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notjoe · 05-17-2005, 05:20 AM

My point is that without money involved directly or indirectly with your life the quality of life would be substandard.

I personally would pass on making more money to spend more time with family but im only getting engaged and dont have kids to worry about so now is the time to make it...just my 2 cents

swedguy · 05-17-2005, 05:20 AM

This is a good Tuesday thread

goBigtime · 05-17-2005, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by justsexxx

It's actually sad you think like this. Oh well, your choice.

I'm not delusional. I am not content with life by knowing who has slept with who today on the really real world, and who is the next person to get voted off the island.

swedguy · 05-17-2005, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by notjoe

My point is that without money involved directly or indirectly with your life the quality of life would be substandard.

sub-standard according to who's standard?

StuartD · 05-17-2005, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by notjoe

My point is that without money involved directly or indirectly with your life the quality of life would be substandard.

I personally would pass on making more money to spend more time with family but im only getting engaged and dont have kids to worry about so now is the time to make it...just my 2 cents

substandard isn't "nothing" in which case, you can live a substandard life with no money... so wait, does that mean that it's still "everything"?

TheKink · 05-17-2005, 05:22 AM

the sad part is, if money was non existant, we wouldn't be able t communicate via a machine from all the way around the world. Because nobody would have a need to make it.

Trax · 05-17-2005, 05:23 AM

this is a personality thing
money can ruin you in any way you can imagine if you don't know how to deal with it.
if you all of the sudden think you're the biggest fuck in the world you have a problem
if you think you can buy friends you have a problem
and the list goes on... it's a behaviour thing
stay calm, stay normal and being rich is going to be a bless

StuartD · 05-17-2005, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by TheKink

the sad part is, if money was non existant, we wouldn't be able t communicate via a machine from all the way around the world. Because nobody would have a need to make it.

the caveman didn't have money and had a need to communicate... ever seen cave paintings and such? He made wheels and arrows.

Just because there's no money, doesn't mean there's no need.

notjoe · 05-17-2005, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD

Alright, consider this.... man leaves the ocean and stands on his own two feet for the very first time... he discovers wood, rock, metal... builds tools, builds a wheel... discovers fire... he eats, drinks, stays warm and survives.
Man and woman discover intemacy and procreates and creates a family.

How much money have they spent?

It was done wasn't it? So, why can't it be done now?

I know, you'll say "it costs money to do those things now."

No it doesn't. It costs YOU money because you don't know how to do that stuff on your own. Does that make you dumber than a cave man?? He did it, why can't you do it without money?

Why cant i do it? Because i cant just walk in on land and claim ownership of it...i have to BUY the land...Now when i go hunting for fish and wild animals i will need to worry about regulations and permits, which cost money.

It's a completely different world today than it was thousands of years ago...

Mutt · 05-17-2005, 05:26 AM

Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Money is necessary to meet the needs most human beings minimally need to be satisfied/happy. A decent job in any developed country will provide enough for most people to be happy. If you're using the word 'money' interchangably with 'signficant wealth' then it is very true that money isn't everything. I know far more truly happy people who have middle class incomes than I do those who have great wealth, either earned or inherited. I grew up surrounded by great wealth - i saw more misery in those families than in the middle class families I know, by far. A passion for what you do with your time, both work and play, and a good sense of self esteem are way more important than wealth. Not saying rich people are all miserable, some love what they do and every day is a competition with themselves and the rest of the world to achieve more wealth. It fuels their ego and self esteem. I know the happiest person in my family earns the least.

I once had a doctor give me this pretty simplistic definition of stress/anxiety - the gap between what you have and are and what you expect/want to have and be. The wider that gulf the more angst you will feel. If you set up high expectations for yourself that you are not really equipped for or willing to work for get ready for a life of misery.

Poverty does suck - i really don't think there are many happy people in poverty.

StuartD · 05-17-2005, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by notjoe

Why cant i do it? Because i cant just walk in on land and claim ownership of it...i have to BUY the land...Now when i go hunting for fish and wild animals i will need to worry about regulations and permits, which cost money.

