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seeric · 01-11-2005, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by FightThisPatent

Earthlink is very aggressive, going to the point of subpeonaing credit card processors for their clients info to track down spam.

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Fight the mapS!

a hundy pissed of adult peeps

of course they are. its money they arent making. it is the due diligence of these huge corporations that is really behind getting rid of as many revenue angles as possible. more money for them. watch the involvement of these big companies in adult over the next 10 years. they know how much money is here to be made.

the more people they get rid of the better. do you see any adult companies lobbying anyone in washington?

the big picture is going to look like the one where the bird is trying to swallow the frog, but the frog's got his hands clamped around the birds neck.

chip away little by little with laws designed to help "control" these nasty pornographers. the spam thing isnt the end. big business wants their internet back and the money that goes with it. i can only imagine the lobbying going on in washington.

TRAFFIC people. TRAFFIC.

the big companies already command millions upon millions of eyeballs everyday. this biz is going to get alot more attention from higher ups. not only feds. just my litle 2 cents. but what do i know?

fünkmaster · 01-11-2005, 01:04 PM

... very interesting.

Digipimp · 01-11-2005, 01:05 PM

hahahahahahahahah fuck spammers!

BackToMine · 01-11-2005, 01:05 PM

about time too

jimmyf · 01-11-2005, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by sweetcuties

Um, here's an idea... don't spam and terminate ANY affiliate who does! To many people turn an eye because of this " in crowd" shit.

Just my opinion. I don't care if you agree or disagree

you'd be surprised at how many do terminate but not near enough...... Think the ones that don't might re-think there business plan... like in FAST

jimmyf · 01-11-2005, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by FightThisPatent

many sponsors have it in their TOS about a no-spamming tolerance, but some affiliates still do it.

For sponsors, be sure to check your TOS and to show you have a zero tolerance, otherwise you could be condoning the actions and be held just as liable.

Earthlink is very aggressive, going to the point of subpeonaing credit card processors for their clients info to track down spam.

Earthlink vs. John Does is the court filing against spammers:
http://www.earthlink.net/about/press/pr_AllianceFAS/

Fight the mapS!

you got's 2 be fucking 100% nuts to use a Earthlink or AOL proxie... But guess what.. got spammers that do it.

Calvinguy · 01-11-2005, 01:13 PM

I hope (legal) clients of Reflected are not going to be troubled by this

webair · 01-11-2005, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by FightThisPatent

From the FTC PR. given the charges against the company, it also makes for a quick primer on the Don'ts of email soliciations:

"The complaint also charges that the defendants violated the CAN-SPAM Act by sending e-mail or procuring third parties to send e-mail that:

-contained false or misleading transmission information;

-contained deceptive subject headings;

-failed to contain functioning opt-out mechanisms or did not contain any opt-out mechanisms;

-failed to identify the e-mail as an advertisement or solicitation; and

-failed to provide the sender?s valid physical postal address. "

Fight the Contained and Failed!

Was the host (Reflected) a part of the company that was mailing or were they just hosting the offending sites?

jimmyf · 01-11-2005, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TKoProductions

I think I like my reason better.....but yours is a pretty good one too!

(actually, I think you're probably right; the fact that they got caught in a lie fuels the inferno)

do you think you could trust'em now.

Theo · 01-11-2005, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmyf

you'd be surprised at how many do terminate but not near enough...... Think the ones that don't might re-think there business plan... like in FAST

Almost nobody spams a sponsor without prior agreement. I'm confident signup4cash was using opt-out for their mailings, I don't know about the explicit tag. I know also they were running their own double optin lists. You'll be surprised to see how many US based sponsors don't follow CAN SPAM. Many more lawsuits will follow in 2005. If you see FTC going after signup4cash imagine what will happen to those that don't follow shit, use proxies and harvest emails.

Gator · 01-11-2005, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ytcracker

According to Piccionelli, the presence of federal agents at Internext highlights a trend he expects to see grow over the next several years as government prosecution of the adult industry increases.

?There really was not an elaborate internationally known set of shows that the adult business gathers at back in the ?70s and early ?80s,? Piccionelli said. ?At different times, when there are justice department sweeps, don?t be surprised if this becomes a mode of operation for the government in the future. They like getting everybody in one place and serving them.?

dont go to conventions

Better advice - Go to conventions, but don't break the law.

Pipecrew · 01-11-2005, 01:25 PM

We should expect to see the FTC go after master and expert spammer Doctor Dre.

Manowar · 01-11-2005, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Pipecrew

We should expect to see the FTC go after master and expert spammer Doctor Dre.

Maybe they will serve him at his next concert.

I wonder where dre went - havent seen him posting here for a while

LA Mike · 01-11-2005, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TheEbonyFelony

i agree 100 percent

There is too many honest ways on the net to make money then to risk it by doing illegal shit

jimmyf · 01-11-2005, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by LadyMischief

if the government seizes your assets.

usually this happens as you are being servered, your wife's assests, your kids assest's, anyones assests that they think you my have your hands in.

