How do you get a sponsor to stop shaving? - GoFuckYourself.com

pudcat · 02-06-2005, 06:41 PM

We've been noticing some very suspicious trends in ratios over the last few months with a few of our sponsors.

Most of them we've removed from our database, though with some of them their ratios were good enough prior to the shave machine getting turned up to want to keep promoting them, how is the best way to tell a sponsor to stop shaving? (aside from exposing them on here). I know we shouldn't really do business with companies we can't trust... unfortunately this industry isn't exactly full of trustworthy people.

Sponsors who can guarantee no shave (not just for the first few weeks) I'd love to hear from you.

Please don't waste your time asking for names.

imageman · 02-06-2005, 06:43 PM

100% no shaving.

sonofsam · 02-06-2005, 06:43 PM

tell him you have a thing for hairy men.....

or just go with programs with good records ;)

VIPimp · 02-06-2005, 06:45 PM

http://clicktruth.com

sean416 · 02-06-2005, 07:18 PM

what companies? :p

pudcat · 02-06-2005, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofsam

tell him you have a thing for hairy men.....

AaronM · 02-06-2005, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pudcat

We've been noticing some very suspicious trends in ratios over the last few months with a few of our sponsors.

Most of them we've removed from our database, though with some of them their ratios were good enough prior to the shave machine getting turned up to want to keep promoting them, how is the best way to tell a sponsor to stop shaving? (aside from exposing them on here). I know we shouldn't really do business with companies we can't trust... unfortunately this industry isn't exactly full of trustworthy people.

Sponsors who can guarantee no shave (not just for the first few weeks) I'd love to hear from you.

Please don't waste your time asking for names.

You can't stop them.

You can't trust them.

All you can do is stop sending traffic if you suspect they are shaving.

Does everybody shave? No...Just the vast majority....Especially those with high PPS payouts.

DTK · 02-06-2005, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronM

You can't stop them.

You can't trust them.

All you can do is stop sending traffic if you suspect they are shaving.

Does everybody shave? No...Just the vast majority....Especially those with high PPS payouts.

I don't know if it could be stated any better than this. Great post

TheSaint · 02-06-2005, 08:45 PM

Don't promote anyone who doesn't use third party affiliate program OR have an accounting firm audit their affilate program, simple as that. I have owned many businesses in the last 25 years and I know of no other industry like adult with zero transparency.

AaronM · 02-06-2005, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSaint

Don't promote anyone who doesn't use third party affiliate program OR have an accounting firm audit their affilate program....

Such as MPA2?

The Bootyologist · 02-06-2005, 08:50 PM

there is nothing you can do except start looking for new sponsors

Shooting_Manic · 02-06-2005, 08:57 PM

Dont send to PPS sponsors. Thats a sure fix.

AaronM · 02-06-2005, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Shooting_Manic

Dont send to PPS sponsors. Thats a sure fix.

We've seen sponsors shave rev share too.

Jimatcohf · 02-06-2005, 09:05 PM

use sponsors that use nats, www.cashtitans.com uses nats and we cannot shave nor have we ever, dont ask us ask our affilates.

italianninja · 02-06-2005, 10:52 PM

i think that couple sponsors i use are shaving! At the end of the day the sponsors will loose because people will talk about which sposors are shaving etc on messege boards and people will stop promoting them. Id rather a sponsor say I lwill give you 10 bucks perjoin than sponsors say they will give me 60 bucks per join and give me a ratio of 0:2000+ now i recon thats a shave. or jus shit lol.

shuki · 02-06-2005, 10:56 PM

Take away their razor?

Dildozer · 02-06-2005, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimatcohf

use sponsors that use nats, www.cashtitans.com uses nats and we cannot shave nor have we ever, dont ask us ask our affilates.

It's naive to think because they use NATS they can't shave. If they want it bad enough, there's always a way

ytcracker · 02-06-2005, 11:00 PM

i thought this was going to be a joke
wheres the fucking punchline

Sly · 02-06-2005, 11:03 PM

All I know is I make much more money with the same exact traffic by sending it to PPS programs instead of rev-share.