It's a completely different world today than it was thousands of years ago...

uhmm... sorry, that's a sad argument. I'm not talking about owning the land here, am I? You can survive plenty well without owning land. Infact, most people in the world don't own any land.

swedguy · 05-17-2005, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by notjoe

Why cant i do it? Because i cant just walk in on land and claim ownership of it...i have to BUY the land...Now when i go hunting for fish and wild animals i will need to worry about regulations and permits, which cost money.

It's a completely different world today than it was thousands of years ago...

Don't say world, when you mean United States of America.

TheKink · 05-17-2005, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD

the caveman didn't have money and had a need to communicate... ever seen cave paintings and such? He made wheels and arrows.

Just because there's no money, doesn't mean there's no need.

but once we got to the point where we had houses, which was before money, and farms, which was before money, and left it at that, we would have no need for distant communication, as we would trade with the locals. It was only when money was introduced that we had the need for distant communications.

goBigtime · 05-17-2005, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by gobig

So.. what can you have without money?

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Originally Posted by swedguy

A rich life

Rich doesn't have to mean a lot of money.

Then you would most likely be rich in the stench of urine and feces (grogans?)... are you ok with that in order to be rich in piece of mind or whatever "rich" you are referring to?

StuartD · 05-17-2005, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by TheKink

but once we got to the point where we had houses, which was before money, and farms, which was before money, and left it at that, we would have no need for distant communication, as we would trade with the locals. It was only when money was introduced that we had the need for distant communications.

No, trade was needed as one community didn't have everything available that they wanted or needed. Not every community had the proper soil for ever kind of vegetation.
Communication across communities was needed.... but not for money. For mutual gain but not for money.

notjoe · 05-17-2005, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD

uhmm... sorry, that's a sad argument. I'm not talking about owning the land here, am I? You can survive plenty well without owning land. Infact, most people in the world don't own any land.

It's the truth. there is no such thing as land which nobody owns.. either it is owned by the govt, business, or person.

StuartD · 05-17-2005, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by notjoe

It's the truth. there is no such thing as land which nobody owns.. either it is owned by the govt, business, or person.

Seriously, you need to explore more of the world than just North America. There's a LOT of land that isn't owned by any person in the world.

Infact, think back to when Canada was first discovered... how much was it bought for? How many dollars exactly?

PS, I don't own any land... neither does most of the people I know who pay rent.... infact, as I said, the MAJORITY of the world doesn't own any land at all.... how do they survive?!?!?!?

notjoe · 05-17-2005, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD

No, trade was needed as one community didn't have everything available that they wanted or needed. Not every community had the proper soil for ever kind of vegetation.
Communication across communities was needed.... but not for money. For mutual gain but not for money.

You mean for a better quality of life dont you? isnt that the same basis on which money is exchanged?

justsexxx · 05-17-2005, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by goBigtime

I'm not delusional. I am not content with life by knowing who has slept with who today on the really real world, and who is the next person to get voted off the island.

Pardon? 8chars

swedguy · 05-17-2005, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by goBigtime

Then you would most likely be rich in the stench of urine and feces (grogans?)... are you ok with that in order to be rich in piece of mind or whatever "rich" you are referring to?

Just because you don't have any money, doesn't mean that you have piss on yourself. That usually means that you have some other issues than just lack of money.

A good example is a homeless person that lives besides my kayak club. He has lived there for pretty long time. Every morning he brushes his teeth, bathes himeself in the canal and packs up his stuff. He keeps "his" place super neat.
His a very nice guy, just had some bad luck that made him end up on the street.

2HousePlague · 05-17-2005, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD

Actually, it is quite possible to live without money and is done on a regular basis by a lot of people in this world.

Certainly, we still possess the skills to survive on this planet, even "prosperously", without particpating in a money-based society.

I'm sure if civilization were to collapse, we would rely heavily on those skills.

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Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD

People tend to forget that there are people living beyond the boundaries of the city in which they live.

I am not such a person, nor could I imagine ever becoming so distracted by and so focused on the arbitrary "formalities" of civilization's current form to forget the essential definition of living.

But to say that it is possible in 2005 to live in complete independence of money is simply naive. There is NO place on Earth that is untouched by or beyond the influence of money -- even the blissful residents of a remote jungle could wake up one day to find loggers destroying their homes.

