Ideas for Stopping TGP Cheaters - GoFuckYourself.com

Babaganoosh · 12-31-2004, 01:54 AM

I was thinking about how to limit the number of cheaters that get through. I have had a few ideas on how to do it. Are these stupid or do you think they would actually help?

1. Allow partners to submit galleries from only one domain (or possibly a few but they have to be pre-approved first).
2. Use GeoIP to control where submitters can submit from (I know they can just use a proxy but the submitter won't know that)
3. Block proxies (as best I can).
4. Use flash instead of images for passphrase verification (OCR is getting better and better but it still doesn't work on Flash to the best of my knowledge).

The one that really interests me is #1. Are there any sites out there that are already doing that?

newbreed · 12-31-2004, 01:55 AM

Public execution is the only answer to cheaters...

ytcracker · 12-31-2004, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by newbreed

Public execution is the only answer to cheaters...

Dirty F · 12-31-2004, 01:56 AM

All good and stuff but like always the problem will be getting everybody to work the same way.
You can find 20 tgps who will do this and the other 20000 wont.

newbreed · 12-31-2004, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ytcracker

DPC4L

SmokeyTheBear · 12-31-2004, 01:58 AM

dns blacklists work great domain blacklists are pointless as are proxy blacklists

Babaganoosh · 12-31-2004, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Franck

All good and stuff but like always the problem will be getting everybody to work the same way.
You can find 20 tgps who will do this and the other 20000 wont.

Yeah, I'm worried about my own little network though. Frankly I don't want everyone to do what I am doing. I already get compliments on how few redirects my sites have compared to many others. The more cheaters my competition has, the better it is for me.

Babaganoosh · 12-31-2004, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

dns blacklists work great domain blacklists are pointless as are proxy blacklists

Yeah, I have a massive dns blacklist. It helps but a lot of cheaters are doing a different DNS server for every domain. I am also doing a whois blacklist that checks the registrar and other information. There are a few really common cheaters that whois checks flag almost every time.

Babaganoosh · 12-31-2004, 02:02 AM

Holy shit! What have I done? I started a business related thread on GFY. My apologies for being on topic.

newbreed · 12-31-2004, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Armed & Hammered

Holy shit! What have I done? I started a business related thread on GFY. My apologies for being on topic.

OMG - The horror...

Juicy D. Links · 12-31-2004, 02:23 AM

Dont take public submits. Make yourself a db mixed with your own galleries and fhg's

Babaganoosh · 12-31-2004, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

Dont take public submits. Make yourself a db mixed with your own galleries and fhg's

I'd love and I do have my own galleries mixed with almost 100K hosted gals but I have to have about 500K galleries in my DB at all times or my sites will cease to exist. Surfers notice rotating galleries so I have to at least take partner submissions...and some of those fuckers are the worst cheaters. That's why I thought maybe limiting them to one or two domains would work.

MBS Auto · 12-31-2004, 02:38 AM

I would be the first in line

Babaganoosh · 12-31-2004, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by MBS Auto

I would be the first in line

First in line for what?

tolik · 12-31-2004, 04:38 AM

give partners account only to people who you know and allow them submit up to 10-20 galleries per day (with different templates, etc)

TheFrog · 12-31-2004, 04:38 AM

some very good ideas you have there

Spunky · 12-31-2004, 07:29 AM

My script bans atleast 100-150 everyday...I think it is only getting worse...My blacklist must have 4000 domains blacklisted...fuckin cheaters

Babaganoosh · 12-31-2004, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by spunky

My script bans atleast 100-150 everyday...I think it is only getting worse...My blacklist must have 4000 domains blacklisted...fuckin cheaters

Yeah, this shit is out of control. I guess as they get more sophisticated with their cheating, we need to do the same with prevention.

NickPapageorgio · 12-31-2004, 04:16 PM

www.remotethumbs.com

Over 100 sponsors with all kinds of FHG in the system. Easy to setup and cheater free.

lmao...on a side note...this was a tshirt I had designed a while back. Nothing about you with the insanity part. Just thought it was a funny coincidence.