Viva la razor.

Babagirls · 02-06-2005, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronM

You can't stop them.

You can't trust them.

All you can do is stop sending traffic if you suspect they are shaving.

Does everybody shave? No...Just the vast majority....Especially those with high PPS payouts.

so true Aaron. nice post.

just today, i pulled all my links to a penis pill sponser cuz i suspected them of shaving. i dont fuck around with my traffic.

JulianSosa · 02-06-2005, 11:04 PM

double post opps

JulianSosa · 02-06-2005, 11:04 PM

They cant shave you if you dont send traffic.

Quit sending and you wont be shaved

Steen2 · 02-06-2005, 11:27 PM

I think very few (I hope) shave, as in not credit you direct sales to their sites you promote. I think many, many, sponsors have innovative ideas to maximize cash (without aff credit). As in popups, geo-redirects, dialers, etc..

gh0st · 02-06-2005, 11:27 PM

Q: How do you get a sponsor to stop shaving?

A: Hook them up with some bikini wax

bhutocracy · 02-06-2005, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pudcat

We've been noticing some very suspicious trends in ratios over the last few months with a few of our sponsors.

Most of them we've removed from our database, though with some of them their ratios were good enough prior to the shave machine getting turned up to want to keep promoting them, how is the best way to tell a sponsor to stop shaving? (aside from exposing them on here). I know we shouldn't really do business with companies we can't trust... unfortunately this industry isn't exactly full of trustworthy people.

Sponsors who can guarantee no shave (not just for the first few weeks) I'd love to hear from you.

Please don't waste your time asking for names.

Just let them know you're onto them but possibly not in a shaving way. Conversions can go down naturally just through your traffic getting overexposed.. but letting them know that you've noticed a decline would surely make them slowly give you back some sales.. maybe.. I mean it's not as if they're going to turn the shave right off cause then it's obvious what's going on but maybe just ask if theres a reason why conversions suddenly dropped and whether they have any "tips" to get traffic back up.

SomeCreep · 02-06-2005, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pudcat

We've been noticing some very suspicious trends in ratios over the last few months with a few of our sponsors.

Most of them we've removed from our database, though with some of them their ratios were good enough prior to the shave machine getting turned up to want to keep promoting them, how is the best way to tell a sponsor to stop shaving? (aside from exposing them on here). I know we shouldn't really do business with companies we can't trust... unfortunately this industry isn't exactly full of trustworthy people.

Sponsors who can guarantee no shave (not just for the first few weeks) I'd love to hear from you.

Please don't waste your time asking for names.

You dont ask them to stop. You just send your traffic elsewhere.

ULVideo · 02-07-2005, 12:49 AM

What? The program I signed up for with $497.55 PPS and 110% revshare is shaving?

I'm shocked..... shocked to hear........

pudcat · 02-07-2005, 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhutocracy

Just let them know you're onto them but possibly not in a shaving way. Conversions can go down naturally just through your traffic getting overexposed.. but letting them know that you've noticed a decline would surely make them slowly give you back some sales.. maybe.. I mean it's not as if they're going to turn the shave right off cause then it's obvious what's going on but maybe just ask if theres a reason why conversions suddenly dropped and whether they have any "tips" to get traffic back up.

that's what I've been trying thus far, seemed to work for a little while though slowly but surely it became shit again... guess I'll drop them.

pudcat · 02-07-2005, 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ULVideo

What? The program I signed up for with $497.55 PPS and 110% revshare is shaving?

I'm shocked..... shocked to hear........

can't afford it? don't offer it.

Young · 02-07-2005, 01:05 AM

Rui · 02-07-2005, 07:53 AM

easy....change sponsors

fedfest · 02-07-2005, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pudcat

that's what I've been trying thus far, seemed to work for a little while though slowly but surely it became shit again... guess I'll drop them.

