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qw12er · 12-16-2004, 05:13 PM

I don't mean any disrespect, but I can't just see why intelligent ppl believe in religion.

Please explain me ...

sean416 · 12-16-2004, 05:15 PM

I wanna hear this one too.

JasonB · 12-16-2004, 05:16 PM

what makes you think there ARE intelligent people that believe in religion? Have you seen one?

Sly · 12-16-2004, 05:17 PM

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Originally posted by qw12er
I don't mean any disrespect, but I can't just see why intelligent ppl believe in religion.

Please explain me ...

Jesus is not religion.

Maybe you should think twice about who's intelligent and who isn't.

PerfectionGirls · 12-16-2004, 05:18 PM

Jesus loves me this I know, for the BIBLE tells me so.

qw12er · 12-16-2004, 05:18 PM

ok here a more "processed" question :

What makes you think that god sent is son on earth to save us ?

sean416 · 12-16-2004, 05:20 PM

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Originally posted by qw12er
ok here a more "processed" question :

What makes you think that god sent is son on earth to save us ?

a better question:

what makes you think theres an invisible man in the sky who sees everything you do and will send you to a fiery pit of hell if you are bad, but if you are good you will go to a flowery place called heaven.

r3ap3r · 12-16-2004, 05:20 PM

We a sinful creatures. Masterbation makes baby Jesus cry.

qw12er · 12-16-2004, 05:22 PM

guys I wanted a real answer ...

theking · 12-16-2004, 05:27 PM

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Originally posted by qw12er
ok here a more "processed" question :

What makes you think that god sent is son on earth to save us ?

No one truly believes that unless they have had an eppiphany. An eppiphany is personal and may never be experienced by the collective "you" in a life time...but is experienced by the individual "you".

12-16-2004, 05:32 PM

I do believe in jesus, he was a man who once walked the earth and helped people

but I do not believe in religion and the religious god

I think like Spinoza does, that God is a part of nature and it is the "flow" of it. as well as the mathematical standards that we live with today, that, for me, is god

not some spirit that will send me to heaven or hell

ironlung · 12-16-2004, 05:32 PM

i think the bible is all bull shit

anyone ever heard of the council of nicaea

qw12er · 12-16-2004, 05:36 PM

My brother suffer from Schizo ... He does things like Jesus "did". Even if Jesus really existed I have diffculties not to think he was a Schizo too ...

that's why I asked that question.

theking · 12-16-2004, 05:37 PM

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Originally posted by bdjuf
I do believe in jesus, he was a man who once walked the earth and helped people

but I do not believe in religion and the religious god

I think like Spinoza does, that God is a part of nature and it is the "flow" of it. as well as the mathematical standards that we live with today, that, for me, is god

not some spirit that will send me to heaven or hell

As I explained..."eppiphany"...and you may never experience an "eppiphany" about any subject in your lifetime.

aico · 12-16-2004, 05:39 PM

I believe there was a man named Jesus, but I think maybe the whole story thing got a little bit "distorted"... Ever play the game Password where you whisper a phrase and pass it on and by the time it gets back to you it's something completely different?

If people can believe that shit now, with all that we know, just imagine how gullable people were back then, maybe Jesus was the worlds greatest con-artist?

Anyway, even if Jesus did "come back" one day, who the fuck would believe him? Maybe he already did come back and is on meds now in some mental hospital.

Also, ever notice that people who really really believe in Jesus and need him the most are those who have hit rock bottom in life (or close to it), and don't want to take responsibility for their bullshit.

Jesus won't save you, save your own ass.

- Jesus Christ - · 12-16-2004, 05:39 PM

I got $10 bucks that says theking is a republican.

ironlung · 12-16-2004, 05:43 PM

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Originally posted by theking
As I explained..."eppiphany"...and you may never experience an "eppiphany" about any subject in your lifetime.

all epiphanys dont involve whether or not you are now gonna believe in god, you can have an epiphany on a wide variety of any issues in daily life

Nembrionic · 12-16-2004, 05:49 PM

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Originally posted by r3ap3r
We a sinful creatures. Masterbation makes baby Jesus cry.

That's because baby Jesus is not old enough to get wood and he really wants too....

Nembrionic · 12-16-2004, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by aico
I believe there was a man named Jesus, but I think maybe the whole story thing got a little bit "distorted"... Ever play the game Password where you whisper a phrase and pass it on and by the time it gets back to you it's something completely different?

If people can believe that shit now, with all that we know, just imagine how gullable people were back then, maybe Jesus was the worlds greatest con-artist?

Anyway, even if Jesus did "come back" one day, who the fuck would believe him? Maybe he already did come back and is on meds now in some mental hospital.