Jon2 · 12-31-2004, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Armed & Hammered

Yeah, I have a massive dns blacklist. It helps but a lot of cheaters are doing a different DNS server for every domain. I am also doing a whois blacklist that checks the registrar and other information. There are a few really common cheaters that whois checks flag almost every time.

Icq me I would like to talk more about this...

59505407

Thanks

Jon

kemp · 12-31-2004, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by NickPapageorgio

Over 100 sponsors with all kinds of FHG in the system. Easy to setup and cheater free.

BS - I have to regularly go through my FHG's to make sure the sponsors aren't redirecting them.

SGS · 12-31-2004, 04:21 PM

Good thread and on new years eve too

NickPapageorgio · 12-31-2004, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kemp

BS - I have to regularly go through my FHG's to make sure the sponsors aren't redirecting them.

wow...I haven't had a problem at all. You may want to let them know that. I will let Inabon know about this.

Babaganoosh · 12-31-2004, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by NickPapageorgio

www.remotethumbs.com

Over 100 sponsors with all kinds of FHG in the system. Easy to setup and cheater free.

lmao...on a side note...this was a tshirt I had designed a while back. Nothing about you with the insanity part. Just thought it was a funny coincidence.

That rocks. If you have any of the shirts left I would be happy to buy some off you.

FreeHugeMovies · 12-31-2004, 05:19 PM

FHG and your own galleries is not a solution. You won't gain bookmarks with that. Also, using remote thumbs is also not really a fix either bc. lot's of their thumbs are bad. Plus with remote thumbs your site won't gain bookmarks either.

Babaganoosh · 12-31-2004, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by FreeHugeMovies

FHG and your own galleries is not a solution. You won't gain bookmarks with that. Also, using remote thumbs is also not really a fix either bc. lot's of their thumbs are bad. Plus with remote thumbs your site won't gain bookmarks either.

I just dropped you a message on ICQ. Hit me back when you get a chance.

NickPapageorgio · 12-31-2004, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Armed & Hammered

That rocks. If you have any of the shirts left I would be happy to buy some off you.

Actually I am in cahoots with a couple other people and we are going to be starting a shirt site sort of along the lines of tshirt hell.

In other words, none have been printed yet. But when they do I will look you up

GFED · 12-31-2004, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by qualitythumbs

Icq me I would like to talk more about this...

59505407

Thanks

Jon

Hi Jon!

Didn't you have something like this already a long time back?

pornguy · 12-31-2004, 07:55 PM

We also do very little redirect, and the clicks are amazing.

FreeHugeMovies · 12-31-2004, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Armed & Hammered

I just dropped you a message on ICQ. Hit me back when you get a chance.

Hello, I never got your message.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 12-31-2004, 09:41 PM

Word of wisdom...

"So long as there is a game there is a cheater" Alienq 2005

Babaganoosh · 01-16-2005, 12:10 AM

bumpity bump

Shoehorn! · 01-16-2005, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Armed & Hammered

I was thinking about how to limit the number of cheaters that get through. I have had a few ideas on how to do it. Are these stupid or do you think they would actually help?

1. Allow partners to submit galleries from only one domain (or possibly a few but they have to be pre-approved first).
2. Use GeoIP to control where submitters can submit from (I know they can just use a proxy but the submitter won't know that)
3. Block proxies (as best I can).
4. Use flash instead of images for passphrase verification (OCR is getting better and better but it still doesn't work on Flash to the best of my knowledge).

The one that really interests me is #1. Are there any sites out there that are already doing that?

Number 4 is your best bet if you want to stop automated submissions. Are having partner accounts that cheat really a big problem?

Babaganoosh · 01-16-2005, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Shoehorn

Number 4 is your best bet if you want to stop automated submissions. Are having partner accounts that cheat really a big problem?

Yup, huge problem. I had caught people submitting with 4 different accounts.

Shoehorn! · 01-16-2005, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Armed & Hammered

Yup, huge problem. I had caught people submitting with 4 different accounts.

Damn. You should give me an account, I don't cheat, it'd be one less submitter you'd have to worry about.

Hey You . . . I Know You! · 01-16-2005, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by NickPapageorgio

www.remotethumbs.com

lmao...on a side note...this was a tshirt I had designed a while back. Nothing about you with the insanity part. Just thought it was a funny coincidence.

