact you to explain the situation and that is what I would be pissed about. That part is fucked up. But maybe he is not in sales and is afraid to tell you the truth and his way of handling it is to avoid you. He may be a pussy but he is just trying to get the best deal for himself. So, slavick did nothing wrong, Aga did nothing wrong except for being a pussy and not being upfront with you. Its just business. People in the biz thinks that everyone is friends with 1 another. Thats complete bullshit. We all have few people that we have met that are true friends but this is business.. And BTW--my company and I have done quite a few 6 digit and higher domain deals with both Evan and Slavick and they have been a pleasure to deal with... __________________ perkissmedia.com [email protected] 318621803 perkymon993 Skype

05-26-2005, 08:10 AM	#140
O MARINA I'm clockin' ya, Versace shade watchin' ya Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: internet Posts: 13,795	I think you're wrong to post about this, before you discussed it with Slavik. FYI he is out of town

05-26-2005, 08:49 AM	#141
Lord Aga Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 479	Dombuyer, Did you send an escrow agreement to me before I agreed to sell the domain to you? Did you wire money to Escrow.com before I agreed to sell the domain to you? Did I say on more than one occasion that I had not made up my mind whether to sell to you or not.. and that in 2 hours I would be leaving the country for a couple of days. Id make a decision when I got back? (This was 3am my time) Would you have it? nah. You pushed too hard.. and on reflection I felt like I was getting fucked. So I pulled out. Simple as that

05-26-2005, 10:19 AM	#143
webair Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: NYC, NY Posts: 8,531	I always try to keep business and friendship out of the same equation. I know sometimes it's inevitable, but in this case you learned a good lesson the hard way. I for one have know Slavik for 9-10 years now, and have always found him to be a stand up guy. If he says he did not know I believe him. Regardless, your issues is with the seller not Slavik. If you feel that strongly about the name and the situation you should seek legal action. After all you had a binding contract on the deal go after it that way. I do not necessarily agree that judgment with regards to Slavik?s involvement is warranted here, and you seem to be burning that bridge unnecessarily. He's a business man who saw an opportunity and took it. As unfortunate as it is, your only recourse at this point (IMHO) is to go after it legally or move on and learn a lesson from the situation. __________________ ~ Webair Dedicated Cloud Servers™ ~ WEBAIR VSYS™ Virtual Hosting Platform ~ Superior CDN Network ~ ~ Managed Dedicated hosting Specialists ~ DISCOUNT DOMAIN NAMES! ~ WEBAIR FUSION IO MANAGED CLOUD SERVERS! ~ *ICQ:* 243116321 - *TWITTER* - @WEBAIRINC - E-Mail: [email protected]

05-26-2005, 11:01 AM	#146
joshuawk Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: my moms house Posts: 1,092	im not a playa, i just crush a lot is what this thread should be called __________________ i love GW

05-26-2005, 12:27 PM	#149
GonZo Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Atlanta,Ga. Posts: 3,180	Free The Cybersquatters!!! __________________ Assclown Bob Rice wants to BANG your credit card! "I am putting the bastards of this world on notice; greed and corruption will always be met with "a voice made of ink and rage." All the information above is my personal opinion.

05-26-2005, 12:47 PM	#150
JFK FUBAR the ORIGINATOR Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: FUBARLAND Posts: 67,374	One fitty deals gone bad __________________ FUBAR Webmasters - The FUBAR Times - FUBAR Webmasters Mobile - FUBARTV.XXX For promo opps contact jfk at fubarwebmasters dot com