Who do you respect more? A gallery submitter or a mailer? - GoFuckYourself.com

clickclickclick · 02-14-2005, 01:53 PM

So what do you respect more?

a gallery submitter or a mailer?
a freesite maker or a black hat seo?
a tgp/mgp owner or a cj/cj2 site owner?
a honest sponsor or a "shady in your favor" sponsor?

SykkBoy · 02-14-2005, 01:54 PM

whoever is going to make me the most amount of money with the least amount of hassle...

jt420 · 02-14-2005, 01:55 PM

honesty is the best policy.

clickclickclick · 02-14-2005, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SykkBoy2

whoever is going to make me the most amount of money with the least amount of hassle...

ok, so you would install trojans/spyware/dialers, hijack signups and spam their mailbox if it was easy to do?

cheapbulletproof · 02-14-2005, 02:00 PM

a mailers

polish_aristocrat · 02-14-2005, 02:02 PM

if someone makes $15k by submitting and the other makes also $15k by mailing, I respect the submitter more

but more than the submitter, I would respect the tgp owner

and more than the TGP owner, I would respect a guy who makes that amount of money with SEO

rollinOn20s · 02-14-2005, 02:04 PM

Wow, i generally thought people were judged on the personality and character, rather than, their job title. Attitude like this man, YOU are going nowhere fast.

clickclickclick · 02-14-2005, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by cheapbulletproof

a mailers

i understand why and i respect that in your case.

There is money to be made in adult, and the more unethical you get, the more you can potentially make.

I ask this because i respect the guys who does this shit true and honest.

Pornwolf · 02-14-2005, 02:07 PM

So which one puts the least free porn on the interweb? That's the one.

smack · 02-14-2005, 02:08 PM

i repsect who ever earns it. i don't care who they are, or what they do for a living. it's just about what kind of person they are.

clickclickclick · 02-14-2005, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rollinOn20s

Wow, i generally thought people were judged on the personality and character, rather than, their job title. Attitude like this man, YOU are going nowhere fast.

This is a business. You are judge by the skills you bring to the table. If you deal with people based on personality and character only, then good luck on your ventures.

clickclickclick · 02-14-2005, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

if someone makes $15k by submitting and the other makes also $15k by mailing, I respect the submitter more

but more than the submitter, I would respect the tgp owner

and more than the TGP owner, I would respect a guy who makes that amount of money with SEO

seo aint hard.. but it borders ethics depending what you do.
so i agree with you.

polish_aristocrat · 02-14-2005, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by clickclickclick

seo aint hard.. .

not sure about that

making a gallery ( or buying templates if you dont have the designer skills ) is easy and cheap, geting content is easy, submitting is easy etc, if your gallery is good, buying spots is easy

but with SEO, well, most people dont have any clue where to start and they dont get any SE traffic on their own

rollinOn20s · 02-14-2005, 02:19 PM

[QUOTE=clickclickclick]This is a business. You are judge by the skills you bring to the table. If you deal with people based on personality and character only, then good luck on your ventures.[/QUOTE

You took this comment the wrong way. You made it sound like you dont care about trust or honesty, only a 'title' of someone. Thats all dude!

clickclickclick · 02-14-2005, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

not sure about that

making a gallery ( or buying templates if you dont have the designer skills ) is easy and cheap, geting content is easy, submitting is easy etc, if your gallery is good, buying spots is easy

but with SEO, well, most people dont have any clue where to start and they dont get any SE traffic on their own

well i say its easy because u can always re-engineer top listings.
besides the established sites with good backlinks, its not hard getting listed on a term that is realistic. And seo isnt just free listings, its paid as well. Good seo's will do both in parrallel to adjust short and long term positioning.

clickclickclick · 02-14-2005, 02:23 PM

[QUOTE=rollinOn20s]

Quote:

Originally Posted by clickclickclick

This is a business. You are judge by the skills you bring to the table. If you deal with people based on personality and character only, then good luck on your ventures.[/QUOTE

You took this comment the wrong way. You made it sound like you dont care about trust or honesty, only a 'title' of someone. Thats all dude!