Been trying that too many times myself.. First contact about my droping ratios allways seem to get things back to normal but then a month or two later the shave get turned back on

Best advice, as so many said allready, stop sending them traffic, that's really the only way to stop them shaving !

And yes RewardThem can guarante you that we will never shave you, ever !
..and with our ccbill links it's even pretty easy for you to check the source code on the join page.. Since the join page is hosted by ccbill i can't see how we could shave, so that should be an extra guarante on top of my personal one.

calmlikeabomb · 02-07-2005, 08:55 AM

I have solution for you, if you promote penis enlargement.

Give me 1 more week.

pudcat · 02-07-2005, 05:42 PM

thanks for the advice guys

sponsor has been dropped

iBanker · 02-07-2005, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pudcat

thanks for the advice guys

sponsor has been dropped

Best call you could have made.

Furious_Male · 02-07-2005, 05:57 PM

I ask them to stop.

fedfest · 02-07-2005, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pudcat

thanks for the advice guys

sponsor has been dropped

Good call pudcat

hopefully others will too so that they figure out that shaving is not the right way to do bizz

TheDoc · 02-07-2005, 06:21 PM

Well.. Just because a sponsor isn't converting well this day/week/month doesn't mean they are shaving.

Last month, our ratios jumped up 200-250, then for Feb, back to normal. I'm pretty sure I don't shave myself. I look at the processors, or the banks. It seems when I have very bad days other programs that use Epoch do as well. Just because Epoch doesn't seem to be having problems doesn't mean the bank isn't having issues or some major rt on the net.

Most program owners will never admit it, but yes, we have just as many bad days you guys do. Hell, I have had 1:1000 days then flip from Epoch to CCBill and the ratio not change. Just sometimes, shit just doesn't convert for a period of time, but it always seems to come back.

Don't be so quick to judge

fedfest · 02-07-2005, 06:52 PM

The Doc
Thats true, there can be a varaity of reasons and shaving don't have to allways be one of them..

However the topic is "How do you get a sponsor to stop shaving?" and for that i can really only see one ansver, the one above..
Also no names mentioned so again the only thing judged is "Shaving Sponsors"

Most of us i think, if doing this for awhile do have a pretty good feeling though if it's just a bad day or if something fishy is going on, but i would like to add to my coments..
"If your really believe the sponsor shaves then.. *Insert my previous coments* " just to make sure your not droping an otherwise good sponsor just becaurse of a bad day.

Pete · 02-07-2005, 06:54 PM

The best way to take care of that is to tell your mommy.

venus · 02-07-2005, 07:07 PM

We never shave, we do not promose anything we cant deliver.
www.venuscash.com

how do you get someone to stop shaving, you cant. If your using a sponser who has huge payouts, you have to expect them to shave. They are in this business to make money, so why would they pay you everything they make from a signup.

SykkBoy · 02-07-2005, 07:13 PM

I wish I could reverse shave
some affiliates' traffic is so bad, I feel bad and would like to just give them a signup ;-)

people love to always jump on the "they're shaving me" bandwagon without evcen considering it's their own traffic that may be bad or as TheDoc pointed out, preocessor issues, etc.

Another thing to consider is the lenght of a sponsor cookie..

example: the sponsors sets a 10 day cookie....you're trading traffic with someone who is using the same exact sponsor...now, if that surfer has been sent to the same sponsor twice, who's cookie should get credit for the signup? The site that sent the surfer originally and thus got the 10 day cookie set or the guy who sent them the time they decided to buy? There was a lost sale...what if that's happened a couple times? Not a shave, but maybe a lost sale...yet, an affiliate is luckily to scream shave when it's simply not the case.

pudcat · 02-07-2005, 07:41 PM

I'm aware that we all have our off days and weeks, i've given them about 6 months which is waaaay more than I should have given them.

my conversions dropped from ~1:200 to 0 for whatever amount of traffic I sent. What was even more disturbing was that no matter how much traffic I sent, sites which I had made a sale on previously no longer would convert, only sites which hadn't had a sale before... all their cookie cutter sites.

sure my traffic could be over exposed, though considering I'm currently 1:95 (across all their sites) on nasty dollars (which we all know is the most overexposed content) I'd say not.

