Money isn't everything. - GoFuckYourself.com

goBigtime · 05-17-2005, 03:54 AM

If you believe that....prove it.

swedguy · 05-17-2005, 03:55 AM

Why prove it?

I know that it isn't and that's good enough for me

hova · 05-17-2005, 03:56 AM

It's not everything, but if you don't have it it sure feels like it's everything

goBigtime · 05-17-2005, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by hova

It's not everything, but if you don't have it it sure feels like it's everything

...and if you do, you can afford the luxury to stop an contemplate it.

To me, that would reinforce the idea that money is "everything".

goBigtime · 05-17-2005, 04:17 AM

So... what can you have without money?

justsexxx · 05-17-2005, 04:19 AM

When you do believe money is everything, it already proves different. Of course money is important, but health, happiness, and friendships are more important IMO.

justsexxx · 05-17-2005, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by goBigtime

So... what can you have without money?

Health, happiness and friendship(s)

Video-Post · 05-17-2005, 04:23 AM

I still like to revel in it.

TheKink · 05-17-2005, 04:30 AM

Money, like everything else, is what you make it.

goBigtime · 05-17-2005, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by justsexxx

Health, happiness and friendship(s)

Health: Your good health is being attacked from so many angles these days it's sick. Unfortunately, your ill health is good business to many companies who would (and do) make sure that as many people as possible are constantly in varying degrees of poor health. Also, healthcare and mainstream/western medicine these days is designed to maximize profit... which might not always mean the best treatment plan for you - insurance or not.

You would really have to go to some pretty great lengths to truely have optimial health for your age these days -- and you can bet that will cost you a pretty penny.

Besides that, have you ever seen a person who has no money? They usually don't look very healthy.

Happiness: Considering the statements above & below, how could you be happy without money? I've seen a lot of people with no money... they usually aren't very happy.

Friendships: Friendships? Without money, I suppose you could build strong friendships with other people living down at the river who smell as much like ass as you would. Since, having no money, you probably wouldn't have bathed in awhile. But would those be true friends? or friends of circumstance? And regardless of the last time your ass was washed, would any of your friends not sell you out for a certain sum of money given the opportunity?

Cassie · 05-17-2005, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by justsexxx

Health, happiness and friendship(s)

if you get sick and don't have money to pay for health insurance or doctors visits, then you are screwed and ultimately become unhappy due to your illness. very few people will stick around (only true friends) when a person is really sick.

so the bottom line here is that money creates a trickle down effect which assists with health, happiness and friendships. if you think otherwise, you're clueless.

pimplink · 05-17-2005, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by goBigtime

Friendships: Friendships? Without money, I suppose you could build strong friendships with other people living down at the river who smell as much like ass as you would. Since, having no money, you probably wouldn't have bathed in awhile. But would those be true friends? or friends of circumstance? And regardless of the last time your ass was washed, would any of your friends not sell you out for a certain sum of money given the opportunity?

why do you give extreme examples?
completely haing no money is extreme, and different than just being poor

and then again, would you want to make $100k per month and spending the saturday evenings on GFY because you have no friends?

notjoe · 05-17-2005, 04:45 AM

Someone once told me something and it was very sound so i thought i would repeat it...

Use money to live but dont live for money

pimplink · 05-17-2005, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Cassie

very few people will stick around (only true friends) when a person is really sick.

thats what matters.. true friends

evanmorgan · 05-17-2005, 04:51 AM

if someone asked you to chose between your money or

1) Friends
2) Family
3) Health

I know i wouldnt chose money over any of those....

That being said, if someone offered me a million pounds to cut my thumb off, or die a year earlier i probably would take it :D

Evan

goBigtime · 05-17-2005, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Cassie

very few people will stick around (only true friends) when a person is really sick.

Very true.

StuartD · 05-17-2005, 04:51 AM

How is money supposed to be everything? Money is a means to get everything... that's like saying that writing is a book. Writing can lead to a book, it doesn't mean that it IS a book.

What if you work for room and board while going to school? Well then, you bypass the whole money situation entirely don't you? You're getting food... you're getting shelther, you're even doing some work but there's no money in the equation. There's a "value" but no money.
Therefore you're getting something, you're doing something and there's no money... conclusion? It's not EVERYTHING.

TheKink · 05-17-2005, 04:53 AM

Money = Problems, not happiness

pimplink · 05-17-2005, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by notjoe

Use money to live but dont live for money

unfortunately almost everyone on this board lives for money...

they want to become the next Lensman, Hun, Sleazy, whoever

instead of being happy to be making 5 times more than the guy working in McDonalds, they are unhappy because they make 50 times less than TheHun... LOL

goBigtime · 05-17-2005, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by pimplink

why do you give extreme examples?
completely haing no money is extreme, and different than just being poor

Because life is extreme.

