Fletch XXX

Regardless, when they freeze Webpower.Incs accounts for writing bad checks intentionally to all of this it will affect us all. And when ifriends goes down, all the money we webmasters make from it will go down as well. I know personally this will have a huge impact on my life, or at least the flow of money until I get it resolved...

I might add, I don't know if any of you are hosts on ifreidns but they have a private message board for hosts only and I am reading it and you would be surprised what is being said and just how many people's lives are being turned upside down.

I know women whom have children and make their total living on ifriends from home, now what can they do, here's a quote from one host on the p[rivate board...

- "I'm out 3 weeks of checks and my banking accounts are frozen.....can ifriends tell me how i should go about feeding my kid for the next week or 2 or however long this goes on." -

I am waiting for 2 Click Cash webmaster check to be "reissued" due to "mailing errors", my address has never changed in the 3 or so years I have promoted clickcash and they claim my adress is now correct, as a webmaster I have lost 2 checks this year, and as a chathost neither my girlfriend or I have been paid on 4 check this week. So that makes 6 checks in limbo, ...

/fuck

Fletch XXX

Just got off the phone with bank again... now not only have the cam chathost checks bounced, but now my clickcash webmaster check has bounced too. So now webmasters are being fucked as well...

In addition to my chathosts checks bouncing in excess of $3000 my click cash checks are bouncing as well, indeed this sucks fucking ass.

Super Pissed!

BumpUglyz

Last week Two CCBILL Checks were returned and stamped PAYMENT STOPPED! Now Im afraid to put in my CCbill Checks from this week.

Anyone else have a problem with CCBILL checks? I called them and they said call back monday and talk to account, I asked tech if they knew anything about this, she said, there was a problem, it should be fixed within the next few pay periods. But I didnt know anything about this. Shouldn't they have sent out an email or something to notify us. Thats a $7.50 charge for a returned check.

anyone else???

Da Bears!

Fro

What's the difference between PAYMENT STOPPED and INSUFFICIENT FUNDS. I think it's significant.

I cash checks from CCBill every week (it seems). Never a problem. I'll let you know if that changes.

Fro

Speedy26

i dont understand why I-friends made a big deal about getting me my check fed x the other day just to have it bounce? i cashed two checks thursday or friday so does that mean my bank is going to take the money out of my checking to cover them?

BumpUglyz

Ive been cashing CCBill checks for 5 years never a problem, Until now =(

I just dont understand why an email wasnt sent out, but I hope all is ok

Go Bears!

Rocky

well my check from Jan 11th cleared without a problem (so far) and i just deposited one on Friday, so let's see

also tried calling Stacy and her extension is no longer valid - not a good sign

maybe Persian Kitty can shed some light on this situation, she's been using them the longest and probably has more contacts

Fro

Well,

One thing's for sure; if you have a problem with CCBill, you can almost always get your account representative. I know there have been a number of times when I had problems and Sean was always on the other end of the phone.

Night and day, I'd say, from ClickCash support.

Have you given CCBill a call?

Fro

JakeR

CCBill mailed me 2300$ accidently a couple weeks back

Fletch XXX

Without my CC Bill check I would be totally broke this week. Although after all the bank fees I will be... CC Bill kicks ass, nothing bad to say about them.

It's ClickCash who is fucking us now...

stangster

I just called Bankatlantic's 800 number to verify merchant funds for the webmaster account and guess what?

It doesn't even clear 2 bucks.

This fuckin sucks. I have checks from dec that I haven't cashed yet.

Never again...

Speedy26

anyone know for sure if we are all screwed yet?

I Like Money

Yeah I would say we are all screwed when they dont email webmasters an explanation,I just called the bank as well and there is NO money in their merchant account
I have $6k i havent cashed either
fuckin sucks

corvette

A few weeks ago we had an issue with a few partner checks being mailed out incorrectly...we emailed the affected partners and placed "stop payments" on the checks...if you didnt get an email, please email with the details and i will see why...get hold of me and we will compensate you for the bank fees

Rocky, Staceys extension should not be any different than before...you have any problems/questions and can't get hold of her, call ext. 160..

taking off for the night, anybody has any problems with CCBill, email [email protected]



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BumpUglyz

yeah, true. Im thinking its NOT CCBILL,but maybe a check sent that shouldn't have been sent,or a sponser error. Well, monday I will find out, but two checks equaling up to more then $500.00

hope all is well

PersianKitty

Maybe PersianKitty will post here since she's been using them the longest. 6 years in February, weekly checks like clockwork with never and problem.

