Reasons Why Affiliate Programs Close Down? - Page 3 - GoFuckYourself.com

Nader · 03-03-2005, 01:35 AM

And who ever else you want to invite.. make it a happy hour type of thing

MikeHawk · 03-03-2005, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by NichePay_Nader

Your on! Make sure Mike comes

Nader... I am so there....Monday or Tuesday, you guys name the day, I am there.

Also thank you Nadar! 17 years in the nightclub biz dealing with over 75 club owners from the Sunset Strip to Beverly Hills will make it so you can "cut to the chase" dealing with people one on one is my favorite part or any biz, good or bad. I of course would rather it be good than bad, but sometimes you just dont have control over some of that.

BV · 03-03-2005, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

ahahaha - you arrogant delusional spamming sack of crap - putting your flea bitten program and your friend's program in the same sentence as Silvercash, PlantinumBucks, Lightspeed etc - u ain't shit, you are nothing but a revshare program, you don't do pay per signup - get it straight finally - u are NO better than anybody else with a revshare program - which is about 5,000 webmasters. So get off your high horse and talk to the hand my man - don't be telling anybody whether they should be running a paysite or an affiliate program until you can walk the walk and not just talk the talk.

and i presume this ridiculously pompous post is regarding WEG's announcement that Purecash is being shut down. You ain't fit to shine the shoes of either WEG or Purecash. Purecash shut down because one of the partners who could buy and sell you 100 times over wanted out of adult altogether. that's the end of that story.

if i were Lensman i'd ban you - you and your content company do nothing but spam this board day and night. buy a fucking banner - if you're such a hot program where's your banner? Hmmm..........Silvecash skinned this board, Platinum Bucks skinned this board, Lightspeed has had a banner as long as I've been here, TopBucks the same - oh gee I wonder who's missing from that list of top notch programs you refer to - could it be - oh .......Adult Lounge?

WORD

What's so funny is Raffis thread a few days ago bashing 50/50 revshare programs. http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=435080

MikeHawk · 03-03-2005, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BV

WORD

What's so funny is Raffis thread a few days ago bashing 50/50 revshare programs. http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=435080

BV · 03-03-2005, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeHawk

www.fastsize.com

Phoenix · 03-03-2005, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by LionDollars

fraud can kill a program.

L$

whats up pimp..i never thought to see you post here

Phoenix · 03-03-2005, 02:55 AM

ah..now that all the thugs and gangsters have threatened everyone with whatever they were implying,i have something to say

Rafi..can you tell us the story when you fell into the sewage ditch? and hid in the bushes so no one would see you.

love you man..lol

xclusive · 03-03-2005, 03:59 AM

great fucking post

BastarD · 03-03-2005, 04:02 AM

Nice thread

Rui · 03-03-2005, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Shoplifter

4) Expecting suckers to buy into the PPS bigger payout is better scam.

So true..

Anyway for most people revshare with good programs (like NDC in my sig

) is the way to go long term.

Most people think its all fine and easy but many expenses and trouble are in the path of those willing to have solid programs

Pretty_Lara · 03-03-2005, 05:28 AM

I think protect from spammers or testing program, I add affil programm after 4 month testing.......

$5 submissions · 03-03-2005, 06:28 AM

My impression of the ones that fail lead to one general observation:

Many RELY TOO MUCH and TOO EARLY on affiliate traffic to make their program succeed. The programs with longevity (in the case of programs that started fairly recently) are ones formed by guys who have their own independent sources of traffic.

abyss_al · 03-03-2005, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by $5 submissions

My impression of the ones that fail lead to one general observation:

Many RELY TOO MUCH and TOO EARLY on affiliate traffic to make their program succeed. The programs with longevity (in the case of programs that started fairly recently) are ones formed by guys who have their own independent sources of traffic.

on the dot gene

i keep saying you have to make ur own money/signups before adding affiliates.. without ur own traffic, its very difficult to stick around

Just_Dave · 03-03-2005, 09:43 AM

Pho sounds good guys

Cory W · 03-03-2005, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeHawk

Raffi....hell yeah buddy,

Hey also remember most people on this board and in general are socialy retarded and never had a job outside sitting behind there computer screen, and lack the very important skills with it comes down to doing real biz. Next time at the upcoming show, just stand back and watch

Being direct is the only way, right? Dont like to beat around the bush...lol

You really are missing the point. I said I felt that posting this the day after was inappropriate.

I assure you, I am far from socially retarded. In fact, I have a bit of class as I would never do anything like that. Shall we call it social awareness?

When Raffi was banned from another board, I came on and stated that I liked the guy and he should not be banned. If you want to label me "retarded" for interpretting situations poorly, use that as fuel.

Rest assured, I am probably a lot more intelligent then some may assume.

lopez · 03-03-2005, 12:30 PM

Name some programs that closed down, none i worked with or even know about did.

JFPdude · 03-03-2005, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by lopez

Name some programs that closed down, none i worked with or even know about did.

Stupidcash

MikeHawk · 03-03-2005, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory

You really are missing the point. I said I felt that posting this the day after was inappropriate.

I assure you, I am far from socially retarded. In fact, I have a bit of class as I would never do anything like that. Shall we call it social awareness?

When Raffi was banned from another board, I came on and stated that I liked the guy and he should not be banned. If you want to label me "retarded" for interpretting situations poorly, use that as fuel.

Rest assured, I am probably a lot more intelligent then some may assume.

Cory you silly man...
You must be kidding? If you read the way I posted what I said and how I said it: "most people on this board " I dont think you fall into the "most people" catagory do you?

You must agree with me there are those out there that fit that discription for sure! Look forward to seeing you in Phoenix!!!!

BVF · 03-03-2005, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by venus

There is no reason to re-think something that works for me - I have been using my merchant account since 1998 or 99, cant remember, but personally I trust my merchant bank over third party billing services any day, you may not and thats fine. This is just my personal opinion and not ment to say third party is bad, I just do not trust using them. I also like the total control I have over my money and how I process.

Why don't you use some of that money and get some new realistic saline boobs slapped up in your chest? They don't have saline in Russia?

BergyK · 03-03-2005, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Just_Dave

Pho sounds good guys

lmao! You and the damn PHO Dave. Whenever there is a PHO topic your in it.

Rui · 03-03-2005, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BVF

Why don't you use some of that money and get some new realistic saline boobs slapped up in your chest? They don't have saline in Russia?

dammm that was harsh

/waits for comeback

WWC · 03-03-2005, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BV

WORD

What's so funny is Raffis thread a few days ago bashing 50/50 revshare programs. http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=435080

Read my thread your fuckface...i never bash ANYONE! And i sure didnt bash programs with 50/50 rev share.... I only ask questions for discussion....I also have a 50/50 rev share you dumbass! Why would i bash programs if i am one of them...

PS: You never see me be unprofessional and use profanity but when your a lying sack of shit...that starts to piss me off!

JFPdude · 03-03-2005, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultLoungeRaffi

Read my thread your fuckface...i never bash ANYONE! blah blah....I also have a 50/50 rev share you dumbass! blah blah
PS: You never see me be unprofessional and use profanity but when your a lying sack of shit...that starts to piss me off!

Sorry struck me funny bones LOL

Cory W · 03-03-2005, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeHawk

Cory you silly man...
You must be kidding? If you read the way I posted what I said and how I said it: "most people on this board " I dont think you fall into the "most people" catagory do you?

You must agree with me there are those out there that fit that discription for sure! Look forward to seeing you in Phoenix!!!!

No worries, we just got our wires crossed.

I look forward to seeing you as well.

xxxdesign-net · 03-03-2005, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

if i were Lensman i'd ban you - you and your content company do nothing but spam this board day and night. buy a fucking banner - if you're such a hot program where's your banner?

Where's the "pot calling the kettle black" smiley?

Btw.. when is the next edition of your Nikki Nevada bi-weekly spam threads.. ?

Rinaldo · 03-03-2005, 02:33 PM

It's simple...
Sales.
You can't run a company and not know how to promote it properly.

WWC · 03-03-2005, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory

I don't care if he spams. I am the last one to care. I have things to do other than care about the context of his threads. If I cared, I would complain. Weg, although not on Raffi's list, does advertise here. Our complaints are taken serious.

His post was timely as it closely followed our Purecash announcement. It created a thread with misinformation, something we (I) strive not to allow to happen. Sure, it is "ok" to start a thread, but sometimes paying attention to the surrounding environment benefits everyone.

If a program makes a change on Monday, you go make a thread about the context of it on Tuesday without naming the company, it is logical to assume what will unfold.

Yes, i understand your point...i have been so busy and swamped with projects, i havent able to keep up with everyones news...but i honestly didnt know and dont know how else to assure you that my post not due to that...and besides lets forget about Purecash and talk about the topic i originally was interested to hear on why affiliate programs can close doors? any input on that?

ps; i hear good things about WEG and you Cory ;-) let me buy you a drink or two just to introduce myself at the next show

Cory W · 03-03-2005, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultLoungeRaffi

ps; i hear good things about WEG and you Cory ;-) let me buy you a drink or two just to introduce myself at the next show

All good. Wires get crossed on boards. Looks like ours did.

Lets have a drink for sure

martyVP · 03-03-2005, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by NichePay_Nader

Your on! Make sure Mike comes

I'm in...just let me know when, after all I started the Pho Phonomenon.

BV · 03-03-2005, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultLoungeRaffi

Read my thread your fuckface...i never bash ANYONE! And i sure didnt bash programs with 50/50 rev share.... I only ask questions for discussion....I also have a 50/50 rev share you dumbass! Why would i bash programs if i am one of them...

PS: You never see me be unprofessional and use profanity but when your a lying sack of shit...that starts to piss me off!

Raffi,

You're the one that needs to read the thread again. I know you run a 50/50 revshare that's was my WHOLE reason I posted in that thread! Read it again bro.

I don't lie and I can see through your posts wich are 99.9% Spam telling us how great you are. I always am helping people here and on other boards, check my posts.

You my friend constantly spam and even had the balls to cry to other board owners about it when they moved or deleted your posts. GG's to be exact. wah wah wah, you moved my post wah wah wah. Real professional dude! lol, I would post that url but I'm to professional to do so and respect Lens rules.

All you do is spam your 100+ sites and tell us how great you are. It gets old dude. bla bla bla adult lounge is the greatest with over 100 bla bla bla, dam it gets old.

Congratulations on being the first one ever for me to get fed up with their bullshit and express myself accordingly...........as usually I just let it ride whe someone irritates me.

You fucking spam your shit way too much (and for GFY that's allot) and are not very professional for that reason alone. Just admit it and move on and actually try to help a few people along the way and you might be able to gain the respect of those whom you have lost it with.

Cheers,
BV

Platinum Dave · 03-03-2005, 04:11 PM

New Program + Buys CROSS SELLS (easy to get now a days)

= TROUBLE

Platinum Dave · 03-03-2005, 04:19 PM

I just read a few more posts in this thread.

My last post is simply responding to the title of the thread.

"Why affiliate programs shut down."

No suggestions of any sort towards any particular programs.

Cross sells are a killer, they are easily obtained and attractive to buy... but are very dangerous and can get out of hand really fast.

Alex · 03-03-2005, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultLoungeRaffi

I see some affiliate programs out there still only with a rev share program of 50/50? How can they compete? Would you promote a program with only a 50/50 rev share available?

Please explain...

That is too fucking funny

WWC · 03-03-2005, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BV

Raffi,

You're the one that needs to read the thread again. I know you run a 50/50 revshare that's was my WHOLE reason I posted in that thread! Read it again bro.

I don't lie and I can see through your posts wich are 99.9% Spam telling us how great you are. I always am helping people here and on other boards, check my posts.

You my friend constantly spam and even had the balls to cry to other board owners about it when they moved or deleted your posts. GG's to be exact. wah wah wah, you moved my post wah wah wah. Real professional dude! lol, I would post that url but I'm to professional to do so and respect Lens rules.

All you do is spam your 100+ sites and tell us how great you are. It gets old dude. bla bla bla adult lounge is the greatest with over 100 bla bla bla, dam it gets old.

Congratulations on being the first one ever for me to get fed up with their bullshit and express myself accordingly...........as usually I just let it ride whe someone irritates me.

You fucking spam your shit way too much (and for GFY that's allot) and are not very professional for that reason alone. Just admit it and move on and actually try to help a few people along the way and you might be able to gain the respect of those whom you have lost it with.

Cheers,
BV

Your a bunch of BS....yes, i do promote my company and why shouldnt i....you are wrong thats NOT all i post...i have many interesting discussion and fun threads....I think your just not confident enough with your own program and afraid of competition...or just likes to bitch like a little girl. And again this is the first time i have responded to anyone like this simply because of your lies and wrongful accusations... fyi, here are some threads which DONT just promote my program....enjoy it...and move on...your just trying so hard to jump on a broken bandwagon TRYING to make me look like a spammer, you weisel...

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=439288
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=438881
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=438407
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=438356

i can post a lot more but your wasting my time now....

BV · 03-03-2005, 10:23 PM

Raffi,

No BS here dude, and I'm not the only one that feels the same.

Saying I am lying about accusing you of bashing the 50/50 revshare model? That's lame. READ THE THREAD Maybe I could have used another word besides bashing but I explained myself in that thread very clearly what I thought your intentions were. Let's dissect it:

Posted By Raffi: I see some affiliate programs out there still only with a rev share program of 50/50? How can they compete? Would you promote a program with only a 50/50 rev share available?

To me that post insinuates that you are trying to push the idea that 50/50 revshare programs are sub par and have a hard time competing against programs with PPS also.

You then go on to say that most of your affiliates are revshare and that just confirms all the more why that post was so dumb because if that is true and I suspect it is, then you already know the answer to your question.

As far as me being not confident of my program BV CASH is not true. BV has been around for a long time and I am a professional in my niche and my sites, hosted galleries and content are time tested proven moneymakers designed by me with content mostly shot by me.

You even have content that I shot on some of your tours in adultlounge so I am even more confident now seeing how you have the best program and all. doh

I don't have to constantly spew spam out!

You can call me a liar and a bullshitter all you want but everyone that knows me knows that I am neither.

So with that said I bow down to you all mighty master!

Good luck with your business and have a nice day!

WWC · 03-03-2005, 11:25 PM

[QUOTE=BV]Raffi,

No BS here dude, and I'm not the only one that feels the same.

Saying I am lying about accusing you of bashing the 50/50 revshare model? That's lame. READ THE THREAD Maybe I could have used another word besides bashing but I explained myself in that thread very clearly what I thought your intentions were. Let's dissect it:

Posted By Raffi: I see some affiliate programs out there still only with a rev share program of 50/50? How can they compete? Would you promote a program with only a 50/50 rev share available?

To me that post insinuates that you are trying to push the idea that 50/50 revshare programs are sub par and have a hard time competing against programs with PPS also.

Listen meng, even my program is mostly rev share....i dont even pay on trials ( yet ), most of our affiliates make money with rev share rather than pps, and they know that i am not even close in being competitive with all those pps programs but they love our program cause we know how to keep members!

SO answer me this question .... How do you think my original post is trying to bash rev share program when I AM ONE ALSO? READ it...stop ASSuming cause its making an ASS out of you...I asked those question cause i wanted to know how people would react about rev share programs and how can rev share programs compete ( WHICH I AM ONE OF THEM ) with pps programs? There i made it more clear for you that AdultLounge.com is mostly a rev share program...is that what you wanted to hear? So next time dont assume things...Listen to yourself ...

" Saying I am lying about accusing you of bashing the 50/50 revshare model? That's lame. READ THE THREAD Maybe I could have used another word besides bashing but I explained myself in that thread very clearly what I thought your intentions were. Let's dissect it: "

"...I explained myself in that thread very clearly what I thought your intentions were. " - YOU THOUGHT THATS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY....WRONG!!! Hope you can see the picture here....

Besides how long have you been in this business or industry? How old are you 22? You've got a long way to go kid....i'll give you an educational seminar ( for free ) when we meet...

ps; oh wow...wait a minute.....sorry about all these...i just realized why you have been so defensive and not confident or threatened by PPS programs, thats cause BVCash.com is only a rev share program....now i got it...should have visited your site before wasting my time but its ok...this thread might have helped you out....stick with rev share...its safe and you may be around for a long time by not loosing money paying per sign up...we started the same way....rev share only....but this month AdultLounge.com Version 4.0 will be out with 7 ways of making money...pps also ( but not that high )

so back to the original post...uhhhh what was it again...oh ya....why do you think affiliate programs close? what are some of the reasons?

BV · 03-04-2005, 01:18 AM

Raffi,

Not that it should matter but since you are so professional and brought it up......I'm probably older than you (38) and started BikiniVoyeur in 1999.

Like I first stated, I'm a professional in my niche. That's why content that I shot is all over a couple of your tours and in your member sites. Because I know what I'm doing and am a professional.

As far as what reasons I think cause aff programs close? I would be speculating if I were to say for sure but i'd guess it all boils down to when they quit turning a profit. It doesen't happen all that often from what I see.

WWC · 03-04-2005, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BV

Raffi,

Not that it should matter but since you are so professional and brought it up......I'm probably older than you (38) and started BikiniVoyeur in 1999.

Like I first stated, I'm a professional in my niche. That's why content that I shot is all over a couple of your tours and in your member sites. Because I know what I'm doing and am a professional.

As far as what reasons I think cause aff programs close? I would be speculating if I were to say for sure but i'd guess it all boils down to when they quit turning a profit. It doesen't happen all that often from what I see.

Oh wow...i would like to know what content of yours is on my tour and members area??? Which site of ours? Please icq me ...i am very curious on what your talking about?

LeeNoga · 03-04-2005, 04:05 PM

Who knows, who cares, as long as the strong survive.

WWC · 03-05-2005, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by LeeNoga

Who knows, who cares, as long as the strong survive.

Hi LeeNoga, well those that dont survive is what we would like to discuss on reasons...you've been in this industry a long time, maybe some of your input on some reasons which may force an affiliate program to close? \

Dagwolf · 03-05-2005, 02:42 AM

Maybe today's not a good day to announce my new affiliate program...

bigdog · 03-05-2005, 05:56 AM

you say you are going to have pps, but if you are not paying out on trials it really isn't pps

BV · 03-05-2005, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultLoungeRaffi

Oh wow...i would like to know what content of yours is on my tour and members area??? Which site of ours? Please icq me ...i am very curious on what your talking about?

Raffi,

I shot most of the stuff on the following sites in AdultLounge:

http://www.youngwildgirls.com/index1.html

http://www.springbreakhoes.com/spring_break_hoes.html

Don't get me wrong. I'm not accusing you of any theft or any wrong doing with the content on there.

I just thought I would point it out to you after your lame comments towards me:

posted by raffi: Besides how long have you been in this business or industry? How old are you 22? You've got a long way to go kid....i'll give you an educational seminar ( for free ) when we meet...

Just shows how much you know or don't know in this case and how professional or unprofessional you may be.

Let's just drop this.

I said what I needed to say and apparently you think that you did nothing wrong in regards to some of your threads here. That's fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and we both expressed them.

Whomever reads this can make up their own mind.

Cheers.
BV

WWC · 03-06-2005, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigdog

you say you are going to have pps, but if you are not paying out on trials it really isn't pps

Well if you read our terms carefully we do pay on PPS on the trials...yes its low but we do...we currently pay $10 on trials...and then $25 more when it converts to monthly ( and we DO convert well ) ...

also, this month March we will be launching AdultLounge Version 4.0 which will have 7 New Profitable Programs with higher pay per sign up ON TRIALS..its not $35 or up to $50 per trial but it will be $15 per trial for now...we just play it safe in the business to be here for a long time....i personally think programs paying very very high pps on trials are in high risk of not being able to continue..

what PPS amount would you think is good enough for someone who prefers this payout program rather than rev share?

Sly · 03-06-2005, 11:43 PM

You're paying $10 on trials? Raffi, my average income per trial with rev-share programs is $15-30 across the board. Your offer of $10 is not very attractive at all and to be looking down upon other programs, like you have in this thread, is really quite silly.

For trials, minimum payout of $20, and the sites better be HOT. Otherwise you can't compete with the others...

WWC · 03-07-2005, 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BV

Raffi,

I shot most of the stuff on the following sites in AdultLounge:

http://www.youngwildgirls.com/index1.html

http://www.springbreakhoes.com/spring_break_hoes.html

Don't get me wrong. I'm not accusing you of any theft or any wrong doing with the content on there.

I just thought I would point it out to you after your lame comments towards me:

posted by raffi: Besides how long have you been in this business or industry? How old are you 22? You've got a long way to go kid....i'll give you an educational seminar ( for free ) when we meet...

Just shows how much you know or don't know in this case and how professional or unprofessional you may be.

Let's just drop this.

I said what I needed to say and apparently you think that you did nothing wrong in regards to some of your threads here. That's fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and we both expressed them.

Whomever reads this can make up their own mind.

Cheers.
BV

I dont know how you "shot" the content on those sites because they are property of Real Wild Girls who AdultLounge has exclusive membership site distribution agreement....so i am going to looking into this and your statement you are making....

Pornwolf · 03-07-2005, 02:15 AM

This thread went bad really fast. Scary. Let this be the last post.

BV · 03-07-2005, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultLoungeRaffi

I dont know how you "shot" the content on those sites because they are property of Real Wild Girls who AdultLounge has exclusive membership site distribution agreement....so i am going to looking into this and your statement you are making....

Look into it all you want. I shot that content for RealWildGirls and for my use on BVCash. Terry has also sold this content to other companies such as Jason & Alex http://www.wetwildandwasted.com/index2.html and several others that I have run across. Look familiar.

That's me on the left from last year (notice my shirt and stage pass?):

Seems that you're getting the free educational seminar now huh?

FYI: I won't be doing any more shooting for them this year except for what I already shot for them this past weekend for their new SOIL rock group project. I'll be sticking to my own exclusive content & venues as I did in the beginning.

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Rinaldo Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: South Florida Posts: 5,086	It's simple... Sales. You can't run a company and not know how to promote it properly.

03-03-2005, 04:19 PM	#132
Platinum Dave Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,441	I just read a few more posts in this thread. My last post is simply responding to the title of the thread. "Why affiliate programs shut down." No suggestions of any sort towards any particular programs. Cross sells are a killer, they are easily obtained and attractive to buy... but are very dangerous and can get out of hand really fast. __________________ Check out Adult Rental - Only Pay Per Signup VOD!

03-03-2005, 10:23 PM	#135
BV wtf Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Bikini State, FL USA Posts: 10,914	Raffi, No BS here dude, and I'm not the only one that feels the same. Saying I am lying about accusing you of bashing the 50/50 revshare model? That's lame. READ THE THREAD Maybe I could have used another word besides bashing but I explained myself in that thread very clearly what I thought your intentions were. Let's dissect it: Posted By Raffi: I see some affiliate programs out there still only with a rev share program of 50/50? How can they compete? Would you promote a program with only a 50/50 rev share available? To me that post insinuates that you are trying to push the idea that 50/50 revshare programs are sub par and have a hard time competing against programs with PPS also. You then go on to say that most of your affiliates are revshare and that just confirms all the more why that post was so dumb because if that is true and I suspect it is, then you already know the answer to your question. As far as me being not confident of my program BV CASH is not true. BV has been around for a long time and I am a professional in my niche and my sites, hosted galleries and content are time tested proven moneymakers designed by me with content mostly shot by me. You even have content that I shot on some of your tours in adultlounge so I am even more confident now seeing how you have the best program and all. doh I don't have to constantly spew spam out! You can call me a liar and a bullshitter all you want but everyone that knows me knows that I am neither. So with that said I bow down to you all mighty master! Good luck with your business and have a nice day!

03-03-2005, 11:25 PM	#136
WWC #1 Adult Content Provider Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Glendale, Ca Posts: 11,577	[QUOTE=BV]Raffi, No BS here dude, and I'm not the only one that feels the same. Saying I am lying about accusing you of bashing the 50/50 revshare model? That's lame. READ THE THREAD Maybe I could have used another word besides bashing but I explained myself in that thread very clearly what I thought your intentions were. Let's dissect it: Posted By Raffi: I see some affiliate programs out there still only with a rev share program of 50/50? How can they compete? Would you promote a program with only a 50/50 rev share available? To me that post insinuates that you are trying to push the idea that 50/50 revshare programs are sub par and have a hard time competing against programs with PPS also. Listen meng, even my program is mostly rev share....i dont even pay on trials ( yet ), most of our affiliates make money with rev share rather than pps, and they know that i am not even close in being competitive with all those pps programs but they love our program cause we know how to keep members! SO answer me this question .... How do you think my original post is trying to bash rev share program when I AM ONE ALSO? READ it...stop ASSuming cause its making an ASS out of you...I asked those question cause i wanted to know how people would react about rev share programs and how can rev share programs compete ( WHICH I AM ONE OF THEM ) with pps programs? There i made it more clear for you that AdultLounge.com is mostly a rev share program...is that what you wanted to hear? So next time dont assume things...Listen to yourself ... " Saying I am lying about accusing you of bashing the 50/50 revshare model? That's lame. READ THE THREAD Maybe I could have used another word besides bashing but I explained myself in that thread very clearly what I thought your intentions were. Let's dissect it: " "...I explained myself in that thread very clearly what I thought your intentions were. " - YOU THOUGHT THATS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY....WRONG!!! Hope you can see the picture here.... Besides how long have you been in this business or industry? How old are you 22? You've got a long way to go kid....i'll give you an educational seminar ( for free ) when we meet... ps; oh wow...wait a minute.....sorry about all these...i just realized why you have been so defensive and not confident or threatened by PPS programs, thats cause BVCash.com is only a rev share program....now i got it...should have visited your site before wasting my time but its ok...this thread might have helped you out....stick with rev share...its safe and you may be around for a long time by not loosing money paying per sign up...we started the same way....rev share only....but this month AdultLounge.com Version 4.0 will be out with 7 ways of making money...pps also ( but not that high ) so back to the original post...uhhhh what was it again...oh ya....why do you think affiliate programs close? what are some of the reasons? __________________ [email protected] ICQ : 494-353-230 Follow WWC on Twitter CLICK HERE! " CONTENT PROVIDER OF THE YEAR! " ~ 2007 , 2008 & 2009 XBIZ AWARDS WINNER! .......www.WorldWideContent.com / www.WorldWideFeeds.com...... WWC Nominated " Content Licensor of The Year " 2010 XBiz Awards !!!

03-04-2005, 01:18 AM	#137
BV wtf Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Bikini State, FL USA Posts: 10,914	Raffi, Not that it should matter but since you are so professional and brought it up......I'm probably older than you (38) and started BikiniVoyeur in 1999. Like I first stated, I'm a professional in my niche. That's why content that I shot is all over a couple of your tours and in your member sites. Because I know what I'm doing and am a professional. As far as what reasons I think cause aff programs close? I would be speculating if I were to say for sure but i'd guess it all boils down to when they quit turning a profit. It doesen't happen all that often from what I see.

03-04-2005, 04:05 PM	#139
LeeNoga Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Egg & Sperm Mutation Posts: 3,043	Who knows, who cares, as long as the strong survive.

03-05-2005, 02:42 AM	#141
Dagwolf President of Canada Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Leaving Hell, Entering Limbo Posts: 23,141	Maybe today's not a good day to announce my new affiliate program... __________________ Sleep well, and dream of large women.

03-05-2005, 05:56 AM	#142
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	you say you are going to have pps, but if you are not paying out on trials it really isn't pps

03-06-2005, 11:43 PM	#145
Sly Let's do some business! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 31,339	You're paying $10 on trials? Raffi, my average income per trial with rev-share programs is $15-30 across the board. Your offer of $10 is not very attractive at all and to be looking down upon other programs, like you have in this thread, is really quite silly. For trials, minimum payout of $20, and the sites better be HOT. Otherwise you can't compete with the others... __________________ Vacares - Web Hosting, Domains, O365, Security & More - Paxum and BTC Accepted Windows VPS now available Great for TSS, Nifty Stats, remote work, virtual assistants, etc. Click here for more details.

03-07-2005, 02:15 AM	#147
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	This thread went bad really fast. Scary. Let this be the last post. __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.