And for this exercise, you have either 0 money or as much as you want.

pimplink · 05-17-2005, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by evanmorgan

That being said, if someone offered me a million pounds to cut my thumb off, probably would take it :D

idiot....

swedguy · 05-17-2005, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by goBigtime

So... what can you have without money?

A rich life

Rich doesn't have to mean a lot of money.

notjoe · 05-17-2005, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD

How is money supposed to be everything? Money is a means to get everything... that's like saying that writing is a book. Writing can lead to a book, it doesn't mean that it IS a book.

What if you work for room and board while going to school? Well then, you bypass the whole money situation entirely don't you? You're getting food... you're getting shelther, you're even doing some work but there's no money in the equation. There's a "value" but no money.
Therefore you're getting something, you're doing something and there's no money... conclusion? It's not EVERYTHING.

That is completely wrong. First thing people do to anything (even bartering) is attach a monetary value.

What is more likely is the person saying this room and board would go for X amount of dollars so why dont you work for me for X amount of hours and we'll call it even...

I know if i were to barter content for design work (for example) i would try to get a design of equal value to the content i was licensing the person..

MONEY IS EVERYTHING

It's just that some people tend to put other priorities ahead of it and not let it consume them, like fathers who turn down job promotions because it wouldnt leave them with enough time for family.

TheKink · 05-17-2005, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by swedguy

A rich life

Rich doesn't have to mean a lot of money.

In these days, Rich does mean money, Lucky is for good true friends and health

goBigtime · 05-17-2005, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by notjoe

Someone once told me something and it was very sound so i thought i would repeat it...

Use money to live but dont live for money

Yeah I've heard something like that too.

But again, that enforces the idea that zero money = zero life, and also suggests that you should only make enough money to get yourself (and your family?) by.

notjoe · 05-17-2005, 05:01 AM

When its time for me to buy a house i think i'll tell the bank "Money isnt everything, why dont i clean your offices instead of paying you back" and see how it goes over.

swedguy · 05-17-2005, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by TheKink

Money = Problems, not happiness

Not necessarily. If you want it to be a problem, you can make it a problem.

Show off that you have a lot of money, then it's bound to become a problem for you.

StuartD · 05-17-2005, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by notjoe

That is completely wrong. First thing people do to anything (even bartering) is attach a monetary value.

What is more likely is the person saying this room and board would go for X amount of dollars so why dont you work for me for X amount of hours and we'll call it even...

I know if i were to barter content for design work (for example) i would try to get a design of equal value to the content i was licensing the person..

MONEY IS EVERYTHING

It's just that some people tend to put other priorities ahead of it and not let it consume them, like fathers who turn down job promotions because it wouldnt leave them with enough time for family.

I've lived just fine without seeing a dollar... lasted for a couple years. Yes, things I did or got had a monetary value, but that doesn't mean that it had anything to do with money.

For your argument to work, you have to say that "value is everything", not money.

Bartering was around long before money, it had nothing to do with money but people wanted to get equal value out of their trades.

How could it have been about money if money wasn't invented yet?

justsexxx · 05-17-2005, 05:03 AM

It's actually sad you think like this. Oh well, your choice. Of course money is nice. But I prefer a "normal" amount and have a good health/friends/happiness etc, then extremely rich, and no real friends, bad health etc.

Iknow many rich ppl, who go alone on hollidays, or just visit every webmaster event. because they do not have any friends to go on holliday with...

TheKink · 05-17-2005, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by swedguy

Not necessarily. If you want it to be a problem, you can make it a problem.

Show off that you have a lot of money, then it's bound to become a problem for you.

that is a better way of putting it, if people know you have money, your a target.

goBigtime · 05-17-2005, 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD

How is money supposed to be everything? Money is a means to get everything... that's like saying that writing is a book. Writing can lead to a book, it doesn't mean that it IS a book.

Using your own analogy - without writing, there would be no book.

notjoe · 05-17-2005, 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by goBigtime

Yeah I've heard something like that too.

But again, that enforces the idea that zero money = zero life, and also suggests that you should only make enough money to get yourself (and your family?) by.

I agree with zero money = zero life, what kind of life could you lead as a homeless person who isnt able to sustain themselfs? Where would you live? what would you eat? what would you wear?

Im by no means saying you need to wear designer clothes or live in big houses but i do believe that there is a certian point that is crossed between having money and not having ANY money that makes life worth living or not...

I enjoy coming home to a warm bed, food in my belly, coffee in my cup, all of which require money...but thats just me.

