IBill legal proceedings have started... - GoFuckYourself.com

JoeA · 03-21-2005, 05:55 PM

http://boards.xbiz.com/showthread.ph...threadid=25888

If you aren't registered there, here's a cut and paste from the original post by Eurocharge:

Ibill Litigation
Broward County Case Number: CACE05003372 State Reporting Number: 062005CA003372AXXXCE
Court Type: CIVIL DIVISION - CIRCUIT COURT Case Type: CONTRACT INDEBTEDNESS
Incident Date: N/A Filing Date: 03/02/2005
Court Location: CENTRAL COURTHOUSE Case Status: OPEN
HELP

Case Parties
Relationship Last Name First Name Middle Name Party Type Sex Race D.O.B. D.O.D. ID Type ID Number
001 LOPEZ PAUL OCTAVIO AT BARID 000000983314
001 ADVANTAGE MULTIMEDIA INC PL
002 INTERNET BILLING CO LLC DF
003 AMERIWEB INC PL
005 ANGELNET PRODUCTIONS INC PL
007 BIZMEDIA LIMITED PL
009 DELAWEB INC PL
011 EVER CRYPT INC PL
013 GO-CYBER INC PL
015 GO-ONLINE INC PL
017 GO-SURF INC PL
019 LANCASTER MEDIA INC PL
021 LOW TIDE LIMITED PL
023 MARQUIS COMMUNICATIONS INC PL
025 MEDIA LOCO INC PL
027 NETMEDIA INC PL
029 REMINGTON MULTIMEDIA INC PL
031 SUN-CYBER INC PL
033 SUN-ONLINE INC PL
035 TEMPEST INTERACTIVE LIMITED PL
037 VIRTUA WEB INC PL
039 WEBJEN INC PL
GOLDSTEIN BARRY E JUDGE JUDGE 11

slapass · 03-21-2005, 07:02 PM

wow are they looking for more folks? I am a little fish.

PokerCams · 03-21-2005, 07:04 PM

ya - they owe me a few tho as well - would be interested to see if there is anyway to get included

tony286 · 03-21-2005, 07:06 PM

being part of a group action you wont see shit , only the lawyer wins.

PokerCams · 03-21-2005, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

being part of a group action you wont see shit , only the lawyer wins.

very true - but at least in that case IBill would loose and not get away with everything they have to this point

Webby · 03-21-2005, 07:08 PM

BTW.. That list is not complete. There are plenty more cases pending.

PokerCams · 03-21-2005, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webby

BTW.. That list is not complete. There are plenty more cases pending.

you have the list? post it please

MyNameIsEmily · 03-21-2005, 07:14 PM

It's about fucking time.

Too bad they left half the list out.

MyNameIsEmily · 03-21-2005, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404

being part of a group action you wont see shit , only the lawyer wins.

You'll get front row seats to see the mother fuckers burn.

tony286 · 03-21-2005, 07:18 PM

satisfaction doesnt pay the mortgage lol

Webby · 03-21-2005, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by PokerCams

you have the list? post it please

I don't have a complete list PC, but know of plenty others who have cases already pending or on the way thru at some stage at the moment.

Can't really say... but think this is a fair amount more and not just US companies.

There are also cases back to the time of InterCept which have still not been settled.

PokerCams · 03-21-2005, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404

satisfaction doesnt pay the mortgage lol

true very true - luckly wasnt dependant on it - but I feel for those which it really affected - obviously Ibill couldnt care less who eats and who doesnt - for being such a 1 time industry leader they certainly didnt fall from grace with any form of dignity - but instead decided to put the screws on everyone that they could get to continue business with them

aiken · 03-21-2005, 07:54 PM

Lawsuits are a matter of public record.

Cheers
-b

TheLegacy · 03-21-2005, 07:57 PM

and they still will come out the other side because 'greed' and 'newbies' will always be around. Unfortunately there are webmasters I talk to who are just starting out in this business who seriously wanted to go with IBill before I warned them.

Then there are others that for some $$ will post in here later on that IBill is good and you can trust them again. Its a simple pattern that has gone on for the 9 years I have been around this industry.

