USA destroying hospitals in Falluja so the world media can't show dead civilians.

[Rich]

They took that big hospital the first day the battle started, and now:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3996111.stm

A medical dispensary in the city centre was bombed earlier.

I don't know what has happened to the doctors and patients who were there.

It was last place you could get medical attention because the big hospital on the outskirts of Falluja was captured by the Americans on Monday.

Keep up the good work Rumsfeld.

[TechNtentions]

not a suprise

[Rich]

It's funny on Monday, I watched the story about the hospital on CNN, and then immediately after on the BBC.

BBC = forces took over the city's only remaining hospital.

CNN = terrorists were hiding out in the hospital (no proof or explanation).

[BigWebRev]

IS GREAT

[xenophobic]

Originally posted by Rich
It's funny on Monday, I watched the story about the hospital on CNN, and then immediately after on the BBC.

BBC = forces took over the city's only remaining hospital.

CNN = terrorists were hiding out in the hospital (no proof or explanation).

Yes, so you automatically went with the negative one. nice job.

[Veterans Day]

Originally posted by xenophobic
Yes, so you automatically went with the negative one. nice job.

ofcourse

[kmanrox]

killemall!

[sixxxthsense]

u dont know shit about war until u've been in one! there is lots of dark secrets LOTSSSS!!

[baddog]

Rich = Idiot . . . pretty simple

[Rich]

Originally posted by xenophobic
Yes, so you automatically went with the negative one. nice job.

No, I understood what they were doing as soon as I watched the propaganda piece on CNN.

[Rich]

Baddog, you've proved yourself as having one of the lowest IQ's on this board over and over again. You calling me an idiot is a compliment. Go back to promoting the next merchant scam.

[xenophobic]

Originally posted by Rich
No, I understood what they were doing as soon as I watched the propaganda piece on CNN.

So you can actually PROVE there were no Terrorists, or Insurgents in the Hospital, thus the American military took the Hospital in order to stop civilians gaining Medical Aid?
Please put up, or shut up. k thnx.

[Rich]

Originally posted by xenophobic
So you can actually PROVE there were no Terrorists, or Insurgents in the Hospital, thus the American military took the Hospital in order to stop civilians gaining Medical Aid?
Please put up, or shut up. k thnx.

lol, how old are you? You're not supposed to blow up hospitals moron, when you do it's not up to the media or civilians to prove there weren't any "terrorists" there. You fucking American kids have absolutely zero understanding of reality outside your little TV bubble, please turn it the fuck off already.

[xenophobic]

Originally posted by Rich
lol, how old are you? You're not supposed to blow up hospitals moron, when you do it's not up to the media or civilians to prove there weren't any "terrorists" there. You fucking American kids have absolutely zero understanding of reality outside your little TV bubble, please turn it the fuck off already.

A: I am not an American.
B: Hospitals lose their protection under the Geneva convention if they are being used by the enemy or Insurgents as a shield.
C: I did not start a topic making accusations that Americans were bombing Hospitals in order to hide Civilian deaths. Nice way to avoid the question, however.

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by xenophobic
So you can actually PROVE there were no Terrorists, or Insurgents in the Hospital, thus the American military took the Hospital in order to stop civilians gaining Medical Aid?
Please put up, or shut up. k thnx.

This " prove that I am not there " thing is really contagious....

Remember: Proove that you have no WMD! You can't? So it means you have them...

This is plain stupid.

It is to the US to prove without doubt that those facilities were used for resistance purpose ...

Otherwise, you will go to jail because I ask you to prove that you didn't kill Lacey Petterson....

[Rich]

They're not doing it so people won't get medical aid, that's just a side effect. They did it because last time, a ton of horrible images made it back from the hospital.

This is what they don't show you idiots on CNN.






(your guys BTW)

[joshuawk]

I don't think the insurgents, or anyone in IRAQ is doing ANYTHING wrong.

You fucking imbeciles still connotate the insurgents with terrorists.
They are just taking a stand and not letting the US take their country easily.

How would you like a bunch of IRAQIS running around shooting in your neighborhood? You'd become an "insurgent" if they shot a gun by your kid I'm sure.

Even the term "insurgent " was probably chosen after a propogdanda meeting on mass controlling you fucking dimwits.

[webair]

crazy times we live in

[Rich]

Originally posted by xenophobic
A: I am not an American.
B: Hospitals lose their protection under the Geneva convention if they are being used by the enemy or Insurgents as a shield.
C: I did not start a topic making accusations that Americans were bombing Hospitals in order to hide Civilian deaths. Nice way to avoid the question, however.

You may want to change your location from Dallas then. Wherever you're from, it doesn't make you any less brainwashed by the US media, it's not hard for people outside the bubble to point you guys out. CNN says there were terrorists, so I guess this is good enough? End of story I guess.

Oh and keep asking me to prove a negative and you'll keep looking smarter and smarter.

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by joshuawk
I don't think the insurgents, or anyone in IRAQ is doing ANYTHING wrong.

You fucking imbeciles still connotate the insurgents with terrorists.
They are just taking a stand and not letting the US take their country easily.

How would you like a bunch of IRAQIS running around shooting in your neighborhood? You'd become an "insurgent" if they shot a gun by your kid I'm sure.

Even the term "insurgent " was probably chosen after a propogdanda meeting on mass controlling you fucking dimwits.

resistance or patriot is the proper term.

[xenophobic]

Originally posted by Rich
You may want to change your location from Dallas then. Wherever you're from, it doesn't make you any less brainwashed by the US media, it's not hard for people outside the bubble to point you guys out. CNN says there were terrorists, so I guess this is good enough? End of story I guess.

Oh and keep asking me to prove a negative and you'll keep looking smarter and smarter.