Perhaps such an existence is comparable to the anxieties and uncertainties we face in our overly-complicated 1st World lives -- "Am I going to lose my job?" -- "Am I going to get sued?" -- "Will the IRS audit me this year?" -- etc.

But the difference is we have an answer to THOSE anxieties -- with MONEY.

To refuse participation in a money system is one thing, to be unaffacted by money is quite another.

I think the tribesmen living in the jungle -- wholly ignorant of money -- probably sleep better than we do, though.

j-

StuartD · 05-17-2005, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by notjoe

You mean for a better quality of life dont you? isnt that the same basis on which money is exchanged?

No... I've given up plenty of money that hasn't lead to a better quality of life.

Rui · 05-17-2005, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by goBigtime

...and if you do, you can afford the luxury to stop an contemplate it.

To me, that would reinforce the idea that money is "everything".

I fell sorry for people like you, I really do

notjoe · 05-17-2005, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD

Seriously, you need to explore more of the world than just North America. There's a LOT of land that isn't owned by any person in the world.

Infact, think back to when Canada was first discovered... how much was it bought for? How many dollars exactly?

PS, I don't own any land... neither does most of the people I know who pay rent.... infact, as I said, the MAJORITY of the world doesn't own any land at all.... how do they survive?!?!?!?

Why dont you find me some land which isnt part of any country which i can just walk onto and claim ownership of without it ever being disputed in court and involve high priced lawyers. Oh yeah, the land has to be able to sustain life. It'll also have to be close to other communities so that the barter system can be used.

StuartD · 05-17-2005, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by 2HousePlague

I think the tribesmen living in the jungle -- wholly ignorant of money -- probably sleep better than we do, though.

j-

I would think so

goBigtime · 05-17-2005, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD

I've lived just fine without seeing a dollar... lasted for a couple years.

And now it's over... and you had to come back to the real world.

The world that exchanges money for... everything

swedguy · 05-17-2005, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by notjoe

It's the truth. there is no such thing as land which nobody owns.. either it is owned by the govt, business, or person.

Just because someone else owns it, doens't mean I can't be on it. I might get shot in the US if I do that, but there's still a lot of civilized places left in the world.

evanmorgan · 05-17-2005, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by pimplink

idiot....

hardly, i mean left thumb, i dont use it all really, a million quid could really set me up for life

notjoe · 05-17-2005, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD

No... I've given up plenty of money that hasn't lead to a better quality of life.

But you didnt give it all up did you? Why was that?

StuartD · 05-17-2005, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by goBigtime

And now it's over... and you had to come back to the real world.

The world that exchanges money for... everything

So on Earth, there's 2 worlds... one where money is everything and one where it's not?

I'm confused.

StuartD · 05-17-2005, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by notjoe

But you didnt give it all up did you? Why was that?

Because all of it would have been "Everything"....

Rui · 05-17-2005, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD

Let's consider this...

you spend $10k on the sharpest clothing you can find, and dress it up to the nines.... and go out on the town.

You hit a club and walk in, thinking you're making the best entrance ever.

You stand there for about 4 hours having never talked to a single person, sipping on your 3rd drink that you're trying to make last because you don't want to get drunk for nothing, but you're starting to pound them back a little faster and faster as you begin to feel more and more lonely.

People in rags are dancing around you, laughing and having the time of your life.... yet you lack the courage to say hi, much less grab someone you don't know and dance.

Now, you sit down at a table by yourself and feel completely useless and pathetic because you have the most expensive clothes in the room and can't make a friend to save your life.

Yup, good thing you've got all that money cause hey.... money is everything, so who needs friends?

Excellent post, I bet most people that say money is everything dont have any friends to start with so I guess I somehow understand why they say money is everything

notjoe · 05-17-2005, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by swedguy

Just because someone else owns it, doens't mean I can't be on it. I might get shot in the US if I do that, but there's still a lot of civilized places left in the world.

Sure you can be on it but that doesnt mean you can settle down, build a house and raise a family there...It also doesnt protect you should that person decide to boot your ass off the land either ;)

swedguy · 05-17-2005, 05:42 AM

For those of you who agree that money is everything or a lot.