Good luck to everyone on the list

Veterans Day · 03-21-2005, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404

being part of a group action you wont see shit , only the lawyer wins.

still rootin for your buddys over at ibill I see, now all we need is mandy in here to complete the circle jerk

jayeff · 03-21-2005, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404

being part of a group action you wont see shit , only the lawyer wins.

Complete rubbish...

Although the vast majority of lawyers won't entertain class actions on a contingency basis (which you are talking about) unless they believe they will win (and win big), they take all the risk and often have to lay out a lot of money in advance. The downside for complainants in - for example - cases against pharmaceutical companies, is not that the lawyers cream off too much in percentage terms, but that they settle for a sum which when divided around the thousands of people who might be involved, may not appear to pay individual claimants very much.

In any case, although most class actions are fought on a contingency basis because it is usually good strategy to involve as many claimants as possible, they don't have to be. Smaller, richer groups, confident of the result, can pay hourly rates, the same as for any other action.

tony286 · 03-21-2005, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Veterans Day

still rootin for your buddys over at ibill I see, now all we need is mandy in here to complete the circle jerk

Not rooting for anyone, they owe me 20 grand. Group suits the lawyers win plain and simple.

BVF · 03-21-2005, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404

Not rooting for anyone, they owe me 20 grand. Group suits the lawyers win plain and simple.

Holy shit. I now know why you were the most optimistic muthafucka on the board!

tony286 · 03-21-2005, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BVF

Holy shit. I now know why you were the most optimistic muthafucka on the board!

Thank you someone sees the light lol

POed-poster · 03-21-2005, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404

Not rooting for anyone, they owe me 20 grand. Group suits the lawyers win plain and simple.

Yes, in drug cases when they have 3 or 4 million people as part of the class action suit. But not in cases like this. I hope thei BURIES Ibill.

Is there any way of becoming involved with any of these suits? I am still owed 30k and am currently talking with an attorney, but it might be better for me if I can be a part of one of these actions.

POed-poster · 03-21-2005, 10:42 PM

If anyone who is currently owed $$ by Ibill is interested in combining resources, LMK.

Paul Markham · 03-21-2005, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404

satisfaction doesnt pay the mortgage lol

So how do you suggest getting your money?

MsCheyenne · 03-22-2005, 12:01 AM

I have come to the resolve that the money ibill owes me is just gone and, as someone else said, the satisfaction of seeing them suffer won't pay the mortgage.

However, if ibill were to get by with this and no executives held responsible in the case they file bankruptcy and close up shop, what kind of message does that send to the next struggling cc processor of adult businesses?

I've talked to several webmasters who were taken for a tidy sum of money by other cc processors in recent years, although non nearly as big as Ibill. Hopefully, if all hell rains down on ibill and the executives held liable in the case of bankruptcy, then it should be an effective deterrent for this to happen again.

Cheyenne

SmokeyTheBear · 03-22-2005, 12:45 AM

this case is interesting , notice the "defendant"

http://www.clerk-17th-flcourts.org/b...+Selected+Case

SmokeyTheBear · 03-22-2005, 12:48 AM

that must be chi chi

SmokeyTheBear · 03-22-2005, 12:58 AM

heres a small fry suing ibill , anyone considering the same might wanna contact them

SJL Consultants,
33 Carmarthen Avenue,
Portsmouth
PO6 2AG,
England
+44 (0) 2392 421830