Im sorry then. I wasnt implying title but by the skillset they bring.

groark · 02-14-2005, 02:25 PM

I respect the one who knows how to pull the most money out of things..

Rui · 02-14-2005, 02:25 PM

The gallery submitter, which is making his money in a honest way without pissing lots of people, creating extra expenses,etc...

Major (Tom) · 02-14-2005, 02:25 PM

gallery submitter.

Duke

dunefield · 02-14-2005, 02:26 PM

goats deserve more respect

luv$ · 02-14-2005, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pornwolf

So which one puts the least free porn on the interweb? That's the one.

I'm with wolf on this one.

Pornwolf · 02-14-2005, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dunefield

goats deserve more respect

Yes, goats, definitely.

Rorschach · 02-14-2005, 02:53 PM

I respect the person who makes the most money with the least amount of work, by working smarter not harder... and by not ripping off other webmasters... being a webmaster is kind of like being in a theives' guild.

Manansala · 02-14-2005, 03:03 PM

I respect the man I see in the mirror whatever he's doing.
EDIT: Yes! Goats! http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=431692

Wizzo · 02-14-2005, 03:06 PM

Which is sending to Porn DVD Dollars ?

clickclickclick · 02-14-2005, 11:26 PM

goats. haha.

hydro · 02-14-2005, 11:32 PM

I respect anyone who works for thier money and shows respect back. I doesnt matter to me if they are new the industry and learning how to build galleries or if thier out there coding ie exploits and infecting millions with spyware. Hustlers respect hustlin

Young · 02-14-2005, 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rollinOn20s

Wow, i generally thought people were judged on the personality and character, rather than, their job title. Attitude like this man, YOU are going nowhere fast.

weird theory...doesn't apply to all jobs.

a gallery submitter or a mailer? gallery submitter
a freesite maker or a black hat seo? toss-up
a tgp/mgp owner or a cj/cj2 site owner? tgp/mgp
a honest sponsor or a "shady in your favor" sponsor? honest sponsor... what shady sponsor is going to be in your favor??? They'd just do the shadyness to benefit themselves. Cut the middle man out.

Theo · 02-14-2005, 11:44 PM

shady blackhat mailer of course

SykkBoy · 02-14-2005, 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clickclickclick

ok, so you would install trojans/spyware/dialers, hijack signups and spam their mailbox if it was easy to do?

it's all about risk vs. reward
I don't see installing trojans as worth the reward...

let's put it this way

would you rather have a mailer sending you 100 sales per day with only a handful of complaints or a gallery submitter who sends you 10 (if that) per day and always needs free content, bandwidth, hosting, resources, etc.?

let's say it's even, let's say you have a poor mailer who only gets you 10 sales per day and 3-4 complaints (believe me, I run true double opt-in mailers and I still get my share of odd complaints) or the gallery guy who sends you 10 salews per day and you now have to provide them more content, hosting and generally more handholding? The mailer, you give them the codes and creatives an they are off and running...the submitter needs all of these extra resources (and contributes to even more free porn on the Internet)?

now, let's say you are a business owner and the submitter(s) need more assistance and you now have to hire another program rep (or 2 or 3) and that costs you more money vs. a part-time rep who has to deal with the mailers (make sure they are running clean and within your TOS)...which path do you take?

remember, not all mailers are blanket spammers...

I think everyone should have their own email collectors on everything they build and start legally mailing their own lists...over time they'll see more money (if they do it right) than just submitting and praying they get accepted.

clickclickclick · 02-15-2005, 12:08 AM

I agree that in the end, signups count and im certain that many mailers can do circles around gallery submitters. (excluding paid spots)

I would think instinctively that since mailers/blackhat seo's make more signups, that they are more respected then gallery submitters.

But that being said, a spyware program with the capabilities to go virial can do circles around mailers....