Don't know about this case but if not they are very lucky

xxxdesign-net · 01-11-2005, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Pipecrew

We should expect to see the FTC go after master and expert spammer Doctor Dre.

He's a big fish thats for sure... Certainly at the top of their list...

DTK · 01-11-2005, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by LAMike

There is too many honest ways on the net to make money then to risk it by doing illegal shit

Some people are just too damned stupid to grasp this simple concept.

erehwon · 01-11-2005, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rui

I'm all for the end of more spammers, I don't see why don't you understand how great this sort of actions is for our industry...

Its great to see a crackdown on spammers, but I'm saying its the begining of the end when it comes to this industry. If the Neocon Republicans have their way, there will be no more porn, there will only be one religion, and you are either for them or against them.

jimmyf · 01-11-2005, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

Almost nobody spams a sponsor without prior agreement.

sorry but i think you are wrong on this.. I was getting a ton of porn spam, it's just about stopped now, but because of something I did 2 stop it. Granted the spammers did get termed... and I sure the fuck did not opt-in 2 any list

ricks · 01-11-2005, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by webair

Was the host (Reflected) a part of the company that was mailing or were they just hosting the offending sites?

It wasnt the Reflected (reflected.net) that we know here, just a group of spammers operating under the name Reflected out of NV.

baddog · 01-11-2005, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Manowar

I read on another board they served Reflected Networks too, anyone know if thats true ?

never mind

Wizzurd · 01-11-2005, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ricks

It wasnt the Reflected (reflected.net) that we know here, just a group of spammers operating under the name Reflected out of NV.

Pretty sure you are wrong there, it's the same company (reflected.net), but its been under new management recently, dosen't mean they were clean before the management change..

TKoProductions · 01-11-2005, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Wizzurd

Pretty sure you are wrong there, it's the same company (reflected.net), but its been under new management recently, dosen't mean they were clean before the management change..

Are you still pimpin with that finely crafted goblet of yours?

I believe it was a limited edition Burger King Lord of the Rings cup.

stev0 · 01-11-2005, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by abadfish

Am I the only one that thinks this is a good thing? Does anyone really like spam? (Besides spammers) and I don't think its appropriate for adult spam anyways...

Spamming is for bottom feeders.... we need to get rid of it in order to keep this industry somewhat reputable. I think this is a step in the right direction, programs need to let their affiliates know that spam will not be tolerated.

Jon2 · 01-11-2005, 03:54 PM

Check out www.reflected.net

"01/11/05 - The FTC's recent press release regarding the investigation of WTFRC, Inc. of Las Vegas alleges charges being brought forth against several individuals and corporations which operate out of the Las Vegas, NV area. While the FTC charges WTFRC, Inc., doing business as Reflected Networks, Inc., as a defendant in the case, the charges are not against Reflected Networks, Inc. of Illinois, with its presence at www.reflected.net. For more information please contact [email protected]. "

Thats their side of things...

Jon

JoeBlow2005 · 01-11-2005, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ricks

It wasnt the Reflected (reflected.net) that we know here, just a group of spammers operating under the name Reflected out of NV.

Reflected Networks was owned by Dustin Hamilton, same as the owner of the other companies named in the suit. The company, with Phil Dorff was in Chicago. Although they recently sold the company, Dustin and Phil were working together to clear off their servers of any suspect content. They were involved with and were aware of what was going on.

FightThisPatent · 01-11-2005, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmyf

you got's 2 be fucking 100% nuts to use a Earthlink or AOL proxie... But guess what.. got spammers that do it.

Earthlink and AOL go after spammers who send email into their systems (ie. [email protected])

If they did use earthlink resources (ie. proxies running on their network), then they would also get nailed for "digital trespassing" and other creative charges that are already on the books. Using telephone wires going across state lines is how it easily becomes a federal offense.

Fight the War Games!

Wizzurd · 01-11-2005, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TKoProductions

Are you still pimpin with that finely crafted goblet of yours?

I believe it was a limited edition Burger King Lord of the Rings cup.

Nah that's not me but even if it was, it's kinda sad you still remember that

Maybe next time you can post another useless comment, or two...

Wizzurd · 01-11-2005, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jon

Check out www.reflected.net

"01/11/05 - The FTC's recent press release regarding the investigation of WTFRC, Inc. of Las Vegas alleges charges being brought forth against several individuals and corporations which operate out of the Las Vegas, NV area. While the FTC charges WTFRC, Inc., doing business as Reflected Networks, Inc., as a defendant in the case, the charges are not against Reflected Networks, Inc. of Illinois, with its presence at www.reflected.net. For more information please contact [email protected]. "

Thats their side of things...