SmokeyTheBear · 03-22-2005, 01:00 AM

i believe this is ARS suing ibill here

http://www.clerk-17th-flcourts.org/b...+Selected+Case

SmokeyTheBear · 03-22-2005, 01:04 AM

and i think this is ars lawyer against ibill

Mark A. Goldstein
Firm: Law Office of Mark A. Goldstein

Address: 144 Central St.
Gardner, MA 01440

Phone: (978) 632-1025

Fax: (978) 632-1236

03-21-2005, 05:55 PM	#1
JoeA Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: London Posts: 568	IBill legal proceedings have started... http://boards.xbiz.com/showthread.ph...threadid=25888 If you aren't registered there, here's a cut and paste from the original post by Eurocharge: Ibill Litigation Broward County Case Number: CACE05003372 State Reporting Number: 062005CA003372AXXXCE Court Type: CIVIL DIVISION - CIRCUIT COURT Case Type: CONTRACT INDEBTEDNESS Incident Date: N/A Filing Date: 03/02/2005 Court Location: CENTRAL COURTHOUSE Case Status: OPEN HELP Case Parties Relationship Last Name First Name Middle Name Party Type Sex Race D.O.B. D.O.D. ID Type ID Number 001 LOPEZ PAUL OCTAVIO AT BARID 000000983314 001 ADVANTAGE MULTIMEDIA INC PL 002 INTERNET BILLING CO LLC DF 003 AMERIWEB INC PL 005 ANGELNET PRODUCTIONS INC PL 007 BIZMEDIA LIMITED PL 009 DELAWEB INC PL 011 EVER CRYPT INC PL 013 GO-CYBER INC PL 015 GO-ONLINE INC PL 017 GO-SURF INC PL 019 LANCASTER MEDIA INC PL 021 LOW TIDE LIMITED PL 023 MARQUIS COMMUNICATIONS INC PL 025 MEDIA LOCO INC PL 027 NETMEDIA INC PL 029 REMINGTON MULTIMEDIA INC PL 031 SUN-CYBER INC PL 033 SUN-ONLINE INC PL 035 TEMPEST INTERACTIVE LIMITED PL 037 VIRTUA WEB INC PL 039 WEBJEN INC PL GOLDSTEIN BARRY E JUDGE JUDGE 11 __________________ www.saharagetsdirty.com/ www.ravishingindians.com/ www.anglo-indian-girls.com/

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aiken Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Kona, HI Posts: 204	Lawsuits are a matter of public record. Cheers -b __________________ ICQ: 12005327

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slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,622	wow are they looking for more folks? I am a little fish.

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tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	being part of a group action you wont see shit , only the lawyer wins.

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TheLegacy SEO Connoisseur Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Brantford, Ontario Posts: 16,830	and they still will come out the other side because 'greed' and 'newbies' will always be around. Unfortunately there are webmasters I talk to who are just starting out in this business who seriously wanted to go with IBill before I warned them. Then there are others that for some $$ will post in here later on that IBill is good and you can trust them again. Its a simple pattern that has gone on for the 9 years I have been around this industry. Good luck to everyone on the list __________________ SEO Connoisseur Microsoft Teams: Robert Warren SEO Telegram: @TheLegacy54 RobertWarrenSEO.com

03-21-2005, 10:42 PM	#21
POed-poster Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,588	If anyone who is currently owed $$ by Ibill is interested in combining resources, LMK.

03-22-2005, 12:01 AM	#23
MsCheyenne Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: South Florida Posts: 412	I have come to the resolve that the money ibill owes me is just gone and, as someone else said, the satisfaction of seeing them suffer won't pay the mortgage. However, if ibill were to get by with this and no executives held responsible in the case they file bankruptcy and close up shop, what kind of message does that send to the next struggling cc processor of adult businesses? I've talked to several webmasters who were taken for a tidy sum of money by other cc processors in recent years, although non nearly as big as Ibill. Hopefully, if all hell rains down on ibill and the executives held liable in the case of bankruptcy, then it should be an effective deterrent for this to happen again. Cheyenne __________________ ClubDom.com \| SubbyHubby.com \| ClubDomCash.com Last edited by MsCheyenne; 03-22-2005 at 12:03 AM..

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SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	this case is interesting , notice the "defendant" http://www.clerk-17th-flcourts.org/b...+Selected+Case __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

03-22-2005, 12:48 AM	#25
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	that must be chi chi __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

03-22-2005, 12:58 AM	#26
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	heres a small fry suing ibill , anyone considering the same might wanna contact them SJL Consultants, 33 Carmarthen Avenue, Portsmouth PO6 2AG, England +44 (0) 2392 421830 __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

03-22-2005, 01:00 AM	#27
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	i believe this is ARS suing ibill here http://www.clerk-17th-flcourts.org/b...+Selected+Case __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

03-22-2005, 01:04 AM	#28
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	and i think this is ars lawyer against ibill Mark A. Goldstein Firm: Law Office of Mark A. Goldstein Address: 144 Central St. Gardner, MA 01440 Phone: (978) 632-1025 Fax: (978) 632-1236 __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com