TheDoc · 02-07-2005, 09:03 PM

Yeah Pud, that is pretty damn nasty.. 6 Months is way to long to wait, even more so if you are getting little to no signups. If I hit 1:2k for more than a few weeks, I move on, no need to lose any more money.

For myself, it seems that once a bigger program stops converting for me, I'm never able to get them to convert again.

Create a new account, use a different business or your personal info, email, etc., and see if you start to convert again..... Productivity shaver, simple enough to spot.

TheSaint · 02-07-2005, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SykkBoy2

I wish I could reverse shave
some affiliates' traffic is so bad, I feel bad and would like to just give them a signup ;-)

people love to always jump on the "they're shaving me" bandwagon without evcen considering it's their own traffic that may be bad or as TheDoc pointed out, preocessor issues, etc.

Thats an excellent point. My worst affiliate has about 1/40th the conversion ratio of my best affiliate. Obvously tgp and gallery traffic in general sucks but some niche traffic is so fucking good it almost seems like a scam.

02-06-2005, 06:41 PM	#1
pudcat Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,169	How do you get a sponsor to stop shaving? We've been noticing some very suspicious trends in ratios over the last few months with a few of our sponsors. Most of them we've removed from our database, though with some of them their ratios were good enough prior to the shave machine getting turned up to want to keep promoting them, how is the best way to tell a sponsor to stop shaving? (aside from exposing them on here). I know we shouldn't really do business with companies we can't trust... unfortunately this industry isn't exactly full of trustworthy people. Sponsors who can guarantee no shave (not just for the first few weeks) I'd love to hear from you. Please don't waste your time asking for names. __________________ SUBMIT YOUR BABE GALLERIES PROMOTE YOUR BLOG HERE always looking for hardlinks icq #207011694 Thunder-Ball.net, good for hardlink exchanges

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imageman Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,938	Busty-bucks.com 100% no shaving.

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TheSaint Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Everywhere at once Posts: 991	Don't promote anyone who doesn't use third party affiliate program OR have an accounting firm audit their affilate program, simple as that. I have owned many businesses in the last 25 years and I know of no other industry like adult with zero transparency. __________________ I have no signature

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Jimatcohf Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: south east Posts: 277	use sponsors that use nats, www.cashtitans.com uses nats and we cannot shave nor have we ever, dont ask us ask our affilates. __________________ [email protected] ICQ: 318490299

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italianninja Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 564	i think that couple sponsors i use are shaving! At the end of the day the sponsors will loose because people will talk about which sposors are shaving etc on messege boards and people will stop promoting them. Id rather a sponsor say I lwill give you 10 bucks perjoin than sponsors say they will give me 60 bucks per join and give me a ratio of 0:2000+ now i recon thats a shave. or jus shit lol.

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Steen2 Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 7,662	I think very few (I hope) shave, as in not credit you direct sales to their sites you promote. I think many, many, sponsors have innovative ideas to maximize cash (without aff credit). As in popups, geo-redirects, dialers, etc.. __________________ ICQ: 2262.73945

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gh0st So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 928	Q: How do you get a sponsor to stop shaving? A: Hook them up with some bikini wax

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ULVideo Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New York Posts: 405	What? The program I signed up for with $497.55 PPS and 110% revshare is shaving? I'm shocked..... shocked to hear........