Also, ever notice that people who really really believe in Jesus and need him the most are those who have hit rock bottom in life (or close to it), and don't want to take responsibility for their bullshit.

Jesus won't save you, save your own ass.

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theking · 12-16-2004, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ironlung
all epiphanys dont involve whether or not you are now gonna believe in god, you can have an epiphany on a wide variety of any issues in daily life

I am fully aware of this...thank you very much...but one can spend a lifetime and not have an "eppiphany" about any subject.

dirtydesignz · 12-16-2004, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bdjuf
I do believe in jesus, he was a man who once walked the earth and helped people

but I do not believe in religion and the religious god

I think like Spinoza does, that God is a part of nature and it is the "flow" of it. as well as the mathematical standards that we live with today, that, for me, is god

not some spirit that will send me to heaven or hell

reynold · 12-16-2004, 06:00 PM

i only believe in karma and there's one powerful person above us.

ironlung · 12-16-2004, 06:05 PM

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Originally posted by theking
I am fully aware of this...thank you very much...but one can spend a lifetime and not have an "eppiphany" about any subject.

OK then what does that have to do with believing in jesus christ

SomeCreep · 12-16-2004, 06:06 PM

this thread lacks brain power

jimmyf · 12-16-2004, 06:08 PM

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Originally posted by theking
I am fully aware of this...thank you very much...but one can spend a lifetime and not have an "eppiphany" about any subject.

i use 2 get drunk every Dec. 6th without fail ... does that count

back in my drinking days

theking · 12-16-2004, 06:08 PM

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Originally posted by ironlung
OK then what does that have to do with believing in jesus christ

If one has an "eppiphany" about God/Jesus...the truth of the Bible...etc...the "eppiphany" makes one a true "believer"...just as having an "eppiphany" about any subject does.

jimmyf · 12-16-2004, 06:10 PM

What makes me believe in Jesus ? I don't

What makes you think that god sent is son on earth to save us ? I don't

theking · 12-16-2004, 06:12 PM

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Originally posted by jimmyf
i use 2 get drunk every Dec. 6th without fail ... does that count

back in my drinking days

Well...since you said "use 2"...you may have experienced an eppiphany and stopped. How are you doing?

Bama · 12-16-2004, 06:16 PM

I don't believe in "religion" per se. To do so will often come with it - the little caveate of also believing in heaven and hell which also comes with the beliefs of the requirements of arriving in either of those 2 places.

I don't belive if there was a "loving God", he would test us in the commonly believed manner. I also do not believe that if he did, we (as mere mortals) could give an honest answer to those tests.

Think about it for a second - worship me or burn in everlasting fire and brimstone.

What the heck kinda choice is THAT?

I remember getting my ass whipped as a child and my father asking if I was sorry I did the transgression?

Of course I said yes to him - but in my heart I was only sorry I got caught!

I don't believe a "loving God" would allow the rape, murder or torture of innocent children - and if he does - I don't want ANY part of a guy like that.

If a "God" wanted to be worshipped so he creates mankind and that same "God" is all knowing - you'd think he'd have seen what was coming and that he'd be destroying the everything on it with 40 days and nights of rain. What do you call that? A heavenly "do-over". And I watch alot of the discovery channel - when's the last time you've seen a olive tree on the top of the highest peak?

If "heaven" is so great, why did his angels rebel? Weren't they happy in paradise?

The bible is just a story - a story written by man in many different languages and interpretations. Do you really think a story told over 2000 years ago in a language you didn't speak will be precisely recorded in its' true meaning?

Oh... I could go on but you probably were thinking doesn't this guy ever shut up 2 paragraphs ago

Rob · 12-16-2004, 06:17 PM

I don't.

jimmyf · 12-16-2004, 06:18 PM

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Originally posted by theking
Well...since you said "use 2"...you may have experienced an eppiphany and stopped. How are you doing?

doing great

how about you

I made a mistake though, it should have said

i use 2 get drunk every Jan. 6th without fail ... does that count

jimmyf · 12-16-2004, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking
Well...since you said "use 2"...you may have experienced an eppiphany and stopped. How are you doing?

and I've never had a sudden intutitive realization or perception of reality... i'm just all fucked up

jimmyf · 12-16-2004, 06:22 PM

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Originally posted by HighOnAcid
I don't.

better watch out, the devil is going 2 get you.... you bad boy

ArikaAmes · 12-16-2004, 06:27 PM

It's Faith. I think that if you grew up in private schools, the whole religion thing would be more clear. I am catholic and have grown up in catholic schools. Not saying it is right in the least bit....but I am saying that bringing up has a lot to do with it. You are conditioned to "away". There can always be changes with that though.

theking · 12-16-2004, 06:28 PM

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Originally posted by jimmyf
and I've never had a sudden intutitive realization or perception of reality... i'm just all fucked up

I think I am still waiting in line also. Although I may have had an eppiphany the first time I got laid.

