I am not sure how I am to apply his answer? my original question to him was:


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Originally posted by xenophobic
So, are you saying if you knew for a fact that he was a veteran of the Gulf War, You would not be making fun of his service?

theKing:

Ah.. that's what your problem is!

It's all these "enemies of the state" that spew lies and mis-information about you and hate you so much for *whatever* reason.

That explains a lot.

Everyone is "evil" and trying to do you harm King.. fine, good starting point.

Now what makes you feel this way? Did it start in early life or was it part of your reasoning to join the military? ie Did you think you needed to defend something?

Sheesh.. you are one very sick puppy!!

Are you actively working to dis-band the Australian military. If you are I have not heard about it. By the way if the Australian military is dis-banded...which country do you want to occupy you first? Of course you are not actively doing anything other than clouding your brain with dope and trying to save enough money on the side for a new pair of boots...so you can walk through another country again.

Ever heard of the geneva convention?

Idiot.

You're going to love our new AG.

We sound just a little militant to me. What about reservists? They have to be trained by someone. Preferably someone who knows a little something about the subject at hand.

I am not talking about those who step up to defend their country from attack.

I am talking of those who choose to travel to foreign countries to commit acts of murder and repression for no other reason than because that's what they were ordered to do... by whetever greedy regime happens to be in power.

There is honor in defending your nation. There is nothing but shame in invading another.

It starts with people like you that hate my country and have on more than one occasion called for the assasination of my countries duly elected President...as you have done...and have even volunteered to be the assassin. You are called enemies.

I have no problem with the reserves... or anyone that will train to defend their country from attack.

"I cannot conceive of a more vile, detestable worthless example of human life than that of a professional soldier. "

I take it you are retracting your statement...can't have it both ways pothead.

I said someone who trains to defend their country from attack or invasion... not someone who chooses to murder and pillage on behalf of their government.

I believe the only duty of any person in the armed forces is to directly defend their nation.

What part of that don't you understand?

The more than ridiculous part which equals pig shit.

I hope you are simply trolling.

So the professional soldiers in WW 2 (and I'm not just talking about American soldiers) were 'vile, detestable, worthless example of human life?'

I think the citizens of France, Britain, Canada and many others would disagree with you. I suppose the best course of action would have been to allow Hitler and Japan to have the only armies, and to have 'taken the moral high ground' in response to their invasion of the world?

As far as this particular soldier goes, I agree that he was probably doing what he thought was needed to survive. Unfortunately, since WW 2, there is accountability for your actions in war time.

Personally, I err on the part of the individual soldier. Young kids mostly, put into an unmanageable situation they did not create. Watching their friends die, and living day to day in fear of dying themselves. As always, it's a mess. The difference between this mess and, say, WW 2, IMO, is that we should never have gone there, and shouldn't be there now.

The sad thing is, whoever ends up being 'right' on this issue, in the end it will remain a pyrhhic victory. That kid could be living a normal life. Instead, he's in a war zone for no good reason, being subjected to terror and death, and could end up in prison with his life ruined forever.

Fuck the jingoists and military haters alike. It sucks all the way around, however you slice it.

Yoho! That's a bit strong Joe! :winkwink:

Tho I certainly have not seem many examples of "professional soldiers" lately, I have known a good number.

The different is, they were not kids and had, least most of them, had a high moral fibre and a sense of honor.

The other issue is, I would wonder what these soldiers would do in the current scenario. I seriously doubt they would be involved with this utter crap the US calls it's wars. These are not real wars and based on the lunacy of an idiot and his entourage.

If there was an actual need for a war and this was justifed, they would be first in line. Sadly, that is not the case these days.

One soldier I still have contact with is a US citizen (or is no longer). The man is both honorable and trustworthy and has been involved in MIA recovery from Vietnam and done loads of other stuff for other countries. The initial criteria is - is this the right thing? If not, he stays well away.

His current attitude to the US regime (tho not just because of Bush) is that they are untrustworthy and lie. He has witnessed their lying and deception first hand.

So.... It is who the person is that makes them - not some group. I'm sure there must be some decent people in the military, tho they may still not have the principles of "military honor" that once existed.

