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  • pudcat
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    • Mar 2003
    • 1169
    #1

    How do you get a sponsor to stop shaving?

    We've been noticing some very suspicious trends in ratios over the last few months with a few of our sponsors.

    Most of them we've removed from our database, though with some of them their ratios were good enough prior to the shave machine getting turned up to want to keep promoting them, how is the best way to tell a sponsor to stop shaving? (aside from exposing them on here). I know we shouldn't really do business with companies we can't trust... unfortunately this industry isn't exactly full of trustworthy people.

    Sponsors who can guarantee no shave (not just for the first few weeks) I'd love to hear from you.

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    • imageman
      Confirmed User
      • Jun 2003
      • 1938
      #2
      Busty-bucks.com

      100% no shaving.

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        • sonofsam
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          • Dec 2004
          • 18647
          #3
          tell him you have a thing for hairy men.....

          or just go with programs with good records ;)
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            • VIPimp
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              • May 2003
              • 9234
              #4
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                • sean416
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                  • Feb 2004
                  • 3633
                  #5
                  what companies? :p

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                    • pudcat
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                      • Mar 2003
                      • 1169
                      #6
                      Originally posted by sonofsam
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                        • AaronM
                          GFY Royality ;)
                          • Oct 2001
                          • 46923
                          #7
                          Originally posted by pudcat
                          We've been noticing some very suspicious trends in ratios over the last few months with a few of our sponsors.

                          Most of them we've removed from our database, though with some of them their ratios were good enough prior to the shave machine getting turned up to want to keep promoting them, how is the best way to tell a sponsor to stop shaving? (aside from exposing them on here). I know we shouldn't really do business with companies we can't trust... unfortunately this industry isn't exactly full of trustworthy people.

                          Sponsors who can guarantee no shave (not just for the first few weeks) I'd love to hear from you.

                          Please don't waste your time asking for names.
                          You can't stop them.

                          You can't trust them.

                          All you can do is stop sending traffic if you suspect they are shaving.

                          Does everybody shave? No...Just the vast majority....Especially those with high PPS payouts.

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                            • DTK
                              Confirmed User
                              • Feb 2002
                              • 4546
                              #8
                              Originally posted by AaronM
                              You can't stop them.

                              You can't trust them.

                              All you can do is stop sending traffic if you suspect they are shaving.

                              Does everybody shave? No...Just the vast majority....Especially those with high PPS payouts.
                              I don't know if it could be stated any better than this. Great post
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                                • TheSaint
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                                  • Jun 2003
                                  • 991
                                  #9
                                  Don't promote anyone who doesn't use third party affiliate program OR have an accounting firm audit their affilate program, simple as that. I have owned many businesses in the last 25 years and I know of no other industry like adult with zero transparency.
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                                    • AaronM
                                      GFY Royality ;)
                                      • Oct 2001
                                      • 46923
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by TheSaint
                                      Don't promote anyone who doesn't use third party affiliate program OR have an accounting firm audit their affilate program....
                                      Such as MPA2?

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                                        • The Bootyologist
                                          So Fucking Banned
                                          • Jun 2004
                                          • 2912
                                          #11
                                          there is nothing you can do except start looking for new sponsors

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                                            • Shooting_Manic
                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                              • Jan 2005
                                              • 1740
                                              #12
                                              Dont send to PPS sponsors. Thats a sure fix.

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                                                • AaronM
                                                  GFY Royality ;)
                                                  • Oct 2001
                                                  • 46923
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by Shooting_Manic
                                                  Dont send to PPS sponsors. Thats a sure fix.

                                                  We've seen sponsors shave rev share too.

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                                                    • Jimatcohf
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Jan 2004
                                                      • 277
                                                      #14
                                                      use sponsors that use nats, www.cashtitans.com uses nats and we cannot shave nor have we ever, dont ask us ask our affilates.
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                                                        • italianninja
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                                                          • Feb 2004
                                                          • 564
                                                          #15
                                                          i think that couple sponsors i use are shaving! At the end of the day the sponsors will loose because people will talk about which sposors are shaving etc on messege boards and people will stop promoting them. Id rather a sponsor say I lwill give you 10 bucks perjoin than sponsors say they will give me 60 bucks per join and give me a ratio of 0:2000+ now i recon thats a shave. or jus shit lol.