If you wouldn't have any money. What would you miss?

notjoe · 05-17-2005, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD

Because all of it would have been "Everything"....

But as you said you dont need it to live and you weren't happy with it so why continue on with earning it?

StuartD · 05-17-2005, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Rui

Excellent post, I bet most people that say money is everything dont have any friends to start with so I guess I somehow understand why they say money is everything

People tend to think of their "posessions" and those are bought with money and therefore, it's everything.

Funny though, we need air to breathe. That comes from the oceans and trees. Those can't be bought. Well, they can but... let's say there was no trees on the planet. You can't "buy" something that no longer exists. There's no seeds, there's nothing to buy and thus... no trees... so no air.

So now money is nothing, not everything.

Can it buy fish in the sea? Can it buy birds in the air? Can it buy stars in the sky?

Nope, they're all there regardless of our money.

So money isn't "everything" now is it? It's everything to some, because they have forgotten about everything else... because money has consumed their lives and everything else is just taken for granted (like friends).

StuartD · 05-17-2005, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by notjoe

But as you said you dont need it to live and you weren't happy with it so why continue on with earning it?

because it's something... I like it. I won't deny you that... but I won't ever admit that it's "everything".
I also take a second apple... I didn't have any before, now I have one.. I take a second one because it's good. That doesn't make apples "everything" does it?

If I have a lot in my life without money, and have more in my life with money... that doesn't make money everything... it just makes it more. An addition.

Rui · 05-17-2005, 05:45 AM

You are only fooling yourself if you think that having money is the key to a happy full life...

notjoe · 05-17-2005, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by swedguy

For those of you who agree that money is everything or a lot.

If you wouldn't have any money. What would you miss?

a warm roof over my head.
my bed
food in my belly
my pets
my car

swedguy · 05-17-2005, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by notjoe

Sure you can be on it but that doesnt mean you can settle down, build a house and raise a family there...It also doesnt protect you should that person decide to boot your ass off the land either ;)

Many countries still trade land for work. You get a piece of land where you can build a house and grow some crop and the owner gets a piece of the crop and you help him out.

notjoe · 05-17-2005, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Rui

You are only fooling yourself if you think that having money is the key to a happy full life...

Who ever said money was the key to a happy life? I only said it sustained life, in today's world and not thousands of years ago, which is all that matters

goBigtime · 05-17-2005, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD

Let's consider this...

you spend $10k on the sharpest clothing you can find, and dress it up to the nines.... and go out on the town.

You hit a club and walk in, thinking you're making the best entrance ever.

You stand there for about 4 hours having never talked to a single person, sipping on your 3rd drink that you're trying to make last because you don't want to get drunk for nothing, but you're starting to pound them back a little faster and faster as you begin to feel more and more lonely.

People in rags are dancing around you, laughing and having the time of your life.... yet you lack the courage to say hi, much less grab someone you don't know and dance.

Now, you sit down at a table by yourself and feel completely useless and pathetic because you have the most expensive clothes in the room and can't make a friend to save your life.

Yup, good thing you've got all that money cause hey.... money is everything, so who needs friends?

I understand what you're saying....

But try to understand what I'm saying.

Using your example...

A) If you have no money, you would not be let in by the doorman or club owner. If not for lack of being able to afford the cover, for the fact that you smell like ass and possibly, urine. I know a few doormen and club owners... they aren't very friendly to people in rags who don't have money.

B) Considering "A", the people in smelly rags would probably not be inside the same "club" as a guy with $10k worth of clothes on. If they were, then depending on the ratio of rags to richies, someone is going to be very unhappy... in your example, it was Mr. 10k.

StuartD · 05-17-2005, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by goBigtime

I understand what you're saying....

But try to understand what I'm saying.

Using your example...

A) If you have no money, you would not be let in by the doorman or club owner. If not for lack of being able to afford the cover, for the fact that you smell like ass and possibly, urine. I know a few doormen and club owners... they aren't very friendly to people in rags who don't have money.