I was contacted by several people today regarding this issue. I have been assured via email (with less than a 3 hour turn around on a Saturday) by the owner of Webpower that this is an isolated problem that was created by the bank in question.

Also, trying to verify funds this weekend will do you no good. Many large businesses make it a practice of using what's called a "Sweep account" funds are moved nightly from an interest bearing account to the checking account to cover the previous days checks. So essentially there is never a true balance in the checking account.

Also, many large businesses transfer funds from checking accounts to interesting bearing accounts over weekends (and this is a 3 day weekend here in the US) in order to gain the interest on money that would normally be sitting there.

In regards to those who are talking about how this effects their personal life, it may be callous to say but I never spend deposited money until I've given it a good 10 days to make sure it's really there.

See....in my kittenhood I got burned by a sponsor. I'd already put the money into something else and had to scramble for a couple of weeks and give some explanations because of it. I've learned to be patient and wait the 10 banking days to be safe. It only creates a crunch for the first couple of weeks you're doing it and then the flow seems like it normal does for you.

Regarding viewing stats, I've run into a bit of problems, but I find if I use their "log in/log out" function to log out and then back in, I can view stats fine.

I hope this helps.

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RAM

Very well said.

I think it's happened to everyone at least once.

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BumpUglyz

thank you PK for responding, Im hearing ya

I will let everyone know how it turns out on monday.

Now approve my galleries, I review for tommy on tommys-bookmarks, Help a brotha out! hehehe

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Fro

Yup. We're fucked. Quote me on that.

Dawgy

thanx PK for the reply.

i think its interesting that PK can get in touch with the owner of webpower, but the 1000's of other webmasters who dont do her volume cant even email a normal tech support person. this is no way to run a company, and regardless of who's fault all this bank shit is, i think webpower needs to wake up and start treating its webmasters with a bit more respect.

chips27

True...

and that doesn't explain why my sales are not credited? 5000 hits today and 0 signups?? This is ridiculous

Ted

Too cash or not to cash, that is the question !

Fletch XXX

I dont give a fuck who "assured" what. The bank "assured" me the fucking funds were not there.

Fact is, as a chathost they already take 50% of my money off the top, they OWE me the rest untouched and available as it says on my check just like any other employer. Just because this is online does not make it different.

Ifriends aint do no fucking favors, we who push and promote the sites are OWED this, its not courtesy to pay on time, its part of the deal. Pay Me Fuckers.

As far as not sending Pks volume, i dont give a fuck how many hits I send them compared to PKs. I send those fuckers at least 30 join ups a week, and not to mention all the girls I have recruited for them. I send them well in excess of 100k hits a week ((((yeah my ratio is terrible I know, I have watched my join up ratio go down as my hits increase, shaving? My ratio was 1:200 until 2 months ago, now its 1:19k LOL))) and have made enough to not work a day job in 3 years, so does that make me less important or worthy of an explanation. Shit man I recruited 2 of the top 10 hosts on that site. Not Joking.

Fact is, it was NOT a simple bank error. I called and punched in 125k yesterday, and it said "funds available" you can do this for ANY BANK account or any check. So clickcash was able to cash 125k yesterday. But none of the 4 checks I have will clear today...smallest 65 bucks, highest 900+

So whoever told PK this, is the same cock thats lying to us on the chathost message board regarding the $1000 bucks for ANY proof of a NSF check. http://ifriends.net/forums.html

Did yer buddy Bad Check writer mention this 1k reward PK?

Tell the owner he owes me, my girlfriend and hundreds of others MONEY, not a fucking apology or assurance, M-O-N-E-Y ... assure him his site is done.

I dont think its too much to ask to be paid. Not to mention the thousands they are shaving off of webmasters like me...

Personally I think the IRS finally caught up to them. I do quarterly taxes too, and I am sure quite a few sites will be incurring probs this year regarding e-accounting.

PersianKitty

I don't think you read my entire post.. specifically the part about businesses using sweep accounts and also moving large balances out of non-interest bearing accounts over weekends in order to make the interest on them from Friday night until Monday morning.

I find it hard that anyone would believe that a company with at least $125K in the bank on a Friday and almost $0 on a Saturday would be doing anything other than using their money in a wise way over a long holiday weekend.

I've been in the adult internet business for over 6 years. Every single long term player will tell you they aren't here today by screwing others. All of us have faced the scrutiny of our piers, the media, and even the US Government.. including the IRS.

It's very easy to jump to conclusions when information is forthcoming. Everyone does it. I'm positive that as the week begins everything will be explained and corrected. I just hope then maybe the same people posting now will have the dignity to post then.