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                                                            • shuki
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                                                              • Aug 2004
                                                              • 3070
                                                              #16
                                                              Take away their razor?
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                                                                • Dildozer
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                                                                  • Jul 2002
                                                                  • 7519
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by Jimatcohf
                                                                  use sponsors that use nats, www.cashtitans.com uses nats and we cannot shave nor have we ever, dont ask us ask our affilates.
                                                                  It's naive to think because they use NATS they can't shave. If they want it bad enough, there's always a way
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                                                                    • ytcracker
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                                                                      • Dec 2002
                                                                      • 12403
                                                                      #18
                                                                      i thought this was going to be a joke
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                                                                        • Sly
                                                                          Let's do some business!
                                                                          • Sep 2004
                                                                          • 31377
                                                                          #19
                                                                          All I know is I make much more money with the same exact traffic by sending it to PPS programs instead of rev-share.

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                                                                            • Babagirls
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                                                                              • Feb 2001
                                                                              • 18812
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by AaronM
                                                                              You can't stop them.

                                                                              You can't trust them.

                                                                              All you can do is stop sending traffic if you suspect they are shaving.

                                                                              Does everybody shave? No...Just the vast majority....Especially those with high PPS payouts.
                                                                              so true Aaron. nice post.

                                                                              just today, i pulled all my links to a penis pill sponser cuz i suspected them of shaving. i dont fuck around with my traffic.




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                                                                                • JulianSosa
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                                                                                  • Aug 2003
                                                                                  • 3042
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  double post opps
                                                                                  Last edited by JulianSosa; 02-06-2005, 09:05 PM.

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                                                                                    • JulianSosa
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Aug 2003
                                                                                      • 3042
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      They cant shave you if you dont send traffic.

                                                                                      Quit sending and you wont be shaved

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                                                                                        • Steen2
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Feb 2004
                                                                                          • 7662
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          I think very few (I hope) shave, as in not credit you direct sales to their sites you promote. I think many, many, sponsors have innovative ideas to maximize cash (without aff credit). As in popups, geo-redirects, dialers, etc..
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                                                                                            • gh0st
                                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                                              • Feb 2005
                                                                                              • 928
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Q: How do you get a sponsor to stop shaving?

                                                                                              A: Hook them up with some bikini wax

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                                                                                                • bhutocracy
                                                                                                  Not making A Comeback
                                                                                                  • Dec 2001
                                                                                                  • 10218
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by pudcat
                                                                                                  We've been noticing some very suspicious trends in ratios over the last few months with a few of our sponsors.

                                                                                                  Most of them we've removed from our database, though with some of them their ratios were good enough prior to the shave machine getting turned up to want to keep promoting them, how is the best way to tell a sponsor to stop shaving? (aside from exposing them on here). I know we shouldn't really do business with companies we can't trust... unfortunately this industry isn't exactly full of trustworthy people.

                                                                                                  Sponsors who can guarantee no shave (not just for the first few weeks) I'd love to hear from you.

                                                                                                  Please don't waste your time asking for names.
                                                                                                  Just let them know you're onto them but possibly not in a shaving way. Conversions can go down naturally just through your traffic getting overexposed.. but letting them know that you've noticed a decline would surely make them slowly give you back some sales.. maybe.. I mean it's not as if they're going to turn the shave right off cause then it's obvious what's going on but maybe just ask if theres a reason why conversions suddenly dropped and whether they have any "tips" to get traffic back up.

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                                                                                                    • SomeCreep
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                                                                                                      • Mar 2003
                                                                                                      • 26118
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by pudcat
                                                                                                      We've been noticing some very suspicious trends in ratios over the last few months with a few of our sponsors.

                                                                                                      Most of them we've removed from our database, though with some of them their ratios were good enough prior to the shave machine getting turned up to want to keep promoting them, how is the best way to tell a sponsor to stop shaving? (aside from exposing them on here). I know we shouldn't really do business with companies we can't trust... unfortunately this industry isn't exactly full of trustworthy people.

                                                                                                      Sponsors who can guarantee no shave (not just for the first few weeks) I'd love to hear from you.