Ya, that is a very old joke. There are a few organizations that have crates of similar t-shirts from years gone bye.

Babaganoosh · 01-16-2005, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Hey You . . . I Know You!

Ya, that is a very old joke. There are a few organizations that have crates of similar t-shirts from years gone bye.

They should sell me the logo. I actually have the domain armedandhammered.com.

jt420 · 01-16-2005, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Armed & Hammered

Yup, huge problem. I had caught people submitting with 4 different accounts.

sucks man, youd expect someone who wants to take the time to get partner accounts would want to keep them.

Tempest · 01-16-2005, 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Armed & Hammered

I was thinking about how to limit the number of cheaters that get through. I have had a few ideas on how to do it. Are these stupid or do you think they would actually help?

1. Allow partners to submit galleries from only one domain (or possibly a few but they have to be pre-approved first).
2. Use GeoIP to control where submitters can submit from (I know they can just use a proxy but the submitter won't know that)
3. Block proxies (as best I can).
4. Use flash instead of images for passphrase verification (OCR is getting better and better but it still doesn't work on Flash to the best of my knowledge).

The one that really interests me is #1. Are there any sites out there that are already doing that?

I'm implementing #1 (pre-approved domains) into my script in the next few months actually. Currently I check registrar info (certain registrars like parava for example are banned), whois and often the whois of the DNS. I'm probably going to start pre-approving those as well. Often you can find a complete "network" of sites going from one DNS to another and they're often in the same C-block which I end up banning.

#4 - Why do you need this if you have partner accounts anyways?

Babaganoosh · 01-16-2005, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Tempest

I'm implementing #1 (pre-approved domains) into my script in the next few months actually. Currently I check registrar info (certain registrars like parava for example are banned), whois and often the whois of the DNS. I'm probably going to start pre-approving those as well. Often you can find a complete "network" of sites going from one DNS to another and they're often in the same C-block which I end up banning.

#4 - Why do you need this if you have partner accounts anyways?

I already do registrar and DNS banning.

As for #4, I don't want submissions to be automated. I send enough traffic to make a manual submission worth it. If a partner goes bad, perhaps he won't dick with me if he actually has to work to get his gallery listed.

DarkJedi · 01-16-2005, 03:15 AM

Go to pay listings.

Sell a 30-day submit pass for a nominal fee ($50 or something)

Huggles · 01-16-2005, 03:26 AM

What site do you run?

Can I get a partner?

46723362

Babaganoosh · 01-16-2005, 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Huggles

What site do you run?

Can I get a partner?

46723362

That's not really what this thread is about.

Huggles · 01-16-2005, 03:49 AM

Well, if you don't want cheaters, I'm applying for a submit account!

I've been doing galleries for over 2 years and I'm friends with several top webmasters

My suggestion is you charge a 1-time fee of $100 or so.

Tempest · 01-16-2005, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Armed & Hammered

I already do registrar and DNS banning.

As for #4, I don't want submissions to be automated. I send enough traffic to make a manual submission worth it. If a partner goes bad, perhaps he won't dick with me if he actually has to work to get his gallery listed.

I've always felt that "great" submitters should be able to use autosubmitters etc. What I've implemented is different "levels" of being a submitter. The top of the ladder guys (prefered) get to use autosubmitters etc. The bottom (new partners) have to manually submit to prove themselves. If a prefered partner starts dicking around, they get demoted.

My biggest headache lately is people using scripts to auto generate their galleries and the scripts they have randomly select recips to include with ours. A lot of those recips have mutiple links out, links to hubs/traps, links to non-porn sites and the list goes on. I haven't decided how to deal with that but It's going to result in even more bans and stricter rules etc.

ADL Colin · 01-16-2005, 06:29 AM

I have a good idea for finding traffic cheaters that I used when I used to run TGPs. I'll give it to anyone who runs a TGP but if enough people find about it they will exploit it. Feel free to email me if I know you or you email me from a tgp address.