BTW...I am doing OK too.

jimmyf · 12-16-2004, 06:44 PM

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Originally posted by theking
I think I am still waiting in line also. Although I may have had an eppiphany the first time I got laid.

BTW...I am doing OK too.

well I guess I might consider my 1st orgy coming close 2 a epiphany or the 1st time I was with three women at once

qw12er · 12-16-2004, 06:52 PM

TheKing - Who do you think need the other one the most ?

A powerful king who, for no reason, created imperfect beings so he would be worshipped.

Or men who have created a god to have an higher instence to refer to when they want to influence their neighbors ?

(you can not tell your neighbors - do that because I want you to... but you can say God wants you to. )

think about it.

AdultMovies.bz · 12-16-2004, 07:11 PM

"God" is something which some people choose to believe in as it helps them to deal with daily stresses, it also provides for someone to blame or praise when you dont want to deal with your own actions and consequences... just my thoughts...

Meloman · 12-16-2004, 07:11 PM

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Originally posted by ArikaAmes
It's Faith. I think that if you grew up in private schools, the whole religion thing would be more clear. I am catholic and have grown up in catholic schools. Not saying it is right in the least bit....but I am saying that bringing up has a lot to do with it. You are conditioned to "away". There can always be changes with that though.

Agreed. I grew up going to catholic school all the way through high school. I totally belive in the Catholic religion, Jesus and all the mumbo jumbo. It's just too much of who I am and how I grew up to just toss it all away.

BUT I DO NOT preach to other people and DO NOT empose my beliefs on others. I never have and I never will. I use religion more like a guideline on how to live my life more honestly and the whole do unto others as u want to be treated thing. Figure it's better to be safe than sorry and I'd rather live believing in Gold and having him turn out to be fake than NOT believing in him and end up in hell. No harm no foul right.

The only thing worse that over zeolous religious freaks that try to empose there religion on you is people that are the complete opposite. I hate people who automatically assume religious people are wrong and stupid for there beliefs. You're trying to empose your non belief just as badly as the religious freaks.

I think religion is ok within proportion. If it keeps you happy and helps you live your life then it hurts no one.

theking · 12-16-2004, 07:17 PM

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Originally posted by qw12er
TheKing - Who do you think need the other one the most ?

A powerful king who, for no reason, created imperfect beings so he would be worshipped.

Or men who have created a god to have an higher instence to refer to when they want to influence their neighbors ?

(you can not tell your neighbors - do that because I want you to... but you can say God wants you to. )

think about it.

As to the question...what I think is of little import...to those that have experienced an eppiphany. The whole "God" thing is based upon having a personal eppiphany/experience/relationship...etc.

Fake Nick · 12-16-2004, 07:22 PM

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Originally posted by theking
I am fully aware of this...thank you very much...but one can spend a lifetime and not have an "eppiphany" about any subject.

if you want to use "big" words try at least to SPELL them correctly , spell it once wrong , typo , spell it over and over again wrong , stupidity

its epiphany with one P

not eppiphany

qw12er · 12-16-2004, 07:22 PM

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Originally posted by theking
As to the question...what I think is of little import...to those that have experienced an eppiphany. The whole "God" thing is based upon having a personal eppiphany/experience/relationship...etc.

yup the problem is that republican used religion to get reelected, Moslem use religion to create suicide bombers ... I see religion creating more trouble than it solves.

Religion is an handle on your behavior ...

theking · 12-16-2004, 07:37 PM

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Originally posted by Fake Nick
if you want to use "big" words try at least to SPELL them correctly , spell it once wrong , typo , spell it over and over again wrong , stupidity

its epiphany with one P not eppiphany

Ahh...I see...you checked the dictionary...and I was not aware that it is a "big" word...thank you very much...for the info.

Fake Nick · 12-16-2004, 07:40 PM

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Originally posted by theking
Ahh...I see...you checked the dictionary...and I was not aware that it is a "big" word...thank you very much...for the info.

not really every fool knows that epiphany is with one P

only an idiot uses words he doesn't fully understand

edit : you prolly did cause it took you so long to come up with that reply

theking · 12-16-2004, 07:40 PM

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Originally posted by qw12er
yup the problem is that republican used religion to get reelected, Moslem use religion to create suicide bombers ... I see religion creating more trouble than it solves.

Religion is an handle on your behavior ...