As for King.. well, he was some non commissioned officer or whatever, - in charge of a group of "kids". Kinda similar to a kingergaten teacher. He is clearly pointless as a person, but leave him with his dreams to which he is entitled.

theKing:

You just carry on assuming this and that with nada clue...

I never noticed you ever object to the assassination or deposing of any leader of any other country when ya did that.

If you think for one moment that I am even going to get off my ass and volunteer to waste my time killing off your village idiot - you are sadly mistaken.

I prefer to watch you spew more shit and tolerate the "regime" until you get the message - which is clearly not happening just yet.

As for hate... you have no clue idiot. WTF would anyone "hate" a country for?? Are you really, really dumb???

Even your favorite enemies - you seriously think they hate the US?? If so... there is little point.

Summary... You are a RETARD at a level beyond any hope.

I was in charge of a group of well trained "soldiers"...not kids.

As a I stated, I do not have a problem with those who are prepared to defend their own shores from invasion or attack. So that obviously includes all allied participants in WW2 as all of those nations were under theat from attack or invasion.

I was talking of those who would willingly assist in the invasion of another country and murder and pillage on behalf of their government.

Those people are scum.

I agree that you are not going to get off of your "ass" to do anything of import and never have. You will continue to spew your hatred towards America on a BB...but that is of little import...as you do not have any say in the internal or external affairs of America. If I truly thought you were a threat to the President of my country...I would have acted.

get shit for what? we're at war... fuck 'em

theKing:

Of course you were.

All potato peelers claim the same thing.

Even the prison guards in Iraq and the command would claim they were "well trained soldiers".

Truth is.. the majority of them are kids and the person who sent them into any war, needs a trial and executing.

theKing:

A continuation of assumptions, bullshit and hate from ya king?

You are good at the "hate" thing you claim others have, but you display so well.

Was it you who considered just wiping people out when they got in the way?? There are plenty examples of your "honor" as a military person.

Clearly you were an under-achiever in that field as well - I can see why.

Potato peeler.

you see what happens to a country that gets attacked for no reason they do the same thing to someone else. I guess it would be best for the world if the USA did not suffer another attack. for who knows what could happen.....Canada could be next...or maybe the down under.....

:1orglaugh

No reason... I love it.

you would Joe for your true feelings come out with each post you make.

Yes, you are right... there was no reason. The USA has never done anything bad to anyone, has it?

Everyone's just jealous of the USA, aren't they?

:1orglaugh

yes the USA is evil all of us and those damed people in the towers
were really all CIA agents on a world domination mission

:thumbsup :thumbsup

Joe Citizen:

Hear ya Joe!

And agree on the first para. That was probably the last "real war" we have seen. The rest were "police actions" and greedy people having ambitions that went well beyond their egos. Some may call it "in the interests of the US".

On the "new soldiers"... hell, I'm sure they all have varied reasoning. Some do it because they are willing to be placed in a scenario of trust with the leader of their country. Some are literally kids who think this is right and just.

The sad part about the latter is, they are not "tooled up" with any personal experience or judgement to do anything other than kill. There is the current scenario in Iraq where they "should" have been creating some rapport with the population. This did not happen much with US troops, but did with some other rare coalition forces. The barriers kids were expected to break down there were massive and they had no hope in hell.

The US Admin/Pentagon still assume a load of fighters and gunships mean they "win" something - the more intelligent among em know otherwise.

It would appear that the pro and anti US troops in Iraq are split roughly 50/50 on the war - same as the US population.

I'd find it hard to "condemn" a soldier for doing what he/she thought was the right thing - tho not talking about real violations of people or war crimes.

Bottom line... sure looks like many were decieved and under their military obligations/contract, had little choice. This brings the issue down to trusting a corrupt and deceitful regime. There is no defense or excuse for sending any nation to war based on myths. It is also a solid reason why that leader should not be permitted to be trusted further.

On the flip side of the coin.. sure, there are idiots in every group, including soldiers and they are no different to anyone else when it comes to dishing out penalties for crimes.


