ashley brookes site gets fuskered - GoFuckYourself.com

RawAlex · 03-24-2005, 04:51 PM

http://fusker.lewww.com/index.php?lid=582006&offset=150

You folks really should put some hotlink protection on your sites... your getting slammed right now.

Alex

who · 03-24-2005, 05:03 PM

Yup.. get this fisked dudez

Manowar · 03-24-2005, 05:05 PM

http://www.businessvoyeur.com/2005-0...o-block-fusker

Read, Rinse, Repeat.

who · 03-24-2005, 05:07 PM

bump to help a brova out

RawAlex · 03-24-2005, 05:08 PM

manowar: We need to keep repeating it. Fusker is a leech, stealing bandwidth, surfers, and money from honest webmasters.

Everyone needs to make the effort to block the leech!

Alex

brand0n · 03-24-2005, 05:10 PM

god shes hot

03-24-2005, 05:12 PM

I hate fusker. I had to block them from 8 domains the other day.

nmcog · 03-24-2005, 05:16 PM

Fusker.lewww.com lost their advertising in this thread:
http://www.greenguyandjim.com/board/...ad.php?t=17808

RawAlex · 03-24-2005, 05:17 PM

Brandon, she's hot alright... but if the end users get ahold of all of her content, without any real way to signup (unless they are truly bright enough to try the address in the address bar) then it is a waste of a hotty!

sherm: Ask your admin to help you block them at a server level. That can really slow them down...

Alex

TheSenator · 03-24-2005, 05:17 PM

I wonder if she fell.

Stewie · 03-24-2005, 05:23 PM

any good hotlink scripts/progs for win servers?

Thurbs · 03-24-2005, 05:27 PM

damn that sucks. sorry to hear ash, we'll boost sales anyway

RawAlex · 03-24-2005, 05:29 PM

stewie: anti hotlinking? Sure! Just fdisk the drive, install freebsd and apache, and get with the real world!

Alex

AshleyBrookes · 03-24-2005, 05:34 PM

Alex - thanks hun

Senator - Hell no I didn't fall. I stuck that landing like a pro

lol

Stewie · 03-24-2005, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex

stewie: anti hotlinking? Sure! Just fdisk the drive, install freebsd and apache, and get with the real world!

Alex

First off, I have both Win and Linux boxes, each for different needs, just like many people in the "real world". Plus, FreeBSD sucks.

SmokeyTheBear · 03-24-2005, 05:43 PM

they still have one advertiser left..

http://www.sugardvd.com/contact/dvdrentals

they have a live contact form , i suggest people use it and tell them they are supporting theft

The Sultan Of Smut · 03-24-2005, 05:48 PM

I don't get it. I was going to comment on webmasters not preventing hotlinking but I'll just save my breath.

RawAlex · 03-24-2005, 06:13 PM

Smokey, sugardvd has shut down their account... the traffic still goes, but they are no longer paying them (their rep posted this elsewhere).

Sultan: It's a two way street - you should always lock your car doors, but people who steal a car because it is unlocked are STILL THIEVES! Right now, Fusker is hotlinking and stealing from hundreds (if not thousands) of people, using their business resources and returning them nothing but a bandwidth bill.

Content used without copyright? Check!
no 2257 documentation? Check!
Possibly linking to CP? Check!
Stealing bandwidth from others? CHECK!

It's a great business model.

Alex

SmokeyTheBear · 03-24-2005, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Sultan: It's a two way street - you should always lock your car doors, but people who steal a car because it is unlocked are STILL THIEVES! Right now, Fusker is hotlinking and stealing from hundreds (if not thousands) of people, using their business resources and returning them nothing but a bandwidth bill.

good point.

If someone is stealing your garbage cans everyday because there is no lock on them, should you have to weld them to the ground to protect them , or just arrest the idiot stealing them.

cambaby · 03-24-2005, 06:25 PM

I am going to play the devils advocate here so get the fuck off of me with any personal attacks, I agree 100% I dont like hotlinkers, instead try and answer my question...

