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galleryseek · 02-06-2005, 03:54 PM

I saw last night, some company who analyzes which countries have the highest skilled programmers - out of a convention USA did the best... while indians were in like 20th place.

kernelpanic · 02-06-2005, 03:55 PM

America has the highest skilled programmers, just india has more of them.

Jey p · 02-06-2005, 03:57 PM

America HAS the highest skilled programmers & America HIRES the best programmers too

Warden · 02-06-2005, 04:00 PM

I would agree. But the cheapest programmers are in places like India, no question.

andrej_NDC · 02-06-2005, 04:06 PM

CNN is full of shit, but its old news.

xl11 · 02-06-2005, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by galleryseek

I saw last night, some company who analyzes which countries have the highest skilled programmers - out of a convention USA did the best... while indians were in like 20th place.

and the second is Poland

SpaceAce · 02-06-2005, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by galleryseek

I saw last night, some company who analyzes which countries have the highest skilled programmers - out of a convention USA did the best... while indians were in like 20th place.

A large part of that is the fact that the truly skilled top-notch programmers come to America to work here. I bet they did that study by residence and not nation of origin. Obviously America attracts talented programmers from all over the world.

SpaceAce

budz · 02-06-2005, 04:41 PM

I start twitching when I have to program something for someone else

OOO THE PRESSURE !!

jk

galleryseek · 02-06-2005, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by budz

I start twitching when I have to program something for someone else

OOO THE PRESSURE !!

jk

weak, i'm ashamed you're from the same state as me

spamofon · 02-06-2005, 04:43 PM

yeah immigrants from Russia and India

jukeboxfrank · 02-06-2005, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by spamofon

yeah immigrants from Russia and India

don't worry Canada has the best snow

galleryseek · 02-06-2005, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpaceAce

A large part of that is the fact that the truly skilled top-notch programmers come to America to work here. I bet they did that study by residence and not nation of origin. Obviously America attracts talented programmers from all over the world.

SpaceAce

no this wasn't performed by CNN, it was simply covered by CNN. a big company actually had a couple thousand programmers go through an elaborate series of tests to determine who was the highest skilled - and i'm sure they based it on where they were trained, instead of where they currently live.

woj · 02-06-2005, 04:54 PM

Anyone have the url to this article handy?

galleryseek · 02-06-2005, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by woj

Anyone have the url to this article handy?

i saw it on CNN TV last night.

Theo · 02-06-2005, 05:05 PM

Russia has the best
India has the most
USA has the most well paid

ops i forgot Poland ;-)

MyNameIsEmily · 02-06-2005, 05:30 PM

Really? I figured the japanese or the italians would have this one.

e-god · 02-06-2005, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

Russia has the best
India has the most
USA has the most well paid

ops i forgot Poland ;-)

what he said

jazzll · 02-06-2005, 05:35 PM

Best Engineers are from Western countries
Best Mathematicians are from Russia

Jey p · 02-06-2005, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Warden

I would agree. But the cheapest programmers are in places like India, no question.

Cheapest = Best ?

Rui · 02-07-2005, 07:31 AM

WTF?

Russia wins hands down...(and i'm not talking about work/money ratio iether..)

Phoenix · 02-07-2005, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Rui

WTF?

Russia wins hands down...(and i'm not talking about work/money ratio iether..)

i concur

Mpegmaster · 02-07-2005, 07:43 AM

I am telling you guys!
Indian are good.....but the chinese arent considered because of their language....or else the chinese are pretty damn good in everything they do ;)

galleryseek · 02-07-2005, 08:53 AM

nope sorry guys. it's the americans. the reasoning = we've been doing it the longest.

FuqALot · 02-07-2005, 08:56 AM

the convention was probably in the US so only the rich programmers from the countries could go while the poor but best programmers stayed home

galleryseek · 02-07-2005, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by FuqALot

the convention was probably in the US so only the rich programmers from the countries could go while the poor but best programmers stayed home

sorry but the "best" programmers in any country would have enough money to go.

flashfreak · 02-07-2005, 09:01 AM

CNN? come on... http://www.ioinformatics.org/history3.htm

FuqALot · 02-07-2005, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by galleryseek

sorry but the "best" programmers in any country would have enough money to go.

nnnnope.

