Any point in sending a bounced check back to iBill

[RegUser]

My check has been returned.
Obviously iBill wants me to send them the returned check so that they can issue another one.
ya baby!
Is there anyone here who had any suck luck with getting money back?
or is it time to join the lawsuit?

[xclusive]

Don't think that you would get anything anytime soon

[freeadultcontent]

ya do know writting bad checks is illegal, and sending it back would be returning evidence to them right?

[TheFrog]

the checks are bounching now ?? bad to worse

[suesheboy]

Dont send it back. A copy will be enough for them.

Tell them if they insist that you will pay for a stop order fee on the original bounced check. It's worth it to retain the bad check.

Florida has very strong laws about writing a bad check. The state can now go after them.

[thePelican]

i remember having a 3 cent check that bounced.

[SuckOnThis]

I'm in the same boat and there's no way in hell I'm going to send them back. Why the hell do they want us to send them back anyway? They can figure out that the checks were issued on an account no longer open, its complete bullshit.
Even more fucked up is if you call to speak to their accounting dept you get voicemail. I seriously doubt there is anything that can be done on a criminal level , since they are offering to reissue the checks if you send them back. I'm seriously considering flying down there, but as the saying goes, don't chase bad money with good money.

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by suesheboy

Dont send it back. A copy will be enough for them.

Tell them if they insist that you will pay for a stop order fee on the original bounced check. It's worth it to retain the bad check.

They wouldnt need a stop order fee, the ones I have are from a closed account.

[Webby]

SuckOnThis:

They wouldnt need a stop order fee, the ones I have are from a closed account.

May sound a stupid question... but have you been reimbursed for these checks yet or requested payment??

Not that there is any reason why you should have to request payment - this should be automatic since they know the checks are crap.

[suesheboy]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

They wouldnt need a stop order fee, the ones I have are from a closed account.

Then there is no reason to return them.

Call the district attorney in the county they opperate in. They will tell you what to do.

[emthree]

Looks like it's time to fight for your money.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by freeadultcontent

ya do know writting bad checks is illegal, and sending it back would be returning evidence to them right?

Yup, I wouldnt go and charge them with FRAUD

[tony286]

is this one of the checks from when they changed banks?

[Sosa]

I had some that bounced from them before, they had me send them back and they issued new ones.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by JFK

Yup, I wouldnt go and charge them with FRAUD

you have to prove intent its not that easy. Also they did post on cmi that they changed banks :

Clients & RevSharers: Cashing of Checks Dated October 29, 2004 or Earlier
iBill has established a new commercial banking relationship for all of our day to day business requirements including Client and RevShare payouts. If a check is returned by your bank, please contact [email protected] for re-issuance.

[Webby]

Sosa:

I had some that bounced from them before, they had me send them back and they issued new ones.

I sure as well would not be sending em back, tho maybe that was in better times :-)

I just found out more shit and the tolerance level is now into a substantial negative value! Can't say here at the moment, but just that lies have a habit of surfacing in the weirdest places... and impossible to dispute.

[RegUser]

hmmm
so i thought too
there is no point in sending them the check
it is time to slam them before they declare bankruptcy

[Sosa]

This was back before all this shit was happening, earlier this summer I think. I got the checks back no problem.

Originally Posted by Webby

Sosa:



I sure as well would not be sending em back, tho maybe that was in better times :-)

I just found out more shit and the tolerance level is now into a substantial negative value! Can't say here at the moment, but just that lies have a habit of surfacing in the weirdest places... and impossible to dispute.

[tony286]

I find it interesting all this fire feeding done by people with low post counts. Things that make you go hmmmm.

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by tony404

I find it interesting all this fire feeding done by people with low post counts. Things that make you go hmmmm.

Sorry if my post count doesnt meet your standards, but regardless, wtf are you saying? I'm lying?

[tony286]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Sorry if my post count doesnt meet your standards, but regardless, wtf are you saying? I'm lying?

1000 is not a low post count under 100 is .

[Dawgy]

i agree tony.

altho i found out today that ibill has been paying certain eu clients every week, on time, without delay or problem... if they can pay these certain clients, why cant they pay others? what are they doing with the money they collect from consumers?