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Rui web Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: On icq: 85-483-060 Posts: 9,533	easy....change sponsors

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Furious_Male Doing the grind since 99 Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Buffalo NY Posts: 16,881	I ask them to stop. __________________ Living in Virtual Reality Contact: Email (preferred): furiousmale .at. gmail - Skype: live:shanedws

02-07-2005, 06:21 PM	#38
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	Well.. Just because a sponsor isn't converting well this day/week/month doesn't mean they are shaving. Last month, our ratios jumped up 200-250, then for Feb, back to normal. I'm pretty sure I don't shave myself. I look at the processors, or the banks. It seems when I have very bad days other programs that use Epoch do as well. Just because Epoch doesn't seem to be having problems doesn't mean the bank isn't having issues or some major rt on the net. Most program owners will never admit it, but yes, we have just as many bad days you guys do. Hell, I have had 1:1000 days then flip from Epoch to CCBill and the ratio not change. Just sometimes, shit just doesn't convert for a period of time, but it always seems to come back. Don't be so quick to judge __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

02-07-2005, 06:52 PM	#39
fedfest Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,334	The Doc Thats true, there can be a varaity of reasons and shaving don't have to allways be one of them.. However the topic is "How do you get a sponsor to stop shaving?" and for that i can really only see one ansver, the one above.. Also no names mentioned so again the only thing judged is "Shaving Sponsors" Most of us i think, if doing this for awhile do have a pretty good feeling though if it's just a bad day or if something fishy is going on, but i would like to add to my coments.. "If your really believe the sponsor shaves then.. Insert my previous coments " just to make sure your not droping an otherwise good sponsor just becaurse of a bad day. __________________ RewardThem Now Paying Up To 70% Revshare ! Top Converting CCbill affiliate program that will keep your members rebilling. No Traffic Leaks, No Popups, No Bullshit.. You get Credited For EVERYTHING !

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venus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Phoenix, Az Posts: 3,112	We never shave, we do not promose anything we cant deliver. www.venuscash.com how do you get someone to stop shaving, you cant. If your using a sponser who has huge payouts, you have to expect them to shave. They are in this business to make money, so why would they pay you everything they make from a signup. __________________ Muscle/Fitness Adult Affiliate Program Since 1997 www.venuscash.com

02-07-2005, 07:13 PM	#42
SykkBoy Jesus loves bacon Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Sin City, Motherfucker Posts: 19,969	I wish I could reverse shave some affiliates' traffic is so bad, I feel bad and would like to just give them a signup ;-) people love to always jump on the "they're shaving me" bandwagon without evcen considering it's their own traffic that may be bad or as TheDoc pointed out, preocessor issues, etc. Another thing to consider is the lenght of a sponsor cookie.. example: the sponsors sets a 10 day cookie....you're trading traffic with someone who is using the same exact sponsor...now, if that surfer has been sent to the same sponsor twice, who's cookie should get credit for the signup? The site that sent the surfer originally and thus got the 10 day cookie set or the guy who sent them the time they decided to buy? There was a lost sale...what if that's happened a couple times? Not a shave, but maybe a lost sale...yet, an affiliate is luckily to scream shave when it's simply not the case. __________________ Support my new movie “The Second Coming”

02-07-2005, 07:41 PM	#43
pudcat Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,169	I'm aware that we all have our off days and weeks, i've given them about 6 months which is waaaay more than I should have given them. my conversions dropped from ~1:200 to 0 for whatever amount of traffic I sent. What was even more disturbing was that no matter how much traffic I sent, sites which I had made a sale on previously no longer would convert, only sites which hadn't had a sale before... all their cookie cutter sites. sure my traffic could be over exposed, though considering I'm currently 1:95 (across all their sites) on nasty dollars (which we all know is the most overexposed content) I'd say not. __________________ SUBMIT YOUR BABE GALLERIES PROMOTE YOUR BLOG HERE always looking for hardlinks icq #207011694 Thunder-Ball.net, good for hardlink exchanges

02-07-2005, 09:03 PM	#44
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	Yeah Pud, that is pretty damn nasty.. 6 Months is way to long to wait, even more so if you are getting little to no signups. If I hit 1:2k for more than a few weeks, I move on, no need to lose any more money. For myself, it seems that once a bigger program stops converting for me, I'm never able to get them to convert again. Create a new account, use a different business or your personal info, email, etc., and see if you start to convert again..... Productivity shaver, simple enough to spot. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation