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Funky Bastard · 05-24-2005, 09:40 PM

Put a different country in your whois where us law's dont apply end of story!

ytcracker · 05-24-2005, 09:41 PM

the united states owns everything

StickyGreen · 05-24-2005, 09:41 PM

for some reason i think the doj is capable of finding out who owns each site regardless...

Illicit · 05-24-2005, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Funky Bastard

Put a different country in your whois where us law's dont apply end of story!

yup thats it ! why didnt anyone think of this before ! you are brilliant !

kernelpanic · 05-24-2005, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Funky Bastard

Put a different country in your whois where us law's dont apply end of story!

[~]# traceroute your-domain.com

OH SHIT YOU'RE HOSTED IN USA

GO DIRECTLY TO JAIL DO NOT PASS GO DO NOT COLLECT $35 + 60%

AaronM · 05-24-2005, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Funky Bastard

Put a different country in your whois where us law's dont apply end of story!

Are you really this fucking stupid?

Advice like this is why so many people have the potential to get seriously ass fucked.

webgurl · 05-24-2005, 09:43 PM

there's your solution everybody !

*sigh*

xclusive · 05-24-2005, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Are you really this fucking stupid?

It's Kyle what do you think?

Funky Bastard · 05-24-2005, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen

for some reason i think the doj is capable of finding out who owns each site regardless...

Well if you dont have anything illegal on the site or anything in question then I think they wont even go tru the trouble to check.

AaronM · 05-24-2005, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by xclusive

It's Kyle what do you think?

I think he's an idiot.

Never paid any attention to his posting before but as many of you know...I do read the 2257 threads.

Illicit · 05-24-2005, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Funky Bastard

Well if you dont have anything illegal on the site or anything in question then I think they wont even go tru the trouble to check.

keep thinking that. I cant wait to see you go to jail

xclusive · 05-24-2005, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

I think he's an idiot.

Never paid any attention to his posting before but as many of you know...I do read the 2257 threads.

It's very important to read those threads. Thesad part is a lot of people are talking about it with what they have heard from others second hand without actually reading the law. That can make for some dangerous situations.

Funky Bastard · 05-24-2005, 09:54 PM

Well if people are leaveing adult for 2257 or shuting down your tgp you got to be fucking stupid. I am just suggesting something that will help you by some time It's relly the big guy's that will suffer but I am pretty sure most of them will just move outside the us so it dont matter think about it fuck these law's Their not going to throw you in jail for not haveing 2257 on your site get a fucking life!

AaronM · 05-24-2005, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by xclusive

It's very important to read those threads. Thesad part is a lot of people are talking about it with what they have heard from others second hand without actually reading the law. That can make for some dangerous situations.

Yep. It's been that way for years.

And these new regs shoot off in many different directions and cross reference to a lot of other regs and so forth.

It's time for people to stop fucking around and pony up some cash for a lawyer who specializes in this stuff.

If your chosen attorney is not a member of the First Amendment Lawyers Association then I would strongly consider consulting with an attorney who is from here on out.

I'm not going to mention who but I was speaking with a program owner today and I asked who their attorney was. He told me it is Eric M. Bernstien. Knowing how Eric is and that he is not a member of the F.A.L.A., I went directly to this persons web sites and looked up their 2257 pages. Sure as shit, they were non-compliant.

So, I informed the guy of what needed to be done and suggested he contact J.D. Obenberger at www.xxxlaw.net to cover his ass.

I should send Eric a bill for me fixing this for his client.

AaronM · 05-24-2005, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Funky Bastard

Well if people are leaveing adult for 2257 or shuting down your tgp you got to be fucking stupid. I am just suggesting something that will help you by some time It's relly the big guy's that will suffer but I am pretty sure most of them will just move outside the us so it dont matter think about it fuck these law's Their not going to throw you in jail for not haveing 2257 on your site get a fucking life!

There's another way to look at this situation.

If you read the new regs, the DOJ specifically mentions 2 different cases. One of those cases is very well known, the other is not. Keeping this in mind as possible pattern....The DOJ could easily go after many lesser known people/companies who do not have the financial backing for a long court battle. This could allow them to win multiple cases that set more precedent in their favor...THEN they could go after the bigger fish.

xclusive · 05-24-2005, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Yep. It's been that way for years.

And these new regs shoot off in many different directions and cross reference to a lot of other regs and so forth.

It's time for people to stop fucking around and pony up some cash for a lawyer who specializes in this stuff.

If your chosen attorney is not a member of the First Amendment Lawyers Association then I would strongly consider consulting with an attorney who is from here on out.

I'm not going to mention who but I was speaking with a program owner today and I asked who their attorney was. He told me it is Eric M. Bernstien. Knowing how Eric is and that he is not a member of the F.A.L.A., I went directly to this persons web sites and looked up their 2257 pages. Sure as shit, they were non-compliant.

So, I informed the guy of what needed to be done and suggested he contact J.D. Obenberger at www.xxxlaw.net to cover his ass.

I should send Eric a bill for me fixing this for his client.

Thanks for that link i'll check it out I have a lawyer and i've already sent him the stuff to read and I have a meeting with him on friday but i'll probably get an expert as well as my current lawyer handles my general stuff and i'd rather spend a little money now getting things in order than too pay for it down the line.

AaronM · 05-24-2005, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by xclusive

Thanks for that link i'll check it out I have a lawyer and i've already sent him the stuff to read and I have a meeting with him on friday but i'll probably get an expert as well as my current lawyer handles my general stuff and i'd rather spend a little money now getting things in order than too pay for it down the line.

Very smart move. I wish more people would take it that seriously instead of thinking that their general law attorney can handle this just fine.

I have a local I.P. attorney that I use for copyright and such issues but when it comes to 2257, I know it's not his specialty so I go to the people who can handle it best.

xclusive · 05-24-2005, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

There's another way to look at this situation.

If you read the new regs, the DOJ specifically mentions 2 different cases. One of those cases is very well known, the other is not. Keeping this in mind as possible pattern....The DOJ could easily go after many lesser known people/companies who do not have the financial backing for a long court battle. This could allow them to win multiple cases that set more precedent in their favor...THEN they could go after the bigger fish.

Exactly, People don't understand how important precedent is in our court system. It's not going to totally kill you but most judges hate going against the rulings of other. That said if there are 5 cases with 5 judges with all the same outcomes that's going to be hard to overcome.

xclusive · 05-24-2005, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Very smart move. I wish more people would take it that seriously instead of thinking that their general law attorney can handle this just fine.

I have a local I.P. attorney that I use for copyright and such issues but when it comes to 2257, I know it's not his specialty so I go to the people who can handle it best.

I am in this business for the long haul and I have been preparing for the worst for the last year or so. Now that I can actually wrap my hands around the complete law I can set myself up for the future. Here is a good example for those who are not in on the lawyer lingo.

Lets say you are having a heart attack and you go to the emergency room. There are a few doctors there and there is one that is a heart surgeon but he will cost 5 times as much as the general practice doctor. Do you save on the money and try and go for the general practice or go for what you know has the best chance of saving your ass? You would go for the heart specialist and you shouldn't skimp on your lawyer if you are serious about business.

AaronM · 05-24-2005, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by xclusive

I am in this business for the long haul and I have been preparing for the worst for the last year or so. Now that I can actually wrap my hands around the complete law I can set myself up for the future. Here is a good example for those who are not in on the lawyer lingo.

Lets say you are having a heart attack and you go to the emergency room. There are a few doctors there and there is one that is a heart surgeon but he will cost 5 times as much as the general practice doctor. Do you save on the money and try and go for the general practice or go for what you know has the best chance of saving your ass? You would go for the heart specialist and you shouldn't skimp on your lawyer if you are serious about business.

Interesting analogy. Can't say that I disagree with it either.

DWB · 05-24-2005, 11:00 PM

We also assume they are going to know exactly how to track us and have an unlimited budget to do so. They very well may just look at the whois on a site and go from there. We don't know. They may be total retards about it.

Webby · 05-24-2005, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Funky Bastard

Put a different country in your whois where us law's dont apply end of story!

Whois is junk :-)

Basically.. if you are a US citizen or a person who is living within US territory, you got your legs wide open to compliance with 2257 and any other laws of that country.

The only solution is to quit the US and have hosting in one or more other countries more suitable for adult webmasters. In this instance 2257 is irrelevant.

Webby · 05-24-2005, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

There's another way to look at this situation.

If you read the new regs, the DOJ specifically mentions 2 different cases. One of those cases is very well known, the other is not. Keeping this in mind as possible pattern....The DOJ could easily go after many lesser known people/companies who do not have the financial backing for a long court battle. This could allow them to win multiple cases that set more precedent in their favor...THEN they could go after the bigger fish.

Agree Aaron! It nice and easy to sample some small fry who will stuff their hands in the air and set a precedent - they can then fry some bigger fish...

It's a common practice in other areas.

YankBro · 05-25-2005, 10:15 AM

If you falsify your domain info then you will be flirting with RICO law violations as well as 2257 charges. Ultimately we all charge money for our services through a traceable source and that will be the place where the feds met up with the dumb-asses. The feds could just sit on a TGP site for weeks and trace every affiliate banner or link trade until the house of cards come tumbling down.

It won't take long until the word gets on places like GFY that a tgp or free site is being investigated which will result in traffic suicide for the site almost instantly. They will find you if they want you, that you can be sure of.

Manowar · 05-25-2005, 10:27 AM

kak azn quality advice

StickyGreen · 05-25-2005, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by Funky Bastard
Well if you dont have anything illegal on the site or anything in question then I think they wont even go tru the trouble to check.

keep thinking that. I cant wait to see you go to jail

/\ see this is the shit i dont fucken understand. why would you be put in jail if your site doesn't have anything explicit or illegal? that doesnt make any damn sense lol.

Dirty Dane · 05-25-2005, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

There's another way to look at this situation.

If you read the new regs, the DOJ specifically mentions 2 different cases. One of those cases is very well known, the other is not. Keeping this in mind as possible pattern....The DOJ could easily go after many lesser known people/companies who do not have the financial backing for a long court battle. This could allow them to win multiple cases that set more precedent in their favor...THEN they could go after the bigger fish.

Unfortunately you are so very absolute indeed true about this. But its really worrying that legal systems should be based on how rich you are... and not 100% justice. And in this case it would also be about politics - not loosing faith and face.

Back to the subject; I rather suggest making alliances with foreign webmasters, that you really trust. I already did it, not because of law issues, but it makes it all easier and more profitable, and most importantly; it works.

wjxxx · 05-25-2005, 10:47 AM

excellent idea Funky

Connor · 05-25-2005, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

I'm not going to mention who but I was speaking with a program owner today and I asked who their attorney was. He told me it is Eric M. Bernstien. Knowing how Eric is and that he is not a member of the F.A.L.A., I went directly to this persons web sites and looked up their 2257 pages. Sure as shit, they were non-compliant.

So, I informed the guy of what needed to be done and suggested he contact J.D. Obenberger at www.xxxlaw.net to cover his ass.

I should send Eric a bill for me fixing this for his client.

AaronM... that name sounds familair. Aren't you the guy who was all pissed off at Bernstein because you felt he slighted you on some seminar panel? Obenberger is a great attorney, and a person won't go wrong there, I agree. But judging Bernstein because one of his client's sites in non-compliant is silly. I was speaking with Obenberger just yesterday and he told me that he's often frustrated that his clients don't always implement his advice. So your example is silly Aaron. I know you're upset about that seminar, but man, that was like a year ago.

AaronM · 05-25-2005, 11:26 AM

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AaronM... that name sounds familair. Aren't you the guy who was all pissed off at Bernstein because you felt he slighted you on some seminar panel? Obenberger is a great attorney, and a person won't go wrong there, I agree. But judging Bernstein because one of his client's sites in non-compliant is silly. I was speaking with Obenberger just yesterday and he told me that he's often frustrated that his clients don't always implement his advice. So your example is silly Aaron. I know you're upset about that seminar, but man, that was like a year ago.

And until Eric gives me the apology that he promised LAJ he would do...I will continue to be upset with him.

A simple apology when you fuck up can go a long way with me. He couldn't respect me on the panel, he couldn't show LAJ respect by following through with his promise, and he has yet to show me the respect by apologising.

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05-25-2005, 10:31 AM	#26
StickyGreen . Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 13,076	Originally Posted by Funky Bastard Well if you dont have anything illegal on the site or anything in question then I think they wont even go tru the trouble to check. keep thinking that. I cant wait to see you go to jail /\ see this is the shit i dont fucken understand. why would you be put in jail if your site doesn't have anything explicit or illegal? that doesnt make any damn sense lol. __________________ Refer Cam Girls and Take Home 10% of Everything They Make For Life

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webgurl Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Clouds with Carebears Posts: 7,954	there's your solution everybody ! sigh

05-24-2005, 09:54 PM	#13
Funky Bastard So Fucking Banned Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 2,544	Well if people are leaveing adult for 2257 or shuting down your tgp you got to be fucking stupid. I am just suggesting something that will help you by some time It's relly the big guy's that will suffer but I am pretty sure most of them will just move outside the us so it dont matter think about it fuck these law's Their not going to throw you in jail for not haveing 2257 on your site get a fucking life!

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DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	We also assume they are going to know exactly how to track us and have an unlimited budget to do so. They very well may just look at the whois on a site and go from there. We don't know. They may be total retards about it.

05-25-2005, 10:15 AM	#24
YankBro Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 81	If you falsify your domain info then you will be flirting with RICO law violations as well as 2257 charges. Ultimately we all charge money for our services through a traceable source and that will be the place where the feds met up with the dumb-asses. The feds could just sit on a TGP site for weeks and trace every affiliate banner or link trade until the house of cards come tumbling down. It won't take long until the word gets on places like GFY that a tgp or free site is being investigated which will result in traffic suicide for the site almost instantly. They will find you if they want you, that you can be sure of.

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Manowar jellyfish Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 71,528	kak azn quality advice

05-25-2005, 10:47 AM	#28
wjxxx So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,448	excellent idea Funky