StuartD · 05-17-2005, 05:07 AM

Let's consider this...

you spend $10k on the sharpest clothing you can find, and dress it up to the nines.... and go out on the town.

You hit a club and walk in, thinking you're making the best entrance ever.

You stand there for about 4 hours having never talked to a single person, sipping on your 3rd drink that you're trying to make last because you don't want to get drunk for nothing, but you're starting to pound them back a little faster and faster as you begin to feel more and more lonely.

People in rags are dancing around you, laughing and having the time of your life.... yet you lack the courage to say hi, much less grab someone you don't know and dance.

Now, you sit down at a table by yourself and feel completely useless and pathetic because you have the most expensive clothes in the room and can't make a friend to save your life.

Yup, good thing you've got all that money cause hey.... money is everything, so who needs friends?

StuartD · 05-17-2005, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by goBigtime

Using your own analogy - without writing, there would be no book.

Wrong, ever heard of a picture book?

Wow, guess writing isn't everything either then huh?

Cassie · 05-17-2005, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by justsexxx

It's actually sad you think like this. Oh well, your choice. Of course money is nice. But I prefer a "normal" amount and have a good health/friends/happiness etc, then extremely rich, and no real friends, bad health etc.

Iknow many rich ppl, who go alone on hollidays, or just visit every webmaster event. because they do not have any friends to go on holliday with...

i think it's safe to say a person like that, didn't have any real friends before he/she came into money. having money doesn't cause you grief. a person causes themselves grief.

i can tell you that having money will tell you who is real and who isn't.

2HousePlague · 05-17-2005, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by goBigtime

Health:... and you can bet that will cost you a pretty penny.

Happiness:.. I've seen a lot of people with no money... they usually aren't very happy.

Friendships: Friendships? Without money... would those be true friends? or friends of circumstance?

All are valid points.

But something is getting lost here in the phrasing of the central question.

The question is not whether it is possible to live without money -- we all agree it's not possible, and that in ALL circumstances it is better to have money than not.

The meaningful question is what is your perspective of money?

I am interested in money, but I say that anyone who believes that money is EVERYTHING is more limited in their ability to appreciate life than even the poorest person.

It should be possible to have an appreciation for money's practical value, and even to become very skilled in the acquisition of money, WITHOUT having to make a religion of it --

j-

TheKink · 05-17-2005, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by notjoe

I agree with zero money = zero life, what kind of life could you lead as a homeless person who isnt able to sustain themselfs? Where would you live? what would you eat? what would you wear?

Im by no means saying you need to wear designer clothes or live in big houses but i do believe that there is a certian point that is crossed between having money and not having ANY money that makes life worth living or not...

I enjoy coming home to a warm bed, food in my belly, coffee in my cup, all of which require money...but thats just me.

I was homeless for 6 months of my life, and as far as where would you be? there are shelters, places to take showers, have a supper, so on and so forth. BUT, when I was homeless, I never had more fun, the amount of freedom is rediculous. but all in all, still not worth it.

notjoe · 05-17-2005, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD

I've lived just fine without seeing a dollar... lasted for a couple years. Yes, things I did or got had a monetary value, but that doesn't mean that it had anything to do with money.

For your argument to work, you have to say that "value is everything", not money.

Bartering was around long before money, it had nothing to do with money but people wanted to get equal value out of their trades.

How could it have been about money if money wasn't invented yet?

Just because the dollar wasnt invented yet doesnt mean that currency didnt exist. What is the bartner system? A form of currency, the same thing as paper money, metals and other items which value is placed upon.

Now, while YOU may have been able to live off the barter system i'm still willing to bet that it was money which was sustaining you and the person you bartered with. He earned it and you payed him back...where would you have been if he was in the same situtation as yourself?

StuartD · 05-17-2005, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by 2HousePlague

The question is not whether it is possible to live without money -- we all agree it's not possible, and that in ALL circumstances it is better to have money than not.
j-

Actually, it is quite possible to live without money and is done on a regular basis by a lot of people in this world. They might not be in the greatest health for their entire life and perhaps their life would be better with money, but they're still alive.

People tend to forget that there are people living beyond the boundaries of the city inwhich they live.

goBigtime · 05-17-2005, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD

Wrong, ever heard of a picture book?

Everyone knows that a picture is worth 1000 (written) words.

swedguy · 05-17-2005, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by goBigtime

Because life is extreme.

And for this exercise, you have either 0 money or as much as you want.

Ok. I will share a thought with you that I have been contemplating over for some time.

Everything I love and need is for free, besides food.
Nature is for free. Friendship is for free. Thoughts are free.