Rui · 02-07-2005, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by galleryseek

nope sorry guys. it's the americans. the reasoning = we've been doing it the longest.

sure... most Russian Coders will do laps around a American coder AND will work for alot less...

Hell they work more, better and cheaper...

galleryseek · 02-07-2005, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Rui

sure... most Russian Coders will do laps around a American coder AND will work for alot less...

Hell they work more, better and cheaper...

interesting - how do you know this? did you do any in depth reports on the matter?

sexdwarf · 02-07-2005, 09:08 AM

in general application programming (visual basic, foxpro, .net) i think russian programmers are amazing...

for web programming and backend development i have no doubt that america is on top there...

in unix/linux development (kernel, os, cli programs, x86 etc) europe is hands down the leader...

just a programmers point of view...

Rui · 02-07-2005, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by galleryseek

interesting - how do you know this? did you do any in depth reports on the matter?

Its actually common knowledge if you are in this biz for sometime...

JamesK2 · 02-07-2005, 09:16 AM

Fuck CNN

it's all propaganda

SykkBoy · 02-07-2005, 09:31 AM

but where do American programmers rank on actually getting their shit done on deadline?

;-))

sexdwarf · 02-07-2005, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by SykkBoy2

but where do American programmers rank on actually getting their shit done on deadline?

;-))

agreed, we are not the best at keeping with timeframes at times, but in all honesty would you rather have something done right the first time albeit a little off schedual or something done rushed and either sloppily or wrong... so much can go wrong with misunderstandings due to language...

not to mention i have heard plenty of stories where the offshore developers went MIA and never completed the project promised...

Sami · 02-07-2005, 09:44 AM

After seeing Albert from videopass in action.

I would agree 100% with the title, lol

emthree · 02-07-2005, 11:08 AM

I always wondered: How come the Russians always come out on top, with programming and their knowledge of systems and vulnerabilities?

I'm guessing percentage is self thought?
But where does the other percentage and common base come from? school? books?

DesignWise · 02-07-2005, 11:53 AM

CNN is american aight?

sexyclicks · 02-07-2005, 12:01 PM

America has the best everything according to CNN

Fletch XXX · 02-07-2005, 12:10 PM

heres another fact.

americans shouldnt believe everything CNN says.

racer · 02-07-2005, 12:13 PM

CNN = bullshit!!!
Just some facts:

ACM Programming Contest World Finals Results:

1 St Petersburg Institute of Fine Mechanics and Optics, <-World Champions
3 Belarusian State University,
4 Perm State University,
8 Izhevsk State Technical University,
15 Kyrgyz-Russian Slavic University,
15 Nizhny Novgorod State University,
27 Novosibirsk State University,
27 Petrozavodsk State University,
27 St. Petersburg State University.

I can not see any USA teams here:

http://icpc.baylor.edu/past/Champs.html

P.S. by the way I have some employers form St.Petersburg and you can use them for your needs ;)

SilverTab · 02-07-2005, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sexdwarf

in general application programming (visual basic, foxpro, .net) i think russian programmers are amazing...

for web programming and backend development i have no doubt that america is on top there...

in unix/linux development (kernel, os, cli programs, x86 etc) europe is hands down the leader...

just a programmers point of view...

well said!

dcortez · 02-07-2005, 01:34 PM

Was that total number or per capita?

If it's total number, well the population of usa is higher than most countries.

-Dino

alexg · 02-07-2005, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

Russia has the best
India has the most
USA has the most well paid

ops i forgot Poland ;-)

hahaha... YOU FORGOT POLAND!

btw what place was Israel?

Cmonk · 02-07-2005, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by galleryseek

I saw last night, some company who analyzes which countries have the highest skilled programmers - out of a convention USA did the best... while indians were in like 20th place.

Here ...call someone who cares

galleryseek · 02-07-2005, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmonk

Here ...call someone who cares

i'm sure you'll answer, too.

Cmonk · 02-07-2005, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by galleryseek

i'm sure you'll answer, too.

hehe...good one

ArkansasDave · 02-07-2005, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesK

Fuck CNN

it's all propaganda

racer · 02-07-2005, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by alexg

hahaha... YOU FORGOT POLAND!

btw what place was Israel?

half of Israel speaks russian ;)

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galleryseek Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 8,234	nope sorry guys. it's the americans. the reasoning = we've been doing it the longest.

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