B) Considering "A", the people in smelly rags would probably not be inside the same "club" as a guy with $10k worth of clothes on. If they were, then depending on the ratio of rags to richies, someone is going to be very unhappy... in your example, it was Mr. 10k.

Way to avoid the point.

notjoe · 05-17-2005, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by swedguy

Don't say world, when you mean United States of America.

No, i mean world...

BTW i live in canada so your american example isnt valid ;)

notjoe · 05-17-2005, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Money is necessary to meet the needs most human beings minimally need to be satisfied/happy. A decent job in any developed country will provide enough for most people to be happy. If you're using the word 'money' interchangably with 'signficant wealth' then it is very true that money isn't everything. I know far more truly happy people who have middle class incomes than I do those who have great wealth, either earned or inherited. I grew up surrounded by great wealth - i saw more misery in those families than in the middle class families I know, by far. A passion for what you do with your time, both work and play, and a good sense of self esteem are way more important than wealth. Not saying rich people are all miserable, some love what they do and every day is a competition with themselves and the rest of the world to achieve more wealth. It fuels their ego and self esteem. I know the happiest person in my family earns the least.

I once had a doctor give me this pretty simplistic definition of stress/anxiety - the gap between what you have and are and what you expect/want to have and be. The wider that gulf the more angst you will feel. If you set up high expectations for yourself that you are not really equipped for or willing to work for get ready for a life of misery.

Poverty does suck - i really don't think there are many happy people in poverty.

Great post!

swedguy · 05-17-2005, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by notjoe

No, i mean world...

BTW i live in canada so your american example isnt valid ;)

If you live in Canada, then you shuold know better

gangbangjoe · 05-17-2005, 05:54 AM

money wont help you shit if you have mental problems or no friends

goBigtime · 05-17-2005, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by TheKink

I enjoy having money, but I enjoy spending time with my son way more, if I didn't have money, I'd find a way.

Hmm... family. I'm sure some people think that family is always greater than money. Right?

In many parts of the world people sell their own children, through legal adoption or otherwise. In others they sell (their own) young children knowingly into sex rings and shit.

While it was their own fucked up individual and personal choices to do such things, these people have ruined the argument for everyone the idea that family is always greater than money in this world.

goBigtime · 05-17-2005, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by gangbangjoe

money wont help you shit if you have mental problems or no friends

It might. Depending on the fiber content of the currency in question.

goBigtime · 05-17-2005, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD

Way to avoid the point.

Avoid the point? You're not understanding the discussion. It's all or none.

And fwiw, I said I understood your point.

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Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Money is necessary to meet the needs most human beings minimally need to be satisfied/happy. A decent job in any developed country will provide enough for most people to be happy. If you're using the word 'money' interchangably with 'signficant wealth' then it is very true that money isn't everything. I know far more truly happy people who have middle class incomes than I do those who have great wealth, either earned or inherited. I grew up surrounded by great wealth - i saw more misery in those families than in the middle class families I know, by far. A passion for what you do with your time, both work and play, and a good sense of self esteem are way more important than wealth. Not saying rich people are all miserable, some love what they do and every day is a competition with themselves and the rest of the world to achieve more wealth. It fuels their ego and self esteem. I know the happiest person in my family earns the least. I once had a doctor give me this pretty simplistic definition of stress/anxiety - the gap between what you have and are and what you expect/want to have and be. The wider that gulf the more angst you will feel. If you set up high expectations for yourself that you are not really equipped for or willing to work for get ready for a life of misery. Poverty does suck - i really don't think there are many happy people in poverty. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

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notjoe Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 5,599	My point is that without money involved directly or indirectly with your life the quality of life would be substandard. I personally would pass on making more money to spend more time with family but im only getting engaged and dont have kids to worry about so now is the time to make it...just my 2 cents

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TheKink Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 30	the sad part is, if money was non existant, we wouldn't be able t communicate via a machine from all the way around the world. Because nobody would have a need to make it.

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Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	this is a personality thing money can ruin you in any way you can imagine if you don't know how to deal with it. if you all of the sudden think you're the biggest fuck in the world you have a problem if you think you can buy friends you have a problem and the list goes on... it's a behaviour thing stay calm, stay normal and being rich is going to be a bless

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