[email protected]

Rui · 01-16-2005, 06:37 AM

Lots of great suggestions you got there Armed, but I guess should would imply some scripts changes cause all that working doing manually would be a nightmare...

strobi · 01-16-2005, 07:07 AM

What works for me is this -> Make a second "temp tgp" where you send a few thousand hits to. If the gallery doesn't redirect after 1 day of traffic, most of them are good to go.

Maybe make a gallery spider that loads the galleries using diffrent IPs? Most of those trojan installers blacklist the first few IPS so everything loads fine for them.

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Babaganoosh ♥♥♥ Likes Hugs ♥♥♥ Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: /home Posts: 15,841	Ideas for Stopping TGP Cheaters I was thinking about how to limit the number of cheaters that get through. I have had a few ideas on how to do it. Are these stupid or do you think they would actually help? 1. Allow partners to submit galleries from only one domain (or possibly a few but they have to be pre-approved first). 2. Use GeoIP to control where submitters can submit from (I know they can just use a proxy but the submitter won't know that) 3. Block proxies (as best I can). 4. Use flash instead of images for passphrase verification (OCR is getting better and better but it still doesn't work on Flash to the best of my knowledge). The one that really interests me is #1. Are there any sites out there that are already doing that? __________________ I like pie.

12-31-2004, 01:56 AM	#4
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	All good and stuff but like always the problem will be getting everybody to work the same way. You can find 20 tgps who will do this and the other 20000 wont.

12-31-2004, 02:23 AM	#11
Juicy D. Links So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: N.Y. -Long Island -- Posts: 122,992	Dont take public submits. Make yourself a db mixed with your own galleries and fhg's

12-31-2004, 04:38 AM	#16
TheFrog Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 4,095	some very good ideas you have there

12-31-2004, 07:29 AM	#17
Spunky I need a beer Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ♠ Toiletville ♠ Posts: 133,949	My script bans atleast 100-150 everyday...I think it is only getting worse...My blacklist must have 4000 domains blacklisted...fuckin cheaters __________________ *YOUR INFORMATION HERE*

12-31-2004, 04:16 PM	#19
NickPapageorgio Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NC Posts: 8,323	www.remotethumbs.com Over 100 sponsors with all kinds of FHG in the system. Easy to setup and cheater free. lmao...on a side note...this was a tshirt I had designed a while back. Nothing about you with the insanity part. Just thought it was a funny coincidence. __________________

12-31-2004, 04:21 PM	#22
SGS Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mallorca - Nottingham Posts: 5,176	Good thread and on new years eve too __________________ See sig...

12-31-2004, 05:19 PM	#25
FreeHugeMovies Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 14,137	FHG and your own galleries is not a solution. You won't gain bookmarks with that. Also, using remote thumbs is also not really a fix either bc. lot's of their thumbs are bad. Plus with remote thumbs your site won't gain bookmarks either.

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01-16-2005, 03:15 AM	#41
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01-16-2005, 03:49 AM	#44
Huggles GFY'S #1 retard Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Kelowna Posts: 11,258	Well, if you don't want cheaters, I'm applying for a submit account! I've been doing galleries for over 2 years and I'm friends with several top webmasters My suggestion is you charge a 1-time fee of $100 or so. __________________ https://3-veo.com/ The best AI video maker portal.

01-16-2005, 06:29 AM	#46
ADL Colin Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Tube Titans, USA Posts: 11,929	I have a good idea for finding traffic cheaters that I used when I used to run TGPs. I'll give it to anyone who runs a TGP but if enough people find about it they will exploit it. Feel free to email me if I know you or you email me from a tgp address. [email protected] __________________ Adult Date Link - $50 PPS starting NOW! -- good and JUICY! skype = "adultdatelink"

01-16-2005, 06:37 AM	#47
Rui web Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: On icq: 85-483-060 Posts: 9,533	Lots of great suggestions you got there Armed, but I guess should would imply some scripts changes cause all that working doing manually would be a nightmare...

01-16-2005, 07:07 AM	#48
strobi Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 7,383	What works for me is this -> Make a second "temp tgp" where you send a few thousand hits to. If the gallery doesn't redirect after 1 day of traffic, most of them are good to go. Maybe make a gallery spider that loads the galleries using diffrent IPs? Most of those trojan installers blacklist the first few IPS so everything loads fine for them.