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Dawgy

i agree tony.

altho i found out today that ibill has been paying certain eu clients every week, on time, without delay or problem... if they can pay these certain clients, why cant they pay others? what are they doing with the money they collect from consumers?

From what I understand EU is a totally different beast then ibillus.
What they are probably doing with the money, well if they plan on staying afloat and a bunch of people stopped sending them sign ups. That means less money coming in . They are probably paying operational expenses, Im just as scared as everyone else but I do know that those expenses have to come first if they plan on going forward.You cant get financing if the lights are out and the phones are shut off. Once again you really dont want to see them fail ,then its down to two to go to one from there is not hard . Then the new rates come.

[Webby]

tony404:

I find it interesting all this fire feeding done by people with low post counts. Things that make you go hmmmm.

Post counts are irrelevant - there are many people on the net who have been around far longer than folks with high post counts.

On iBill... there is no defense for the behaviour of iBill. I am supportive of any company in hard times unless this is due to their own mismanagement and absurd judgement.

Any fire is caused by iBill promises and excuses - not by any client. There would be no fire if iBill kept to their claims.

Any biz that dumps checks on clients knowing bank accounts were/would be closed and then not reimbursing these clients, is basically a fraudulent business.

Is there any other way of viewing this???? I can't see any defense... anywhere.

[Dawgy]

Originally Posted by tony404

From what I understand EU is a totally different beast then ibillus.
What they are probably doing with the money, well if they plan on staying afloat and a bunch of people stopped sending them sign ups. That means less money coming in . They are probably paying operational expenses, Im just as scared as everyone else but I do know that those expenses have to come first if they plan on going forward.You cant get financing if the lights are out and the phones are shut off. Once again you really dont want to see them fail ,then its down to two to go to one from there is not hard . Then the new rates come.

yeah they stopped paying people who stopped sending joins.

im talking about people who are still sending joins, and who have been getting paid 10-15 days late on eu payments, but are now being totally ignored. meanwhile, some people are getting paid every week for their eu joins & rebills. its just more ammunition for a lawsuit.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Webby

tony404:



Post counts are irrelevant - there are many people on the net who have been around far longer than folks with high post counts.

On iBill... there is no defense for the behaviour of iBill. I am supportive of any company in hard times unless this is due to their own mismanagement and absurd judgement.

Any fire is caused by iBill promises and excuses - not by any client. There would be no fire if iBill kept to their claims.

Any biz that dumps checks on clients knowing bank accounts were/would be closed and then not reimbursing these clients, is basically a fraudulent business.

Is there any other way of viewing this???? I can't see any defense... anywhere.

You cant say dumps checks . When we are in a industry where people leave thousands of dollars in paypal accounts and sit on stacks of checks. Thats why a check comes in its deposited the same day whether its 25 dollars or 3000 dollars.Nothing bounced on me did any thing bounce for you ? Not getting paid yes bouncing no? I think there is a feeding of a fire so close to internext all of a sudden these threads are popping up. you dont want to be down to two companies.

[Webby]

tony404:

They are probably paying operational expenses,

Hear ya! :-)

The fact that iBill *may* be using client funds to sustain their biz is exactly the problem. iBill have no rights to even touch client funds, but obviously can do whatever they like with the processing commission fees charged.

That alone is bordering on some serious legal implications. You think you or I would be allowed liberties of accessing client funds in any biz we operated and dispensing them as we see fit - I think we would expect some criminal action :-)

Tho.. who knows, they are probably saving up all funds to make everyone happy in 2005....

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by tony404

1000 is not a low post count under 100 is .

Okay I apologize, it sounded like you were lumping me in with your comment.

But to answer your question, yes, they were from their old bank. I was in the middle of a move and Ibill is not my main source of income so its not like I ran to the bank and deposited them as soon as they came. I have 3 of them that total close to 10 grand and the oldest was maybe two months old when I deposited them. I also stopped using Ibill about a year ago so I didnt go in their CMI very often. So I should have deposited them sooner, I know. My point on this whole thing is now they want me to mail the checks back to get new ones re-issued which is fucked up when all they have to do is look at my account and know that the checks were issued from their old account and issue new ones. If I knew for sure they would do it and everything would be cool then fine, but with all the crap going on there it makes me wonder why they want me to mail them back in the first place.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Webby

tony404:



Hear ya! :-)

The fact that iBill *may* be using client funds to sustain their biz is exactly the problem. iBill have no rights to even touch client funds, but obviously can do whatever they like with the processing commission fees charged.