Claudia

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BTW: I sure hope Ifriends will sort it out and I never heart anything bad about them and their product is cool.

Fletch XXX

If I was too quick to jump, I apologize, but seriously, no webmaster I know of even gets decent response from them, and you claim to get 3 hour response from the owner. Rub it in why dont ya.

Of course I will post about this when it has cleared. And I will post about it until it has.

But PK, one thing remains, we were assured this would not happen and that all checks were good. Even encouraged by this owner guy and Louann to fucking REDEPOSIT the checks after they already went through the account once. So we are being charged twice man. It's in the ifriends forums. http://ifriends.net/forums.html but you have to be a chathost.

This owner guy claimed if anyone could prove a check had been NSF that they would be paid 1k on top of the amount of the check. Now today, days later my checks are NSF and Im supposed to be cool til Monday when my bank is negative 500. And because I wrote checks against this money I should have waited 10 days, well CC has never given me reason to doubt their money. Upon reASSURANCE from LOUANN...Gee sorry I don't make as much as the rest and can just write checks for amounts and not care, I live check to check and work hard at what I do and demand to be treated with at least the decency to be fucking paid.

They were quick to up the pay per join to 20 to keep us around when the stats began to get shaky, now this?

They were quick to post "We have never bounced a check and have been online since 96" well hundreds of checks are bouncing now and they will NOT even make a post in reponse to hundreds of chathosts and webmasters posts on their own message boards in regards to this matter, they have YET TO MAKE A STATEMENT TO ANYONE BUT YOU PK. You get an email and no other webmaster does?

NO offense PK, theyre your friends and they called you. Cool And I am sure your checks cleared. Whereas I am out of over 3k this week. Not to mention, one of the check that bounced in my account was a REISSUED check from a check not recieved a few weeks back due to accounting errors on their part...

FATPad

Does seem pretty lame. I've never heard of anyone getting an answer from iFriends.

Treating one or two of your webmasters like gold and the rest like crap is a pretty poor way of doing business.

Dawgy

i agree it sucks. thats how this world works though, not just in adult biz. go to vegas & drop $50k on the craps table. youll be treated like a king from now until you die. but go in & bet $500 and youre just another schmuck. companies always treat their best customers/partners with more respect than the 1000s of little guys who live check to check. as for adult biz... yeah, a lot of those programs take care of their big guys. i worked at a very large sponsor for a bit and i know that certain people's phone calls ALWAYS got through to the owner, regardless of what was going on.

i cant think of a single program out there that doesnt have a webmaster support department except ifriends. there may be others, i just havent used them personally.

anyway... while i think this is all bullshit about how we're being treated, i agree with PK that we should try and wait for a response... i live check to check too, so im hoping to god mine doesnt bounce before this is all worked out. guess we'll see...

Fletch XXX

Okay, sorry for the multiple posts, wanted to add something that looks important. Ifriends just pulled their message boards.

in response to PK

I find it hard to believe any business with 125k in an account on Friday would have $65 checks bouncing the next day, I also find it hard to consider this using their money in a wise way over a holiday weekend.

Also, its not just one account its all the Webpower merchant accounts PK. ClickCash and Ifriends have seperate banking. So if they were making some sweep action, why would it affect all the company funds.

ClickCash = 0055316770
ifriends = 0055316762

This owner guy made a post saying "ex clickcash webmasters and banned chathosts were making up these rumors and trying to give click cash and ifriends a bad name by saying their checks were bouncing"... now we find this rumor of bad checks to be true. Bad checks are giving them a bad name not webmasters or hosts.

Anyway, hope its all taken care of, as of now though 2:10 am PST ifriends has taken down their message boards. So instead of a response they just take them down... well PK< I hope you're right man. I really do. I really really really do ... thanks for the positive words though PK...

ToolGuy

Just yanked this off their board, too tired to actually read it but I think it is what you are looking for

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Statement from iFriends
From: Chathost Support Mgr ([email protected])
Date: 1/20/02
Time: 12:56:54 AM
Remote Name: 204.180.135.38


Comments
(Parts of this post repeat previous posts from iFriends, which assorted newcomers to this forums have apparently not yet encountered)

Early this past week, a communcations protocol problem between Bank of America and BankAtlantic prevented the clearance of several checks for both the iFriends and the Clickcash program.

The number of checks is 262, which represents a small portion of one day's business (the average number of checks cashed daily, for both iFriends chathosts and clickcash webmasters, numbers in the thousands). All other checks that day cleared. All checks *since* that day have cleared.