                                                                                                      Please don't waste your time asking for names.
                                                                                                      You dont ask them to stop. You just send your traffic elsewhere.

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                                                                                                        • ULVideo
                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                          • Oct 2004
                                                                                                          • 405
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          What? The program I signed up for with $497.55 PPS and 110% revshare is shaving?

                                                                                                          I'm shocked..... shocked to hear........

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                                                                                                            • pudcat
                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                              • Mar 2003
                                                                                                              • 1169
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by bhutocracy
                                                                                                              Just let them know you're onto them but possibly not in a shaving way. Conversions can go down naturally just through your traffic getting overexposed.. but letting them know that you've noticed a decline would surely make them slowly give you back some sales.. maybe.. I mean it's not as if they're going to turn the shave right off cause then it's obvious what's going on but maybe just ask if theres a reason why conversions suddenly dropped and whether they have any "tips" to get traffic back up.
                                                                                                              that's what I've been trying thus far, seemed to work for a little while though slowly but surely it became shit again... guess I'll drop them.
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                                                                                                                • pudcat
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                                                                                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                  • 1169
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by ULVideo
                                                                                                                  What? The program I signed up for with $497.55 PPS and 110% revshare is shaving?

                                                                                                                  I'm shocked..... shocked to hear........
                                                                                                                  can't afford it? don't offer it.
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                                                                                                                    • Young
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                                                                                                                      • Nov 2004
                                                                                                                      • 10468
                                                                                                                      #30


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                                                                                                                        • Rui
                                                                                                                          web
                                                                                                                          • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                          • 9533
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          easy....change sponsors

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                                                                                                                            • fedfest
                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                              • May 2002
                                                                                                                              • 1334
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by pudcat
                                                                                                                              that's what I've been trying thus far, seemed to work for a little while though slowly but surely it became shit again... guess I'll drop them.
                                                                                                                              Been trying that too many times myself.. First contact about my droping ratios allways seem to get things back to normal but then a month or two later the shave get turned back on

                                                                                                                              Best advice, as so many said allready, stop sending them traffic, that's really the only way to stop them shaving !

                                                                                                                              And yes RewardThem can guarante you that we will never shave you, ever !
                                                                                                                              ..and with our ccbill links it's even pretty easy for you to check the source code on the join page.. Since the join page is hosted by ccbill i can't see how we could shave, so that should be an extra guarante on top of my personal one.
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                                                                                                                                • calmlikeabomb
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                                                                                                                                  • May 2004
                                                                                                                                  • 1323
                                                                                                                                  #33
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                                                                                                                                    • pudcat
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                                                                                                                                      • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                      • 1169
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      thanks for the advice guys

                                                                                                                                      sponsor has been dropped
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                                                                                                                                        • iBanker
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                                                                                                                                          • Dec 2004
                                                                                                                                          • 2758
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by pudcat
                                                                                                                                          thanks for the advice guys

                                                                                                                                          sponsor has been dropped
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                                                                                                                                            • Furious_Male
                                                                                                                                              Doing the grind since 99
                                                                                                                                              • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                              • 16884
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              I ask them to stop.
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                                                                                                                                                • fedfest
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                                                                                                                                                  • May 2002
                                                                                                                                                  • 1334
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by pudcat
                                                                                                                                                  thanks for the advice guys

                                                                                                                                                  sponsor has been dropped
                                                                                                                                                  Good call pudcat
                                                                                                                                                  hopefully others will too so that they figure out that shaving is not the right way to do bizz
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                                                                                                                                                    • TheDoc
                                                                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                      • 13827
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Well.. Just because a sponsor isn't converting well this day/week/month doesn't mean they are shaving.

                                                                                                                                                      Last month, our ratios jumped up 200-250, then for Feb, back to normal. I'm pretty sure I don't shave myself. I look at the processors, or the banks. It seems when I have very bad days other programs that use Epoch do as well. Just because Epoch doesn't seem to be having problems doesn't mean the bank isn't having issues or some major rt on the net.

                                                                                                                                                      Most program owners will never admit it, but yes, we have just as many bad days you guys do. Hell, I have had 1:1000 days then flip from Epoch to CCBill and the ratio not change. Just sometimes, shit just doesn't convert for a period of time, but it always seems to come back.