I know enough about what goes on to understand who does what and sometimes what methodologies they use to get their results. im just not sure that they can be respected.

emthree · 02-15-2005, 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hydro

I respect anyone who works for thier money and shows respect back. I doesnt matter to me if they are new the industry and learning how to build galleries or if thier out there coding ie exploits and infecting millions with spyware. Hustlers respect hustlin

preach on

I respect guys that hold their own weight, and pave their own roads. The one thing I hate the most, is copycats and copycat methods

clickclickclick · 02-15-2005, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by emthree

preach on

I respect guys that hold their own weight, and pave their own roads. The one thing I hate the most, is copycats and copycat methods

we all started from some sort of example, So i dont understand your copycat's ideologies. I mean, who hasnt copied a methodology, products, or services in this industry?

hydro · 02-15-2005, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by clickclickclick

we all started from some sort of example, So i dont understand your copycat's ideologies. I mean, who hasnt copied a methodology, products, or services in this industry?

i think he's talking about the cookie cutter sites, gallery thieves, and people who take content then go resell it.

digifan · 02-15-2005, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

gallery submitter.

Duke

Der Schleicher · 02-15-2005, 03:33 AM

as long as there is mutual gain for both parties.

Corleone · 02-15-2005, 03:38 AM

I respect all that are honest and hard working

SomeCreep · 02-15-2005, 03:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clickclickclick

So what do you respect more?

a gallery submitter or a mailer?
a freesite maker or a black hat seo?
a tgp/mgp owner or a cj/cj2 site owner?
a honest sponsor or a "shady in your favor" sponsor?

All and none of the above. I respect those who accomplish much and still retain humility.

Rui · 02-15-2005, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SomeCreep

All and none of the above. I respect those who accomplish much and still retain humility.

Thats pretty hard to find, specialy in this industry

Basic_man · 02-15-2005, 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SykkBoy2

whoever is going to make me the most amount of money with the least amount of hassle...

Haha, that's my awnser too :D

JFPdude · 02-15-2005, 07:03 AM

Ok I have had enough coffee for this one ...

Once I'm done I will be flamed to death but here goes:

Fuck the freeloaders.

As stated this is business.

In all other businesses there is no hand holding, No freebies unless you produce a certain amount of sales.

Fuck the free hosting.
Charge the affiliates for a media package that includes the content. In fact do what every other affiliate program does ... charge the affiliate to become an affiliate.

This bullshit of handing everything out because it may produce a sale is just that bullshit.

I have never asked a sponsor to pay for my domains or my hosting.
Some of my sponsors offer it and I refuse.

Content yes I have asked for that. But know what I'm willing to eat my own words. I'd be willing to pay for a media kit just like I would be expected to in any other sales affiliate position.

Ask the Avon lady where she gets her sales kit from and how much it costs. Just like amway, fuller brush, etc etc etc

The sponsors have gotten to soft trying to allow these balloonheads to stay in business and it's filling up the net with so much bullshit it's crazy.

We have fucked ourselves as an industry trying to give affiliates what they want. Visa has us cut back to 1%. How much more can we endure?

I know the porn industry will always be here and I want to be a part of it but lets start running it like a business not like a fraking freak show.

Business = Ethics Most of the clowns here couldn't grasp the idea of real ethics.

JFPdude · 02-15-2005, 07:46 AM

wow one little post from me and I kill the thread huh?

gxer · 02-15-2005, 07:51 AM

a gallery submitter
a freesite maker
a tgp/mgp owner
a honest sponsor

Rui · 02-15-2005, 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFPdude

Ok I have had enough coffee for this one ...

Once I'm done I will be flamed to death but here goes:

Fuck the freeloaders.

As stated this is business.

In all other businesses there is no hand holding, No freebies unless you produce a certain amount of sales.

Fuck the free hosting.
Charge the affiliates for a media package that includes the content. In fact do what every other affiliate program does ... charge the affiliate to become an affiliate.

This bullshit of handing everything out because it may produce a sale is just that bullshit.

I have never asked a sponsor to pay for my domains or my hosting.
Some of my sponsors offer it and I refuse.

Content yes I have asked for that. But know what I'm willing to eat my own words. I'd be willing to pay for a media kit just like I would be expected to in any other sales affiliate position.