If you were affected by the incident, your bank will likely automatically redeposit the check. However, iFriends *does* confirm that in a small number of cases, the checks were returned with the erroneous designation NSF. As these checks are brought to our attention, we are issuing replacement checks.

We deeply regret any inconvenience this may cause for iFriends chathosts, who have been the beneficiaries of regular weekly payments *without even a single incident* going back four years. (That's more than a 200 consecutive weeks of consistent and prompt payments ... a sterling reputation for integrity and reliability DESTROYED by a bank's reckless error, for which we are VERY, VERY pissed off).

I want to personally assure each and every one of you that iFriends is financially sound, and the site is healthier than ever. I have worked for this company even before iFriends existed, and have grown with it through the years, and I can tell you that when I look around these days, all I see around me is a 100% healthy enterprise.

On behalf of these two banks (who are pointing fingers at each other), iFriends sincerely apologizes for any stress or inconvenience caused you by this situation.

Louann

PS: If you have received an NSF returned check, please email me at [email protected] or call me so I can rush you out a replacement check. Last changed: January 19, 2002


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Dawgy

dont u know PK's a hot webMISTRESS who's kept all us dawgs at bay for the last 7 years? some day she'll show up at a convention and we'll all be in shock.

Fletch XXX

wow Dawgy, this is what I get when I try to access the message boards...

"""""System Error

Sorry, but we were unable to serve the web page you requested. For assistance, please e-mail [email protected] to report an I-MAIL/FORUM ACCESS SYSTEM ERROR.

You will need to provide two pieces of information:
* Your Screen Name
* Your current IP Address

Your current IP Address can be found by starting your IFCam software and clicking INFO (your IP Address will be displayed next to "Local IP"). """"""""'

What the hell is that?

PersianKitty

Fletch.. I'm not sure who this 'owner guy' posting would be. I only know of one owner, and I don't think it would be him posting on the chathost boards.

There are more than just those two accounts also. In reviewing copies of my checks here, I know of at least two more.

I didn't post the fact that I'd heard from someone with a quick turnaround as a slam to anyone or to make anyone feel small. I'd received email from several webmasters asking if I could help since I've been with Webpower for so long. I emailed the main contact that I've had since 1996 and received a prompt and thorough reply that made sense to me. I thought by relaying things here would help.. not make others feel less important. When you've been dealing with people for 6 years on the internet you build some contacts that can help in crucial times.

I know it sucks to be hanging over a long weekend and stuff like this never ever comes at a good time.

ToolGuy

Boards are working fine for me, not sure what's going on. Could they have blocked your IP possibly?
Note to webmasters wanting to start their own message board with a bang: Get a buttload of people depending on your checks and then don't pay them...lol That board is on fire and then some. Too bad it's boring, ugly and only accessible by registered hosts, if it wasn't Boneprone could probably really stir some shit up there...hehe.

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Fletch XXX

PK, no no no I didnt mean it in a "slam" sense, I just meant it sucks to hear that after 2 years of constant no response in regards to ANY question to hear you get a 3 hour response is great.

Often in times like this message boards tend to seem a bit tense, due to quick response and mixed emotions. Believe me in no way did I take offense to your reply.

As for the "owner guy" i dont know who it is either. The message board has been taken down or is not working either way so I cant track all the info on who said what and so on...some post was made by someone claiming to be an owner or something.

This has been going on for about a week or so I think... so people have been posting about it all week and everyone was told it was only rumors to go ahead and cash the checks, well it wasnt true.

On a good note, I am just glad I had all my cam girls move their sites off of ifriends and am using CC Bill now people can actually join. can you believe that, I had people emailing me telling me they were trying to join my paysites but ifriends credit card processing wasnt working for months. Not to mention the people who email me telling me about ifriends charging their cards for wrong amounts, and then saying they can only pay them in "time" meaning, ooops we accidentally charged your card 100 bucks, but hey have 200 minutes of video on us... eh okay done. Anyway. Goodnight all, have a good weekend and I hope it all gets better.

At least the CC Bill checks are always good (so far) muwaahaaaa ...

Fletch XXX

Thats exactly it, and they want to know who I am therefore asking for the info which I copied and pasted.

They are notorious for banning hosts who have something to say or question them... gee if I get banned from ifriends now we know why.

Why would they ask for my screen name and IP # if it was a 404 type server related error, thats weird, well, thats something to discuss in the morning.