Is hotlinking illegal? Has it been specifically proven to be illegal?

mardigras · 03-24-2005, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cambaby

Is hotlinking illegal? Has it been specifically proven to be illegal?

If I live next door to you and instead of paying for electricity I sneak behind your house and run a line from your back plug to my house to run a few things, is that illegal?

Jace · 03-24-2005, 06:40 PM

avn.com supports fusker

http://dir.avnads.com/index.cgi

they have all the fusker sites in a nice directory

Jace · 03-24-2005, 06:40 PM

http://www.avnads.com/mb/commerce/pu...&vertical_id=1

RawAlex · 03-24-2005, 06:41 PM

cambaby, it's really simple:

Bandwidth used without permission (at someone else's cost)
content used without a license.
content used without 2257 documents (who knows how old the models they link to are?)
content presented without context

They are far beyond "fair use"... they are not presenting a thumb that links to a page, they are presenting all of the images with the HTML stripped off - just pictures, nothing else.

This isn't like a newsgroup scooper (which is still legally VERY questionable), but outright theft. Theft of services (bandwidth) and theft of or misuse of copyrighted material (images) for commercial purposes.

it's not hard to figure out. I think I could even lead Judge Ware to water on this one.

Alex

cambaby · 03-24-2005, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mardigras

If I live next door to you and instead of paying for electricity I sneak behind your house and run a line from your back plug to my house to run a few things, is that illegal?

Two very different things, show me a legal case.

Jace · 03-24-2005, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cambaby

Is hotlinking illegal? Has it been specifically proven to be illegal?

yes, it is theft

tony286 · 03-24-2005, 06:46 PM

why dont people start pulling ads from avn and say until the bandwidth theives are gone no one will advertise with you

cambaby · 03-24-2005, 06:46 PM

Look I agree with you people geez I am not dumb I just want a legal precedence cited?

cambaby · 03-24-2005, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex

cambaby, it's really simple:

Bandwidth used without permission (at someone else's cost)
content used without a license.
content used without 2257 documents (who knows how old the models they link to are?)
content presented without context

They are far beyond "fair use"... they are not presenting a thumb that links to a page, they are presenting all of the images with the HTML stripped off - just pictures, nothing else.

This isn't like a newsgroup scooper (which is still legally VERY questionable), but outright theft. Theft of services (bandwidth) and theft of or misuse of copyrighted material (images) for commercial purposes.

it's not hard to figure out. I think I could even lead Judge Ware to water on this one.

Alex

Alex look man all I am trying to point out is that if its so illegal, where are the legal cases involving this practice? Hotlinking is RAMPANT we all know it, why oh why has there not been a definitive law related to this practice so we can do something other than complain and whine? Dont you think a few high profile legal suits would erode the benefits for people to hotlink?

RawAlex · 03-24-2005, 09:20 PM

Cambaby: Actually, go look up the fair use cases for images. You will see that what fusker does is far beyond fair use.

Further, they present the content within their site, on their web pages, with their advertising, without a license.

Content providers these days are pretty much lame-ass when it comes to legal action. They aren't making enough of a margin making content to be able to afford a lawyer to serve these people in another state, and they don't want to be the ones setting the precident. So the whole thing just goes on.

Programs (such as AVNAds) are not bound by court decisions to make their choices. It is clear within our community that this type of arrangement isn't good, it steals from other webmasters, and money is made by having other people pay to support your site unwittingly.

Any number of news organizations have already won lawsuits stopping "inside" linking of their material. Fusker is the ultimate inside linker.

Alex

RawAlex · 03-24-2005, 11:31 PM

bump for those who missed it.

cambaby · 03-24-2005, 11:43 PM

Alex - Yeap I understand and respect that, so what about the threads here on GFY with people hotlinking images, this is fair use too?

RawAlex · 03-25-2005, 02:00 AM

cambaby, a single image, by itself, can be construed as "fair use"... it is also clear that the intention of this chat board isn't to share huge amounts of content. They are presented as part and parcel of discussions. That being said, in very technical terms, they too are stealing from someone else.