Jon

Looks like reflected.net is good to go then

SykkBoy · 01-11-2005, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DeanCapture

Most sponsors don't give a fuck if their affilites are spamming anyways. As long as the money continues to roll in .... the spamming is overlooked. I applaud the FTC for taking some action against spammers, their sponsors, their hosting and billing companies.

don't forget the content providers....
re-read your aiding an abetting laws...

this is why I have turned down some very large mailers...if they can't guarantee can-spam compliance...I can't guarantee they'll be paid...

it's not about how I feel about mailers as much as how I feel about not having feds breaking down my door...

the feds will try whatever way they can to thin the herd...in this case, they apparently used can-spam...next time it'll be 2257, then models coming forward alledging they were forced to shoot porn...

I saw it in the telemarketing industry and it's going to happen in this industry...the only reason there weren't more arrests and such is September 11th and the war in Iraq was distracting everyone's attention...now we have a President in an unpopular war and other problems brewing and this is a nice diversion...

unsolicted advice to everyone: watch your shit very closely...use some of that money to hire good attorneys rather than living like rockstars...

SmokeyTheBear · 01-11-2005, 04:38 PM

Lots of the people charged were on spamhaus for awhile now..

http://www.spamhaus.org/rokso/eviden...kso_id=ROK4094

beemk · 01-11-2005, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by xlogger

So their are people selling crack on the street and they are going after spammers? geez
This is exactally what happened to stupidcash. Its obvious.

you act like crack dealers never get arrested, when they do get arrested theres always more to take their place. you break the law you risk getting arrested, no matter what you do.

SmokeyTheBear · 01-11-2005, 04:44 PM

Hmm this is of one of the people charged.

http://tinyurl.com/4mx3c

crockett · 01-11-2005, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ytcracker

According to Piccionelli, the presence of federal agents at Internext highlights a trend he expects to see grow over the next several years as government prosecution of the adult industry increases.

?There really was not an elaborate internationally known set of shows that the adult business gathers at back in the ?70s and early ?80s,? Piccionelli said. ?At different times, when there are justice department sweeps, don?t be surprised if this becomes a mode of operation for the government in the future. They like getting everybody in one place and serving them.?

dont go to conventions

yep keep it all on the down low... looks like it's getting close to time to relocate out of the US. Fucking Nazi pecker head in office..

SmokeyTheBear · 01-11-2005, 04:53 PM

hmm never noticed this guy..

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/member.php?u=5885

Is mentioned in the charges

ricks · 01-11-2005, 05:43 PM

so reflected.net is reflected networks in the lawsuit?

this is getting confusing

Jon2 · 01-11-2005, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ricks

so reflected.net is reflected networks in the lawsuit?

this is getting confusing

"01/11/05 - The FTC's recent press release regarding the investigation of WTFRC, Inc. of Las Vegas alleges charges being brought forth against several individuals and corporations which operate out of the Las Vegas, NV area. While the FTC charges WTFRC, Inc., doing business as Reflected Networks, Inc., as a defendant in the case, the charges are not against Reflected Networks, Inc. of Illinois, with its presence at www.reflected.net. For more information please contact [email protected]. "

Jon

AndrewKanuck · 01-11-2005, 08:13 PM

Glad i removed my links when the first thread was created.

SmokeyTheBear · 01-11-2005, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ricks

so reflected.net is reflected networks in the lawsuit?

this is getting confusing

yes

01-11-2005, 01:05 PM	#103
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SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	Lots of the people charged were on spamhaus for awhile now.. http://www.spamhaus.org/rokso/eviden...kso_id=ROK4094 __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

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SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	Hmm this is of one of the people charged. http://tinyurl.com/4mx3c __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

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SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	hmm never noticed this guy.. http://www.gofuckyourself.com/member.php?u=5885 Is mentioned in the charges __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

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ricks Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 924	so reflected.net is reflected networks in the lawsuit? this is getting confusing __________________ [QUOTE=DavieVegas]Now i apologize for people who I have scammed in the past or future.QUOTE]

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fünkmaster So Fucking Banned Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 791	... very interesting.

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BackToMine Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 541	about time too

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Calvinguy Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: European Union Posts: 1,752	I hope (legal) clients of Reflected are not going to be troubled by this

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Pipecrew Master of Gfy.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 14,887	We should expect to see the FTC go after master and expert spammer Doctor Dre.

01-11-2005, 03:54 PM	#125
Jon2 So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 2,875	Check out www.reflected.net "01/11/05 - The FTC's recent press release regarding the investigation of WTFRC, Inc. of Las Vegas alleges charges being brought forth against several individuals and corporations which operate out of the Las Vegas, NV area. While the FTC charges WTFRC, Inc., doing business as Reflected Networks, Inc., as a defendant in the case, the charges are not against Reflected Networks, Inc. of Illinois, with its presence at www.reflected.net. For more information please contact [email protected]. " Thats their side of things... Jon

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