If my place burnt down, the only thing that I would miss is my books. They have given me lots of joy.

So if someone put me out in the nature with no money, a friend, my backpack with some clothes and a tent, I would love every second of it. It would actually be a relief to get away from the city and everything that it puts on you.

swedguy · 05-17-2005, 05:13 AM

For those of you who agree that money is everything or a lot.

If you wouldn't have any money. What would you miss?

notjoe · 05-17-2005, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TheKink

I was homeless for 6 months of my life, and as far as where would you be? there are shelters, places to take showers, have a supper, so on and so forth. BUT, when I was homeless, I never had more fun, the amount of freedom is rediculous. but all in all, still not worth it.

And without money would any of those places that were able to help you out have existed? and if they didnt exist what would you have done?

My only point is that money is infact everything. Without it many services which currently exist simply wouldnt.

Which is more likely, some rich people to donate money to worthy causes or for them to donate their time to the same cause? The money ofcourse. The money could do more for a homeless shelter than the rich person could ever do buy spending time there.

TheKink · 05-17-2005, 05:15 AM

I enjoy having money, but I enjoy spending time with my son way more, if I didn't have money, I'd find a way.

goBigtime · 05-17-2005, 05:15 AM

The irony of this is, there was a time when there was no money & people thrived.

DaLord · 05-17-2005, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by goBigtime

If you believe that....prove it.

I've made a LOT of money in this business yet when I woke up one morning 2 years ago and was paralized in the right side money couldn't do shit to help me. Money is nothing but a tool and I couldn't care less about money.

kaktuz · 05-17-2005, 05:16 AM

money is in the one hand happiness
on the second hand is a killer!

decide wats better for u! it can make u happy if u know how to plan your life around it and not make money as main goal and loose life

StuartD · 05-17-2005, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by notjoe

Just because the dollar wasnt invented yet doesnt mean that currency didnt exist. What is the bartner system? A form of currency, the same thing as paper money, metals and other items which value is placed upon.

Now, while YOU may have been able to live off the barter system i'm still willing to bet that it was money which was sustaining you and the person you bartered with. He earned it and you payed him back...where would you have been if he was in the same situtation as yourself?

Alright, consider this.... man leaves the ocean and stands on his own two feet for the very first time... he discovers wood, rock, metal... builds tools, builds a wheel... discovers fire... he eats, drinks, stays warm and survives.
Man and woman discover intemacy and procreates and creates a family.

How much money have they spent?

It was done wasn't it? So, why can't it be done now?

I know, you'll say "it costs money to do those things now."

No it doesn't. It costs YOU money because you don't know how to do that stuff on your own. Does that make you dumber than a cave man?? He did it, why can't you do it without money?

swedguy · 05-17-2005, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by kaktuz

money is in the one hand happiness

Why is money happiness?

TheKink · 05-17-2005, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by notjoe

And without money would any of those places that were able to help you out have existed? and if they didnt exist what would you have done?

My only point is that money is infact everything. Without it many services which currently exist simply wouldnt.

Which is more likely, some rich people to donate money to worthy causes or for them to donate their time to the same cause? The money ofcourse. The money could do more for a homeless shelter than the rich person could ever do buy spending time there.

in actuality, if money was non-existant, than people would trade labour for food, food for food, and technology would not have advanced. we would basically still be nothing but a bunch of farmers who trade crops. Technology wouldn't have advnaced because it was people urge to obtain money that triggered technology

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justsexxx Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 13,723	It's actually sad you think like this. Oh well, your choice. Of course money is nice. But I prefer a "normal" amount and have a good health/friends/happiness etc, then extremely rich, and no real friends, bad health etc. Iknow many rich ppl, who go alone on hollidays, or just visit every webmaster event. because they do not have any friends to go on holliday with... __________________ Questions? ICQ: 125184542

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StuartD Sofa King Band Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Outside the box Posts: 29,903	Let's consider this... you spend $10k on the sharpest clothing you can find, and dress it up to the nines.... and go out on the town. You hit a club and walk in, thinking you're making the best entrance ever. You stand there for about 4 hours having never talked to a single person, sipping on your 3rd drink that you're trying to make last because you don't want to get drunk for nothing, but you're starting to pound them back a little faster and faster as you begin to feel more and more lonely. People in rags are dancing around you, laughing and having the time of your life.... yet you lack the courage to say hi, much less grab someone you don't know and dance. Now, you sit down at a table by yourself and feel completely useless and pathetic because you have the most expensive clothes in the room and can't make a friend to save your life. Yup, good thing you've got all that money cause hey.... money is everything, so who needs friends? __________________ This is me on facebook This is me on twitter

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