Fusker works by listing every single image from your site on a SINGLE webpage. It drives your server into the ground (imagine a gallery page with 30 pics @ 100k each... each visitor to the page on their site loads those 30 images at the same time (not the thumbs, the full size pics). Get 100 requests a minute (and fusker can generate that sort of traffic) and you are looking at 3000 * 100k bandwidth per minute - enough to bring many servers to their knees.

Those images are presented out of context, no gallery wrapper, no way for the site owner to make money. All the site owner does is pay for a server and bandwidth so this roach can make money.

Single images linked in the course of a chat board is a very grey area - and I have seen chat boards that allow users to post 100+ image links in a single post. It all comes down intent, when you think about it.

Alex

xclusive · 03-25-2005, 03:04 AM

need to find a way to stop those fuckers for good

Mutt · 03-25-2005, 05:27 AM

somebody fuskered Ashley? i want pix!

Mutt · 03-25-2005, 05:28 AM

this is what those rascally fuskers get now http://www.wantongirls.com/hotlink.html

03-24-2005, 04:51 PM	#1
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	ashley brookes site gets fuskered http://fusker.lewww.com/index.php?lid=582006&offset=150 You folks really should put some hotlink protection on your sites... your getting slammed right now. Alex

03-24-2005, 05:17 PM	#10
TheSenator Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 13,336	I wonder if she fell. __________________ ISeekGirls.com since 2005

03-24-2005, 05:34 PM	#14
AshleyBrookes Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Midwest USA Posts: 481	Alex - thanks hun Senator - Hell no I didn't fall. I stuck that landing like a pro lol __________________ The Hottest New Program with the Hottest New Solo Girls ICQ: 233-305-383

03-24-2005, 05:43 PM	#16
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	they still have one advertiser left.. http://www.sugardvd.com/contact/dvdrentals they have a live contact form , i suggest people use it and tell them they are supporting theft __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

03-25-2005, 03:04 AM	#34
xclusive Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 35,218	need to find a way to stop those fuckers for good __________________ I support MediumPimpin.com / Shemp's Outlawtgp.com /

03-24-2005, 05:03 PM	#2
who So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: ICQ #23642053 Posts: 19,593	Yup.. get this fisked dudez

03-24-2005, 05:05 PM	#3
Manowar jellyfish Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 71,528	http://www.businessvoyeur.com/2005-0...o-block-fusker Read, Rinse, Repeat.

03-24-2005, 05:07 PM	#4
who So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: ICQ #23642053 Posts: 19,593	bump to help a brova out

03-24-2005, 05:08 PM	#5
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	manowar: We need to keep repeating it. Fusker is a leech, stealing bandwidth, surfers, and money from honest webmasters. Everyone needs to make the effort to block the leech! Alex

03-24-2005, 05:10 PM	#6
brand0n been very busy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: the queen city Posts: 26,983	god shes hot

03-24-2005, 05:12 PM	#7
shermo Guest Posts: n/a	I hate fusker. I had to block them from 8 domains the other day.

03-24-2005, 05:16 PM	#8
nmcog Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 825	Fusker.lewww.com lost their advertising in this thread: http://www.greenguyandjim.com/board/...ad.php?t=17808

03-24-2005, 05:23 PM	#11
Stewie Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In bed with Vanilla Posts: 3,670	any good hotlink scripts/progs for win servers?

03-24-2005, 05:27 PM	#12
Thurbs The Thrilla in Manila Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Thurbs' Lagoon, Christmas Island Posts: 4,785	damn that sucks. sorry to hear ash, we'll boost sales anyway

03-24-2005, 05:29 PM	#13
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	stewie: anti hotlinking? Sure! Just fdisk the drive, install freebsd and apache, and get with the real world! Alex

03-24-2005, 05:48 PM	#17
The Sultan Of Smut Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 4,325	I don't get it. I was going to comment on webmasters not preventing hotlinking but I'll just save my breath.

