GoFuckYourself.com - Adult Webmaster Forum

GoFuckYourself.com - Adult Webmaster Forum (https://gfy.com/index.php)
-   Fucking Around & Business Discussion (https://gfy.com/forumdisplay.php?f=26)
-   -   U.S. soldier shoots wounded militant (https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=389038)

trouserrat 11-15-2004 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Peacemaker
*lol* you are too funny.. good day :)
Thank you. Now hurry, you might be able to catch Old Europe's fall into complete obsolescence. It's not far off.

Webby 11-15-2004 05:54 PM

maxxxxx:

Quote:

Ahh...but Saddam was a sworn enemy of Americans and of Americas's ally...
Yea maxxxxx... you hit that nail on the head with the question..

"How dumb can you people be?"

The answer is EXTREMELY DUMB.



PS.. I wonder who did all the "swearing" to be some enemy? Was that some US idiot you are referring to King or am I to imagine Saddam did some "oaths" and "swearing" to be an enemy of the US.

Hell.. ya got enemies crawling up the walls and under your bed there...

Must be a leftover of communism or something, sure is a disease.

maxxxxx 11-15-2004 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking
Ahh...but Saddam was a sworn enemy of Americans and of Americas's ally...his military forces fired almost daily upon American and British forces...he openly supported several terrorist orgs allied against America's ally...he openly called for the killing of Americans where ever they were to be found...thus the Administration...with the support of Congress and the American people decided to take him and his Baathist Party down.
Sorry, I don't get it. Are you just ironic here or do you believe what you say? Where do you get your info from? Foxnews? :1orglaugh

Peacemaker 11-15-2004 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Webby

"How dumb can you people be?"
[/B]
College Park, MD: Even after the final report of Charles Duelfer to Congress saying that Iraq did not have a significant WMD program, 72% of Bush supporters continue to believe that Iraq had actual WMD (47%) or a major program for developing them (25%). Fifty-six percent assume that most experts believe Iraq had actual WMD and 57% also assume, incorrectly, that Duelfer concluded Iraq had at least a major WMD program

:Graucho

theking 11-15-2004 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by maxxxxx
Sorry, I don't get it. Are you just ironic here or do you believe what you say? Where do you get your info from? Foxnews? :1orglaugh
Stating fact kid.

Webby 11-15-2004 05:59 PM

Martin:

Quote:

Take it easy there Webber. I'm on your side. I don't like the war one bit.. I just feel like throwing gas on the fire tonight.
:thumbsup

At least it might actually make some folks think.

They often have a hard time doing that and knowing there is more to this world that just them :glugglug

Webby 11-15-2004 06:05 PM

Peacemaker:

Quote:

College Park, MD: Even after the final report of Charles Duelfer to Congress saying that Iraq did not have a significant WMD program, 72% of Bush supporters continue to believe that Iraq had actual WMD (47%) or a major program for developing them (25%). Fifty-six percent assume that most experts believe Iraq had actual WMD and 57% also assume, incorrectly, that Duelfer concluded Iraq had at least a major WMD program
Frightening thought.... and sad.

I suspect people believe what they want to believe and that this is often "fogged up" in the US by some party political crap and whether you support some party or not.

Looks like there is nada balance on any reality and a great ease with the use of labels for almost any subject, conservative, insurgent, coalition, liberal, terrorist blah. Shit for simple minds and makes it easy to create an "us" and "them" :-)

Hence.. loads of "sworn enemies" :-)

Sambo 11-15-2004 06:08 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by theking
His assumption is not anymore of a leap than your assumptions. It is you that does not have a clue. You are a sworn enemy of my country...and I would happily turn your face into a oozing mass of goo...scum. [/QUOTE

Its not an assumption...... I just watched the video

Its what happened

The guy laughed when he had done it...... and cracked a joke

Sickening

Peacemaker 11-15-2004 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Webby
Peacemaker:



Frightening thought.... and sad.

I suspect people believe what they want to believe and that this is often "fogged up" in the US by some party political crap and whether you support some party or not.

Looks like there is nada balance on any reality and a great ease with the use of labels for almost any subject, conservative, insurgent, coalition blah. Shit for simple minds :-)

no comment. the report says it all :)

http://www.yubanet.com/artman/publis...le_14657.shtml

if you want to read more about it

Webby 11-15-2004 06:17 PM

Peacemaker:

Sheesh...

Even if you allow a 20% margin of error, - it's damning! :-)

Hell.. with that level of non-awareness, why bother even chatting with em??

They are past any sane level of reasonable judgement until proven otherwise :winkwink:

I can see why God needs to bless the US a little more than others...

strats 11-15-2004 06:21 PM

This is perferctly justified.

If he wanted to live, he should have stood aside with his hands up until he was captured.

He could have been holding a gun under there, or worse (but in actuality, none) a bomb with a trigger in his hand.

The soldiers action was correct given the situation.

summary:
http://pvpowa.com/ha.jpg

maxxxxx 11-15-2004 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Webby
Peacemaker:

Sheesh...

Even if you allow a 20% margin of error, - it's damning! :-)

Hell.. with that level of non-awareness, why bother even chatting with em??

They are past any sane level of reasonable judgement until proven otherwise :winkwink:

I can see why God needs to bless the US a little more than others...

:flagface :1orglaugh

Peacemaker 11-15-2004 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by strats
This is perferctly justified.

If he wanted to live, he should have stood aside with his hands up until he was captured.

He could have been holding a gun under there, or worse (but in actuality, none) a bomb with a trigger in his hand.

The soldiers action was correct given the situation.

summary:

or maybe a little nuke in his pocket.. who knows ;)

evildick 11-15-2004 06:23 PM

For anyone looking for the video it is on CBSnews.com in the video section under the title "Mosque Tragedy", although they censor the actually shooting.

Peacemaker 11-15-2004 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Webby
Peacemaker:

Sheesh...

Even if you allow a 20% margin of error, - it's damning! :-)

Hell.. with that level of non-awareness, why bother even chatting with em??

They are past any sane level of reasonable judgement until proven otherwise :winkwink:

I can see why God needs to bless the US a little more than others...

i agree with you :) but .. you can try.. maybe there is hope :)

Rochard 11-15-2004 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Joe Citizen
Imagine what the reaction of the blind pro-war patriots would be if it was a US marine being executed by a gunshot to the back of the head by an 'insurgent'?

They'd be screeching like little girls.

Now watch them say how it's justified and a good thing.

But it's perfectly acceptable for them to kidnap someone who's not even in the military and chop off their head?

While I agree that this is wrong, I can only have so much pitty on these guys.

Marcus Aurelius 11-15-2004 06:33 PM

what pisses me off about this whole situation is, this is war. thats why they call it war. I kill you before you kill me. what did people think we were firing out of those guns? candy?

People on CNN talking about it as scandalous and outrageous. Fucking morons. It's war, shit happens, so a camera happened to be there, now the jesus freaks are all up in arms because the moron they voted for would allow soldiers to, oh, god forbid..KILL PEOPLE!


[/rant]

Martin 11-15-2004 06:34 PM

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_vi...LC=eveningnews

woj 11-15-2004 06:34 PM

100 wounded militants...

Centurion 11-15-2004 06:44 PM

The operative word here is "prisoner"!
You do NOT execute prisoners.
It IS that simple.

OzMan 11-15-2004 06:46 PM

Direct link to the video

Webby 11-15-2004 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Joe Citizen
Imagine what the reaction of the blind pro-war patriots would be if it was a US marine being executed by a gunshot to the back of the head by an 'insurgent'?

They'd be screeching like little girls.

Now watch them say how it's justified and a good thing.
That dumb mob opinion is alive and kicking when "citizens" are taught how to behave. They are so dumbed down, they know nothing, but love to have an opinion and some vengance.

Truth is they know very little about Iraq - I'd reckon just as much as any US soldier there - and that's damned little.

Makes you wonder where all this "us", "them" and "enemies" come from in a country that purports to have high moral values. Or least, that is the skin-deep basis on which the current Admin claims it was elected :-)

theking 11-15-2004 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Centurion
The operative word here is "prisoner"!
You do NOT execute prisoners.
It IS that simple.

He was not taken prisoner. FYI every war...on all sides...even those that are taken prisioner are frequently killed. More often that not they are killed without taking them prisoner. Usually prisoners are not ever taken by small units (unless ordered to do so) and more often than not soldiers do not prefer to take prisoners as they develop a hatred for the enemy...and/or do not trust the enemy as prisoners.

War is not like war movies.

Tipsy 11-15-2004 06:53 PM

Interesting (but not really surprising) the way the report tries to justify his actions at the end.

beergood 11-15-2004 06:53 PM

All you stupid mother fuckers talking about how stupid this guy acted and how he "simply" should've done this or that. These guys are in a war and you want them to take the time to possibly get suicide bombed or gather all the information they can from other squads about a room they're in at the moment. He's doing his job fucksticks and its not easy.

Mr Pheer 11-15-2004 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by beergood
All you stupid mother fuckers talking about how stupid this guy acted and how he "simply" should've done this or that. These guys are in a war and you want them to take the time to possibly get suicide bombed or gather all the information they can from other squads about a room they're in at the moment. He's doing his job fucksticks and its not easy.
Man remember, this is GFY and its about 95% idiots. But they think they have all the perfect answers for every situation.

People watch a war movie and suddenly they know everything.

Webby 11-15-2004 07:01 PM

theKing:

Quote:

He was not taken prisoner. FYI every war...on all sides...even those that are taken prisioner are frequently killed.
It is very clear you are EXTREMELY DUMB King.

What exactly, under military code, is a person who is lying wounded and surrounded by opposing forces??

Do we call him some new word, like "enemy combatant" and label him with that to excuse him being a prisioner under the terms of the Geneva Convention and permitting him to be murdered??

Sheesh.. you are really VERY VERY STUPID for a human being.

I'd hate to have you try to defend me in any court on this planet for murder. Both the judge and jury would rolling on the floor laughing.

Truth is King... you know nada about war or killing of prisoners - or have one clue about any military code, - so shut the fuck up and don't be so silly.

strats 11-15-2004 07:03 PM

Remember the 2,000 people who were not fed for 3 days while traveling in the hot desert locked in us vehicles only to be killed by their own coerced people under us command?

Its fucked up. How would you like to be living there, minding your own business then some people come in and start killing your friends/family, and bombing your homes?

xenophobic 11-15-2004 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Webby
theKing:
Do we call him some new word, like "enemy combatant" and label him with that to excuse him being a prisioner under the terms of the Geneva Convention and permitting him to be murdered??

Does he not have to be part of a recognized army in order to be protected under the "Prisoner of War" Geneva Convention section?

theking 11-15-2004 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrPheer
Man remember, this is GFY and its about 95% idiots. But they think they have all the perfect answers for every situation.

People watch a war movie and suddenly they know everything.

Correction 98% and Webby from the fantasy world of Webbyland is one of the biggest idiots.

Joe Citizen 11-15-2004 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Webby
theKing:



It is very clear you are EXTREMELY DUMB King.

What exactly, under military code, is a person who is lying wounded and surrounded by opposing forces??

Do we call him some new word, like "enemy combatant" and label him with that to excuse him being a prisioner under the terms of the Geneva Convention and permitting him to be murdered??

Sheesh.. you are really VERY VERY STUPID for a human being.

I'd hate to have you try to defend me in any court on this planet for murder. Both the judge and jury would rolling on the floor laughing.

Truth is King... you know nada about war or killing of prisoners - or have one clue about any military code, - so shut the fuck up and don't be so silly.

Sgt. Speedbump would be rationalising genocide if it was being carried out by U.S. troops.

Basically, whatever he deems to be in the best interests of the USA is morally right... and if that includes killing civilians then so be it.

Webby 11-15-2004 07:07 PM

theKing:

Quote:

He was not taken prisoner.
I'm waiting for some bullshit about "reading him his rights" and being "formally declared a prisioner of war".

Sheesh.. Wonder if they brought the forms in triple along to allow us make em sign and declare them prisoners according to the Pentagon??

What a fucking silly, but sad joke...

Giorgio_Xo 11-15-2004 07:08 PM

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com...shot_ny116.jpg

Webby 11-15-2004 07:20 PM

xenophobic:

Quote:

Does he not have to be part of a recognized army in order to be protected under the "Prisoner of War" Geneva Convention section?
That brings us back to the issue - what the fuck is the US doing in Iraq??

What was the reason for invading and occupying Iraq?

The most probable likelyhood, (tho who knows?) is that the victim was not any "terrorist", but an Iraqi national who has full rights to be there.

It is the US who should not be in that country - they don't deserve any consideration by the Iraqi people.

If US troops kill Iraqi's - they also need to be shot at until they piss off back to Texas or wherever.

The chances of him being a "terrorist" vary, but around 10%-20%.

It has been stated already, tho, may be getting a rapidly changing story at this moment, - that this group of US troops had no clue who were fighters and who were not. Is that a reason to shoot a person in the head, especially someone injured???

Life is simple... ya shoot someone in the head for nada reason, it is a war crime and warrants death.

The Iraqi people will handle this if accurate.

theking 11-15-2004 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Webby
theKing:
What exactly, under military code, is a person who is lying wounded and surrounded by opposing forces??

A "wounded" person (who could and should still be considered dangerous)..."surrounded by opposing forces". He had not at that point become a POW.

Quote:

Do we call him some new word, like "enemy combatant" and label him with that to excuse him being a prisioner under the terms of the Geneva Convention and permitting him to be murdered??
In all wars since the Geneva Convention...all combatants violate the Geneva Convention. War is a dirty affair and is not prone to being governed by the writings on a piece of paper but is prone to the base emotions of human nature. It is not a fucking movie...it is real...with real emotions.

Quote:

I'd hate to have you try to defend me in any court on this planet for murder. Both the judge and jury would rolling on the floor laughing.
I would never be your defender...but would happily serve as your executioner. You are an admitted enemy of my country...thus my enemy.


Quote:

Truth is King... you know nada about war or killing of prisoners - or have one clue about any military code, - so shut the fuck up and don't be so silly.
I wore the uniform for 12 years and engaged in three different combat operations...in three different AO's...what is your claim to having any knowledge about the military?

Rich 11-15-2004 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Joe Citizen
Sgt. Speedbump would be rationalising genocide if it was being carried out by U.S. troops.
Sad but true.

sickkittens 11-15-2004 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrPheer
Its war people.

If the guy wasnt surrendering, hes still a target. You dont leave enemy soldiers alive so they can shoot you in the back.

But you can/should take him prisoner, no?

Webby 11-15-2004 07:25 PM

Joe Citizen:

Quote:

Basically, whatever he deems to be in the best interests of the USA is morally right... and if that includes killing civilians then so be it.
Mmm.. sure looks that way! :-)

It's like having a conversation with a corpse - the response is predictable.

theking 11-15-2004 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Joe Citizen

Basically, whatever he deems to be in the best interests of the USA is morally right... and if that includes killing civilians then so be it.

"Basically, whatever he deems to be in the best interests of the USA is morally right...". Never have I made such a statement. In addition it is civilians that our forces are engaged with...not a military force.

xenophobic 11-15-2004 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Webby
xenophobic:
That brings us back to the issue - what the fuck is the US doing in Iraq??
What was the reason for invading and occupying Iraq?

Well to rehash this:
The United States believed:
Iraq possessed chemical/biological weapons and was a threat to national security.
Saddam Hussein would assist terrorists in their acquisition of said weapons.

"Intelligence" implied all of the above, but the intelligence was incorrect.

However, these facts were found out after Iraq was stripped of it's :
President, Military, Police and utilities
and so no one can take back the above mentioned mistake.


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 08:49 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
©2000-, AI Media Network Inc123