Ask the Avon lady where she gets her sales kit from and how much it costs. Just like amway, fuller brush, etc etc etc

The sponsors have gotten to soft trying to allow these balloonheads to stay in business and it's filling up the net with so much bullshit it's crazy.

We have fucked ourselves as an industry trying to give affiliates what they want. Visa has us cut back to 1%. How much more can we endure?

I know the porn industry will always be here and I want to be a part of it but lets start running it like a business not like a fraking freak show.

Business = Ethics Most of the clowns here couldn't grasp the idea of real ethics.

Freehosting, FreeHostedGallerys, Free Domain's,etc.. are bad IMHO to this industry, but most people look at this in the short term so it seems

Dalai lama · 02-15-2005, 07:55 AM

depends on the person behind the site or project

xlogger · 02-15-2005, 08:05 AM

1] a gallery submitter or a mailer?
2] a freesite maker or a black hat seo?
3] a tgp/mgp owner or a cj/cj2 site owner?
4] a honest sponsor or a "shady in your favor" sponsor?

mailer
black hat seo
tgp/mgp
shady in your favor

Lykos · 02-15-2005, 09:40 AM

Anyone who makes money and lives from that what he made

detoxed · 02-15-2005, 09:44 AM

Why would I respect any of them? I dont go around respecting random people for no reason, regardless of their job description.

gdog · 02-15-2005, 09:53 AM

Honesty is the best policy.
I respect those who run an honest business and do not put all of us at risk each day by doing shady shit. I don't want to move out of the US just so I can stay in adult. Its the shady fuckers that are making it hard for honest guys to make a living.

My 2 cents.

El Duderino · 02-15-2005, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by detoxed

Why would I respect any of them? I dont go around respecting random people for no reason, regardless of their job description.

Well said.

I don't respect my mailman more than my paperboy.

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rollinOn20s Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: ontario Posts: 2,006	[QUOTE=clickclickclick]This is a business. You are judge by the skills you bring to the table. If you deal with people based on personality and character only, then good luck on your ventures.[/QUOTE You took this comment the wrong way. You made it sound like you dont care about trust or honesty, only a 'title' of someone. Thats all dude! __________________ Trade With xApsters Thumb TGP's Today - Some Of The Biggest and Best On The Net!

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clickclickclick Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,227	I agree that in the end, signups count and im certain that many mailers can do circles around gallery submitters. (excluding paid spots) I would think instinctively that since mailers/blackhat seo's make more signups, that they are more respected then gallery submitters. But that being said, a spyware program with the capabilities to go virial can do circles around mailers.... I know enough about what goes on to understand who does what and sometimes what methodologies they use to get their results. im just not sure that they can be respected. __________________ if you need more than 3 clicks to get to a join page, something is wrong ;) p.s. i still bring the sales whores here.

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JFPdude Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Mountains of Western North Carolina. Posts: 4,027	Ok I have had enough coffee for this one ... Once I'm done I will be flamed to death but here goes: Fuck the freeloaders. As stated this is business. In all other businesses there is no hand holding, No freebies unless you produce a certain amount of sales. Fuck the free hosting. Charge the affiliates for a media package that includes the content. In fact do what every other affiliate program does ... charge the affiliate to become an affiliate. This bullshit of handing everything out because it may produce a sale is just that bullshit. I have never asked a sponsor to pay for my domains or my hosting. Some of my sponsors offer it and I refuse. Content yes I have asked for that. But know what I'm willing to eat my own words. I'd be willing to pay for a media kit just like I would be expected to in any other sales affiliate position. Ask the Avon lady where she gets her sales kit from and how much it costs. Just like amway, fuller brush, etc etc etc The sponsors have gotten to soft trying to allow these balloonheads to stay in business and it's filling up the net with so much bullshit it's crazy. We have fucked ourselves as an industry trying to give affiliates what they want. Visa has us cut back to 1%. How much more can we endure? I know the porn industry will always be here and I want to be a part of it but lets start running it like a business not like a fraking freak show. Business = Ethics Most of the clowns here couldn't grasp the idea of real ethics.

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