03-24-2005, 06:13 PM	#18
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	Smokey, sugardvd has shut down their account... the traffic still goes, but they are no longer paying them (their rep posted this elsewhere). Sultan: It's a two way street - you should always lock your car doors, but people who steal a car because it is unlocked are STILL THIEVES! Right now, Fusker is hotlinking and stealing from hundreds (if not thousands) of people, using their business resources and returning them nothing but a bandwidth bill. Content used without copyright? Check! no 2257 documentation? Check! Possibly linking to CP? Check! Stealing bandwidth from others? CHECK! It's a great business model. Alex

03-24-2005, 06:25 PM	#20
cambaby So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: CR Posts: 3,141	I am going to play the devils advocate here so get the fuck off of me with any personal attacks, I agree 100% I dont like hotlinkers, instead try and answer my question... Is hotlinking illegal? Has it been specifically proven to be illegal?

03-24-2005, 06:40 PM	#22
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	avn.com supports fusker http://dir.avnads.com/index.cgi they have all the fusker sites in a nice directory

03-24-2005, 06:41 PM	#24
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	cambaby, it's really simple: Bandwidth used without permission (at someone else's cost) content used without a license. content used without 2257 documents (who knows how old the models they link to are?) content presented without context They are far beyond "fair use"... they are not presenting a thumb that links to a page, they are presenting all of the images with the HTML stripped off - just pictures, nothing else. This isn't like a newsgroup scooper (which is still legally VERY questionable), but outright theft. Theft of services (bandwidth) and theft of or misuse of copyrighted material (images) for commercial purposes. it's not hard to figure out. I think I could even lead Judge Ware to water on this one. Alex

03-24-2005, 06:46 PM	#27
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	why dont people start pulling ads from avn and say until the bandwidth theives are gone no one will advertise with you

03-24-2005, 09:20 PM	#30
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	Cambaby: Actually, go look up the fair use cases for images. You will see that what fusker does is far beyond fair use. Further, they present the content within their site, on their web pages, with their advertising, without a license. Content providers these days are pretty much lame-ass when it comes to legal action. They aren't making enough of a margin making content to be able to afford a lawyer to serve these people in another state, and they don't want to be the ones setting the precident. So the whole thing just goes on. Programs (such as AVNAds) are not bound by court decisions to make their choices. It is clear within our community that this type of arrangement isn't good, it steals from other webmasters, and money is made by having other people pay to support your site unwittingly. Any number of news organizations have already won lawsuits stopping "inside" linking of their material. Fusker is the ultimate inside linker. Alex

03-24-2005, 11:31 PM	#31
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	bump for those who missed it.

03-24-2005, 11:43 PM	#32
cambaby So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: CR Posts: 3,141	Alex - Yeap I understand and respect that, so what about the threads here on GFY with people hotlinking images, this is fair use too?

03-25-2005, 02:00 AM	#33
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	cambaby, a single image, by itself, can be construed as "fair use"... it is also clear that the intention of this chat board isn't to share huge amounts of content. They are presented as part and parcel of discussions. That being said, in very technical terms, they too are stealing from someone else. Fusker works by listing every single image from your site on a SINGLE webpage. It drives your server into the ground (imagine a gallery page with 30 pics @ 100k each... each visitor to the page on their site loads those 30 images at the same time (not the thumbs, the full size pics). Get 100 requests a minute (and fusker can generate that sort of traffic) and you are looking at 3000 * 100k bandwidth per minute - enough to bring many servers to their knees. Those images are presented out of context, no gallery wrapper, no way for the site owner to make money. All the site owner does is pay for a server and bandwidth so this roach can make money. Single images linked in the course of a chat board is a very grey area - and I have seen chat boards that allow users to post 100+ image links in a single post. It all comes down intent, when you think about it. Alex

03-25-2005, 05:27 AM	#35
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	somebody fuskered Ashley? i want pix! __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

03-25-2005, 05:28 AM	#36
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	this is what those rascally fuskers get now http://www.wantongirls.com/hotlink.html __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!