PS... One memorable statement.. which was given by the Whitehouse educator, Rice, before she was awarded some cred within the US govt - "US troops are trained to kill, and that's what they should be doing". Enough said - and that quote stands alone and is not out of context in any way.

jukeboxfrank:

Clearly there remains no acknowlegement of *anything* the US has done wrong to others.

It is very logical that a nation or group of people wake up one day and take a pin and stick it on a map and decare, "Let's attack this country today."

I am not going to bother explaining the many possible reasons why some people may feel it is time to hit back. If you care to educate yourself, you will see why.

Tho, I am not saying that is, in any way, a justifiable action to attack anyone and kill off innocent people.

On the flip side, you have nada cred in any comment, since your country has killed off far more, - based on nothing.

Of course the US will be attacked again. The current assistance in freeing the people of Iraq and establishing "democracy" will ensure that.

Ever heard of mind your own fucking biz and clean your backyard up first??

no not really I never heard that. death is wrong under any set of actions as I see it. The people in the tower the people in Iraq
people are people. It only bothers me that some feel The US was a good hit and Iraq was a bad one. I feel sorry for both but if you get in my face and call me evil what do you expect?

War is war. But you have a jackass Texan running things rather than a war vet. And don't break rules that don't apply to you like the uh....Geneva Convention? Out the fucking window - it's a wreckless high level business takeover that is putting peoples childrens in harms way.

Did you see that marine dude who took a bullet in the head and survived? Looks like a bigass bruise. Fifty Cent ain't got shit on that guy!

jukeboxfrank:

Oh hell :-) OK... I'll make an effort!

First.. yes, it is wrong that anyone did the 9/11 stuff - no doubt.

Second, Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11. Why do the people of Iraq have to tolerate a war being waged on them and now an occupation, based on two alleged reasons, both of which have nada foundation or justification?

The US was "hit"... who knows what the reasoning was in the minds of some who were involved in that attack.... but the track record of the US in particular, in that region of the world is a disgrace and involved everything from assassinations of democractically elected govt ministers to lesser actions.

When you consider the US engaged Saddam Hussein to kill off, eg... the Finance Minister of what was then a democratic Iran, knowing Saddam was a thug. That alone does not speak highly of the US as any "moral leader".

The US then proceeded to supply Saddam with arms to instigate a war against Iran. The reasoning was, the US were not happy with the democratically elected govt who were not totally willing to supply oil, - or at least the level the US wanted.

The same back stabbing happened in other counties in that region.

It is hard to know the "reasoning" of idiots who kill others, but, rest assured - they did not just wake up one day and stick that pin on the map and decide to attack.

There is equally no reasoning for the US Admin to elect to conduct a war in Iraq - they too, are totally mindless idiots who will ensure another 9/11.

Also... there is no way anyone can claim the invasion of Iraq was justified because of 9/11. Apart from no connection to any 9/11 activity - the US just decided to invade and kill off many more innocent people than were ever killed on 9/11.

Does this Iraq war have any sense or credibilty? If so, where? :-)

Iran allows Women to vote, work alongside men and run for government positions, which is more than our "allies" Saudi Arabia does. I can see why people in the Middle-East think we're two faced because of what regime we support, and which we label "evil"

As far as the people who have to fright it or the people that have to die. No war is ever really justified. The us took on Iraq because
we are a fools slave to Israel and to have a base to operate from in that part of the world. I wish we were not over there or anywhere Else for that matter. But I cant blame the people involved on the ground I am sure they too would like to go home.

xenophobic:

True!

The irony is that Iran "was" a free country with demoncratically elected people before the US fucked up and enabled the mullahs to take power.

Iraq was the same before the US aided Saddam into power. The place actually had a nightlife! :-) Tho not as much freedom as Iran.

Sheesh.. when you look back, you have to say.. What a fuck up!:-)

jukeboxfrank:

Agree! Both sides need to fuck off back to wherever they came from and leave the Iraq people to decide what their destiny will be.

Tho, that is awkward with the current screw up. I doubt Iraqi's will be interested in a contrived election and there will be years of problems there yet.

Dunno.. but I doubt some will get any lesson from this...

i feel more sorry for the innocent and arrogent americans than for the iraqis because the americans are going to get all of this back 10 fold

he wasnt even wounded, he was playing opossum.

snap out of it kids.