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                                                                                                                                                        • fedfest
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                                                                                                                                                          • May 2002
                                                                                                                                                          • 1334
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          The Doc
                                                                                                                                                          Thats true, there can be a varaity of reasons and shaving don't have to allways be one of them..

                                                                                                                                                          However the topic is "How do you get a sponsor to stop shaving?" and for that i can really only see one ansver, the one above..
                                                                                                                                                          Also no names mentioned so again the only thing judged is "Shaving Sponsors"

                                                                                                                                                          Most of us i think, if doing this for awhile do have a pretty good feeling though if it's just a bad day or if something fishy is going on, but i would like to add to my coments..
                                                                                                                                                          "If your really believe the sponsor shaves then.. *Insert my previous coments* " just to make sure your not droping an otherwise good sponsor just becaurse of a bad day.
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                                                                                                                                                            • Pete
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                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              The best way to take care of that is to tell your mommy.
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                                                                                                                                                                • venus
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                                                                                                                                                                  • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                                                                  • 3112
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  We never shave, we do not promose anything we cant deliver.
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                                                                                                                                                                  how do you get someone to stop shaving, you cant. If your using a sponser who has huge payouts, you have to expect them to shave. They are in this business to make money, so why would they pay you everything they make from a signup.
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                                                                                                                                                                    • SykkBoy2
                                                                                                                                                                      Jesus loves bacon
                                                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2001
                                                                                                                                                                      • 19969
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      I wish I could reverse shave
                                                                                                                                                                      some affiliates' traffic is so bad, I feel bad and would like to just give them a signup ;-)

                                                                                                                                                                      people love to always jump on the "they're shaving me" bandwagon without evcen considering it's their own traffic that may be bad or as TheDoc pointed out, preocessor issues, etc.

                                                                                                                                                                      Another thing to consider is the lenght of a sponsor cookie..

                                                                                                                                                                      example: the sponsors sets a 10 day cookie....you're trading traffic with someone who is using the same exact sponsor...now, if that surfer has been sent to the same sponsor twice, who's cookie should get credit for the signup? The site that sent the surfer originally and thus got the 10 day cookie set or the guy who sent them the time they decided to buy? There was a lost sale...what if that's happened a couple times? Not a shave, but maybe a lost sale...yet, an affiliate is luckily to scream shave when it's simply not the case.
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                                                                                                                                                                        • pudcat
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                                                                                                                                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                                          • 1169
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          I'm aware that we all have our off days and weeks, i've given them about 6 months which is waaaay more than I should have given them.

                                                                                                                                                                          my conversions dropped from ~1:200 to 0 for whatever amount of traffic I sent. What was even more disturbing was that no matter how much traffic I sent, sites which I had made a sale on previously no longer would convert, only sites which hadn't had a sale before... all their cookie cutter sites.

                                                                                                                                                                          sure my traffic could be over exposed, though considering I'm currently 1:95 (across all their sites) on nasty dollars (which we all know is the most overexposed content) I'd say not.
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                                                                                                                                                                            • TheDoc
                                                                                                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                              • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                                              • 13827
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Yeah Pud, that is pretty damn nasty.. 6 Months is way to long to wait, even more so if you are getting little to no signups. If I hit 1:2k for more than a few weeks, I move on, no need to lose any more money.

                                                                                                                                                                              For myself, it seems that once a bigger program stops converting for me, I'm never able to get them to convert again.

                                                                                                                                                                              Create a new account, use a different business or your personal info, email, etc., and see if you start to convert again..... Productivity shaver, simple enough to spot.
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                                                                                                                                                                                • TheSaint
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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 991
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by SykkBoy2
                                                                                                                                                                                  I wish I could reverse shave
                                                                                                                                                                                  some affiliates' traffic is so bad, I feel bad and would like to just give them a signup ;-)

                                                                                                                                                                                  people love to always jump on the "they're shaving me" bandwagon without evcen considering it's their own traffic that may be bad or as TheDoc pointed out, preocessor issues, etc.
                                                                                                                                                                                  Thats an excellent point. My worst affiliate has about 1/40th the conversion ratio of my best affiliate. Obvously tgp and gallery traffic in general sucks but some niche traffic is so fucking good it almost seems like a scam.
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