I Like Money

Who gives a damn about volume of sales,that doesnt matter,my friend makes $50k a week and STILL doesnt get answers,PK has a more tight affiliation with them then im sure we are lead onto,im sure her account doesnt have built in shavers etc etc ,bottom line when i got to cash my checks next week and they bounce and i still havent recieved a courtesy email explaining this shit im taking action
and as for them saying only 242 checks or whatever are bad,does that make any sense?
it has nothing to do with the actual individual checks,THEY HAVE $0 IN THEIR MERCHANT ACCOUNT!!!! they cant cover ANY checks,they are just going to drag it on excuse after excuse,even if i get paid and everything works out,im still dumping them
my ratio ahs gone from 1:100 to 1:900 in a matter of 2 weeks,and like other webmasters i signed up under my code and the signup wasnt counted in my stats,even if they pay expect clickcash to drop off once 75% of their webmasters leave because of this
somebody start a fuckin good alternative

chips27

Clickcash are NOT taking new accounts. Try to open a new account, you'll see that when you click on the confirmation page...well the page doesn't exist

Speedy26

I have not been able to check my stats for 2 or 3 days now. cant get connected, get the 404 but even when i get the login screen i get the following error after login.

"501 Not Implemented
Cannot POST with this URL /cgi/LogInOut.exe.
Most likely, this was an attempt to execute a CGI program located in an area not configured to hold executable CGI programs."


anyone else having the same problems? who wants to start making bets on who ever owns the company has drained the bank account and is on the run. they just keep saying things are ok to keep the heat off. hehe

railz

Still no reply to me. Two signups dissapeared from my stats during this "outage". Might not be a huge amount, but hell, I earnt them

chips27

First, click on http://apps.clickcash.com/cgi/loginout.exe
then fill the form, then click on the real-time statistics link, you should be able to view your stats. And now...tell us how many signups you had yesterday and today

Tipsy

Ok....up until recently they have at least been paying but it's been a long time since they've had 'a sterling reputation for integrity and reliability', especially the reliability part.


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[Labret]

If that isnt enough to make you pull all your links right there then you have some serious issues.

As for the apps.clicks.com link, that thing has been giving me connect refused for days. I havent been able to check stats for 3 or 4 days to even begin to tell you how bad it is.

I finally dropped when I hit 1:9000

dustin

Hi. Someone apparently hacked one of my ClickCash accounts. My password doesn't work, and when I do password retrieval, the email is sent to some address I've never heard of. This account is only owed $7k for the week. But, I haven't yet been able to get a response from anyone. I have tried every possible email address I can think of at both ClickCash and iFriends. This same thing happened to a friend of mine earlier this week, and he hasn't yet been able to get a reply either. Assuming the check is good, I really hope it doesn't get sent to someone who stole my account.

If anyone knows a contact person I can reach who would actually respond, I would appreciate it. Do you all think it would be useful to go to Palm Beach and talk to them @ their office on Monday or Tuesday (Monday is a holiday here). If anyone could help me, I'd appreciate it, and I'll even give you a cut of the $. My ICQ is 126813090.

[Labret]

I would murder somebody over 7k. Sponsor or no.

Spunkyed

A three hour turnaround on an email to clickcash is typical. Sometimes i get responses in minutes. Depends on who you send the email to.

All I can say, is that if you are so unhappy, leave the program. More signups to those of us that do like it. Lots of the big companies goof up every now and then and if missing one check is gonna make you go hungry, you should be working on an alternate form of income. Ever heard the one about not putting all your eggs in one basket?

I Like Money

ROFL spunky you obviously are bullshitting YOURSELF,i dont care who you are,your stats are fucked and so is your money,it has nothing to do with individual people in this case...EVERY webmaster and chat host have been screwed,and i will continue to say we are screwed until my check clears

dustin

Hi.. no kidding, if someone helps me get my $ for this week, I will give you 1k

Thanks

Spunkyed

I'm not a chathost i'm just a mere webmaster who's checks are normaly over $14k a week from clickcash... None of my checks bounced, sure if it did it would sting a little but I'd be ok till they corrected it. And they WILL correct it just hang in there. I guess you've never bounced a check before? Just like PK I've been around for years and seen alot of sponsors come and go but clickcash has always been there. Give them a break they will fix the problem. It could be worse, we all know that there are alot of sponsors out there that wont pay you at all.

dustin

ok spunky.. who do I send email to? I've mailed stacy, lori, hadhazy, db, abuse, webmaster, and support, with no responses as of yet?

In the past clickcash has always paid me, and sometimes my checks have been for a lot. This is why it's surprising.. I can't believe someone hacked my account, and is gonna try to steal my money