That alone is bordering on some serious legal implications. You think you or I would be allowed liberties of accessing client funds in any biz we operated and dispensing them as we see fit - I think we would expect some criminal action :-)

Tho.. who knows, they are probably saving up all funds to make everyone happy in 2005....

Your kidding right banks do it all the time , so does the government and probably more businesses then I can think of. In theory since they are the third party processors clients its their money and we are owed commissions for our services.

The float is probably how these companies exist that if they just spent their percentage they wouldnt last for long. look at the ones that folded they dropped very quick and no one got paid. If recurring never existed I wonder if third party processors would exist.

[xxxcooper]

I had 4 ibill checks bounce back in March.....

I, like and idiot, did what i was told on the phone, when i called them, to find out how to go about taking care of the issue, and sent them back to them.

thats where it ended......

forget getting your money back!!!

Pay your bank fees on the checks and stop dealing with ibill.

To all the people who are kissing ibill's ass, and saying shit like.....

well at least they are trying.....

FUCK YOU!!!! You have got to be some of the dumbest peices of shit to vacate this fucking biz!!!

wake the fuck up!!!

Ibill has fucked so many good, fucking honest people in this biz....

Forget your fucking money....

They owe so many fucking millions of dollars.

How in the hell, they are getting away with a booth at internext is INSANE!!!

UN - FUCKING - BELIEVABLE!!!!!

[Webby]

You cant say dumps checks . When we are in a industry where people leave thousands of dollars in paypal accounts and sit on stacks of checks. Thats why a check comes in its deposited the same day whether its 25 dollars or 3000 dollars.Nothing bounced on me did any thing bounce for you ? Not getting paid yes bouncing no? I think there is a feeding of a fire so close to internext all of a sudden these threads are popping up. you dont want to be down to two companies.

OK :-) Let's put the wording accurate. iBill issued checks on a bank account and these checks, when presented, were declined for any payment. The reason being the bank account was closed.

Ignoring all other stuff... If any responsible person closed their banks accounts, or had them closed, after issuing a series of checks, - they would immediately contact the holders of the checks and replace them. This did not happen.

It is even worse when the company that did this is actually involved in financial business and handling funds belonging to others.

All the unpaid check stuff is almost drowned by the blantant lies/avoidance/deception/excuses currently being thrown around to several webmasters in efforts to avoid paying them. This is not a myth or fire raising, but a fact of daily life with a growing number of folks, both in the US and EU.

Sure.. I never wanted to see any processor have problems, but this is not new and just a repetition of previous scenarios where clients end up bearing the cost of the crap from supposed "processors" - in this instance, once with millions of dollars of liabilities and clearly nada assets.

I am not financing any bullshit InterNext stand for iBill - I want paid now without excuses, - tho, the lying overrides any monitory interest now.

[xxxcooper]

they are allready being sued by at least one company I know of.....

ibill is finished.

[xxxcooper]

Originally Posted by Webby

OK :-) Let's put the wording accurate. iBill issued checks on a bank account and these checks, when presented, were declined for any payment. The reason being the bank account was closed.

Ignoring all other stuff... If any responsible person closed their banks accounts, or had them closed, after issuing a series of checks, - they would immediately contact the holders of the checks and replace them. This did not happen.

It is even worse when the company that did this is actually involved in financial business and handling funds belonging to others.

All the unpaid check stuff is almost drowned by the blantant lies/avoidance/deception/excuses currently being thrown around to several webmasters in efforts to avoid paying them. This is not a myth or fire raising, but a fact of daily life with a growing number of folks, both in the US and EU.

Sure.. I never wanted to see any processor have problems, but this is not new and just a repetition of previous scenarios where clients end up bearing the cost of the crap from supposed "processors" - in this instance, once with millions of dollars of liabilities and clearly nada assets.

I am not financing any bullshit InterNext stand for iBill - I want paid now without excuses, - tho, the lying overrides any monitory interest now.

I had checks bounce way back in march.....so they've been honing there "criminal activity skills" for awhile now....

they are soo fucked..

why ppl even think they are ever going to come through and be honest with anyone, is extremely naive...

[tony286]

March? I find that hard to believe Also I heard ibill is not going to have a booth.

[Webby]

tony404:

Also I heard ibill is not going to have a booth.

Seriously Tony... there is no way they can have.

There is no point in having a stand unless they are into some sado fetish and want to leave themselves open to accepting some paperwork.

I understand you and appreciate what you say, but lately I've saw some actual paperwork/records that leave no doubt there is a severe problem and *may* involved more than just a civil action.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Webby

tony404:



Seriously Tony... there is no way they can have.

There is no point in having a stand unless they are into some sado fetish and want to leave themselves open to accepting some paperwork.

I understand you and appreciate what you say, but lately I've saw some actual paperwork/records that leave no doubt there is a severe problem and *may* involved more than just a civil action.

I agree unless they showed up with trunks of money lol . I am just trying to be positive. Im working on more mainstream stuff in 2005 thats not high risk processing. I dont like this situation its like being on a fucking day job having no control.

[xxxcooper]

hard to believe huh???

well thats what fucking happened.....
why would i fucking make it up????

you'd think they've got bigger fucking problems, then my measely 4 checks.

Thats how they handled it.... I sent several emails after i sent them the checks back..... and called.....and was given the run around......over and over again, until i finally, gave up.

Why in the fuck would i make shit up about 4 stupid fucking checks?????

I dont even give a shit about the 4 checks.....i received checks after that, that cashed fine.....but I ate those 4 checks and I ate the bank fees, until the checks stopped coming alltogether.

Whats so fucking hard to beleive about that????

[Webby]

tony404:

I agree unless they showed up with trunks of money lol . I am just trying to be positive. I working on more mainstream stuff in 2005 thats not high risk processing. I dont like this situation its like being on a fucking day job having no control.

I started off being too damned liberal with them - that's my fault. Then it turns out they ain't paid one of our companies for months. This, fortunately, was the only company that deals with em and was by design years ago when processor problems started. The risk was spread for security.

It's not even the money any more that is annoying - it's the damned lies and deception, - especially coming from a biz that is being trusted with funds.

Dunno what will happen... but have two lawyers checking stuff out now and going to be working over the New Year to establish stuff. So far, it's not a pretty picture, just amazing incompetence and some dubious people in the background.

Sounds like I'm the same as you - can't stand bullshit!!! :-)

[Alexander D Great]

yeah i know for sure the eu is a different thing and they probably want to have only one front to fight at. Its no good having legal action in the us and from the eu so this is obviously why ppl get "better" treatment..

[xxxcooper]

ibill has been screwing people out of millions for months now...

how is it hard to believe they bounced 4 checks in march?

[xxxcooper]

Originally Posted by Webby

tony404:



I started off being too damned liberal with them - that's my fault. Then it turns out they ain't paid one of our companies for months. This, fortunately, was the only company that deals with em and was by design years ago when processor problems started. The risk was spread for security.

It's not even the money any more that is annoying - it's the damned lies and deception, - especially coming from a biz that is being trusted with funds.

Dunno what will happen... but have two lawyers checking stuff out now and going to be working over the New Year to establish stuff. So far, it's not a pretty picture, just amazing incompetence and some dubious people in the background.

Sounds like I'm the same as you - can't stand bullshit!!! :-)

getting lawyers together....

I think its a little late...

your lawyers will have to get in line.

[Webby]

xxxcooper:

getting lawyers together....

I think its a little late...

your lawyers will have to get in line.

Some bits are in line already... and others are working a different angle, so one way or other there is going to be a settlement time, if not in actual cash payment.

[Cogitator]

Is it true they aren't going to have a booth at Internext? I heard that today.

[Webby]

Hi iBill...

Just thought I'd greet you and ask if you managed to raise a pen to a checkbook and sign a few payments??

And, while you are at it - these promissory notes??