Organized religion is one thing...and belief is a different thing.

theking · 12-16-2004, 07:43 PM

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Originally posted by Fake Nick
not really every fool knows that epiphany is with one P

only an idiot uses words he doesn't fully understand

edit : you prolly did cause it took you so long to come up with that reply

I understand the word perfectly...thank you very much. FYI...I am doing other things other than reading threads and posting. Just for the hell of it though why don't you stand on your head and gargle peanut butter...or just

.

xclusive · 12-16-2004, 07:44 PM

There is something in my soul that drives me to believe but I can't give you proof and todays Bible is very different from the origional as it has been used to opress the people over the years...

Methodcash Rick · 12-16-2004, 07:47 PM

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Originally posted by qw12er
I don't mean any disrespect, but I can't just see why intelligent ppl believe in religion.

Please explain me ...

Nothing MAKES me believe in Jesus..

I am a self proclaimed agnostic, so I nether believe nor disbelieve in "god", Jesus, or and other worldly deity..

I'll know when I get there, if there is a "god" or not

JayRevenue · 12-16-2004, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by qw12er
I don't mean any disrespect, but I can't just see why intelligent ppl believe in religion.

Please explain me ...

because he believes in me!

Young · 12-16-2004, 07:54 PM

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Originally posted by ArikaAmes
It's Faith. I think that if you grew up in private schools, the whole religion thing would be more clear. I am catholic and have grown up in catholic schools. Not saying it is right in the least bit....but I am saying that bringing up has a lot to do with it. You are conditioned to "away". There can always be changes with that though.

I went Catholic all the way through life minus kindergarten. Catholic 1-8, Catholic High and spent 2 years at a Catholic College (Boston College) before transferring out of there.

Do I believe in Jesus? Yes...Jesus was a philosopher, a great one.
Do I believe in Jesus "the son of god".....no...not at all.

How can someone who was baptised and confirmed a catholic not believe in Jesus or God? Simple......My girlfriend was taking away from me. She was only 24. Fuck Religion.

Fuck Jesus

Fuck God

Quote me on this one.... "Without ignorance, there would be no faith....for faith needs ignorance to exist" - Young

That line is deeper than you think....Makes the whole Adam and Eve story alot clearer.

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buddyjuf Guest Posts: n/a	I do believe in jesus, he was a man who once walked the earth and helped people but I do not believe in religion and the religious god I think like Spinoza does, that God is a part of nature and it is the "flow" of it. as well as the mathematical standards that we live with today, that, for me, is god not some spirit that will send me to heaven or hell

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aico Moo Moo Cow Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Washington State Posts: 14,748	I believe there was a man named Jesus, but I think maybe the whole story thing got a little bit "distorted"... Ever play the game Password where you whisper a phrase and pass it on and by the time it gets back to you it's something completely different? If people can believe that shit now, with all that we know, just imagine how gullable people were back then, maybe Jesus was the worlds greatest con-artist? Anyway, even if Jesus did "come back" one day, who the fuck would believe him? Maybe he already did come back and is on meds now in some mental hospital. Also, ever notice that people who really really believe in Jesus and need him the most are those who have hit rock bottom in life (or close to it), and don't want to take responsibility for their bullshit. Jesus won't save you, save your own ass.

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Bama Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Redmond, WA Posts: 2,727	I don't believe in "religion" per se. To do so will often come with it - the little caveate of also believing in heaven and hell which also comes with the beliefs of the requirements of arriving in either of those 2 places. I don't belive if there was a "loving God", he would test us in the commonly believed manner. I also do not believe that if he did, we (as mere mortals) could give an honest answer to those tests. Think about it for a second - worship me or burn in everlasting fire and brimstone. What the heck kinda choice is THAT? I remember getting my ass whipped as a child and my father asking if I was sorry I did the transgression? Of course I said yes to him - but in my heart I was only sorry I got caught! I don't believe a "loving God" would allow the rape, murder or torture of innocent children - and if he does - I don't want ANY part of a guy like that. If a "God" wanted to be worshipped so he creates mankind and that same "God" is all knowing - you'd think he'd have seen what was coming and that he'd be destroying the everything on it with 40 days and nights of rain. What do you call that? A heavenly "do-over". And I watch alot of the discovery channel - when's the last time you've seen a olive tree on the top of the highest peak? If "heaven" is so great, why did his angels rebel? Weren't they happy in paradise? The bible is just a story - a story written by man in many different languages and interpretations. Do you really think a story told over 2000 years ago in a language you didn't speak will be precisely recorded in its' true meaning? Oh... I could go on but you probably were thinking doesn't this guy ever shut up 2 paragraphs ago Last edited by Bama; 12-16-2004 at 06:20 PM..

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ArikaAmes Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,081	It's Faith. I think that if you grew up in private schools, the whole religion thing would be more clear. I am catholic and have grown up in catholic schools. Not saying it is right in the least bit....but I am saying that bringing up has a lot to do with it. You are conditioned to "away". There can always be changes with that though.

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