Pretty funny that you tell me to change MY location, You have not set one yourself, why is that?
I am currently residing in Dallas, Texas. That doesn't mean I am an American, Yes because I happen to live in the United States I must be brainwashed by CNN? You were the first person to mention watching CNN.
So not living in the United States somehow makes you able to assume that all American Media = Bullshit, all Non-American Media = Correct. Very astute assumption, no doubt confirmed by hard facts.

[Agent White]

While I am definately not a supporter of the war in Iraq, the strategy behind this is an obvious one.


"Insurgents" in the past have waited until their wounded have filled up the hospitals, and then have used the hospitals as strongholds, forcing US forces to violate Geneva conventions in order to secure them.

It's the same thing they've done with schools, mosques in the past.

Any civilians in Falluja would be best advised to take a vacation as the people the US are fighting will definately use them as human shields. They force the US into attacking civilian targets for the benefit of Al Jazheera and to help promote their agenda.

The US is just trying to mitigate that strategy.

I mean, come on, these guys have orders from Generals that definately want to look good in the media. The ground troops aren't a bunch of drunken frat boys with flying AH-64 Apaches.

In this case, it's just smart warfare.

[Rich]

Originally posted by xenophobic
Pretty funny that you tell me to change MY location, You have not set one yourself, why is that?
I am currently residing in Dallas, Texas. That doesn't mean I am an American, Yes because I happen to live in the United States I must be brainwashed by CNN? You were the first person to mention watching CNN.
So not living in the United States somehow makes you able to assume that all American Media = Bullshit, all Non-American Media = Correct. Very astute assumption, no doubt confirmed by hard facts.

I'm in Canada, said it many times. I don't think you're brainwashed just because you're in the USA, I know you're brainwashed because of your comments. It's has nothing to do with the US media being wrong and all other media being right all the time, who said that? America has a lot of great magazines and newspapers that I read regularly.

US television news isn't real news pal, surprise. It's government propaganda, pure and simple, you're being trained to get a vicarious thrill out of war and not question the official story of anything. I realize that you'll think I'm stupid for saying this because it's taken so seriously on American TV, but I'm right. Their idea of reporting all sides of the issue is having two partisan hacks spit out talking points. Their idea of reporting war is reading pentagon press briefings, and showing Americans shooting (but never getting shot at). It's not news, it's propaganda, open a dictionary.

Obviously I've never said anything remotely close to "all non-American Media = correct", no news source is correct all the time, let alone every one in the world. There are however a lot of news agencies outside the US that do still report real news, you're right about that. The trick is to find all the information you can and then make your own decisions about things, not look around for one person spinning it in a way that sounds good to you, and then agreeing with everything he says.

[Rich]

Originally posted by Agent White
Any civilians in Falluja would be best advised to take a vacation as the people the US are fighting will definately use them as human shields.

lmao, come on 70 year old Iraqi lady who's husband was just hit with a rocket and doesn't have a penny in the world... pack your bags and head for Disney Land.

[nofx]

the blood of militarism is the death of a nation

[xenophobic]

Originally posted by Rich

So let us both assume you are correct about the United States media bias, what would it require for you, Rich to determine if a Hospital was indeed held by Insurgents/Terrorists as a shield?

I have said over several threads, the willful targetting of civilians is not a thing I would support, however the military have dropped numerous leaflets telling the citizens of Fallujah to leave (which as you correctly point out, is not feasible for most citizens) then the PM placed a Curfew (6pm) in order to allow the military to tell the difference between the enemy and the civilian population, if a civilian is out on the streets after that Curfew, the military will assume they are a threat. I am not sure what more they could do?

[Rich]

Originally posted by Rich

"Sorry little footless girl, no doctor today, we need good shots only for the next couple months so we can start a new war with the population cheering us on again. Now go bleed to death in the streets like a good liberated girl, stay away from the cameras".

[Rich]

Originally posted by xenophobic
So let us both assume you are correct about the United States media bias, what would it require for you, Rich to determine if a Hospital was indeed held by Insurgents/Terrorists as a shield?

I have said over several threads, the willful targetting of civilians is not a thing I would support, however the military have dropped numerous leaflets telling the citizens of Fallujah to leave (which as you correctly point out, is not feasible for most citizens) then the PM placed a Curfew (6pm) in order to allow the military to tell the difference between the enemy and the civilian population, if a civilian is out on the streets after that Curfew, the military will assume they are a threat. I am not sure what more they could do?

How about one photograph of someone shooting at Americans out of the hospital? Staying out of the streets doesn't help much when a fucking rocket lands on your house. Those thousands of little green balls they show on CNN flying indiscriminately towards the city aren't glow in the dark golf balls.

[directfiesta]

If this was my daughter, I would try to kill ANY american even if my only weapon was a paper clip

[reynold]

Originally posted by Rich
They took that big hospital the first day the battle started, and now:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3996111.stm



Keep up the good work Rumsfeld.

aren't hospitals should be a neutral ground for both prties?

[woodman]

Rich, did you have an Uncle named Sam that used to fuck you in the ass when you were little?

[xenophobic]

Originally posted by Rich
How about one photograph of someone shooting at Americans out of the hospital? Staying out of the streets doesn't help much when a fucking rocket lands on your house. Those thousands of little green balls they show on CNN flying indiscriminately towards the city aren't glow in the dark golf balls.

Sorry to say Rich, but from the way you demonized the U.S here, I would say you would tell us that it was a U.S soldier in a balaclava carrying an AK-47, in order to make all of us CNN watching American Yahoo's believe the Hospital was in the Terrorists hands.
The same way when Nick Berg was executed people were posting here that it was a CIA plot, Americans in Insurgent garbs cutting off his head in order to gain support for the United States, because after all Insurgents and Terrorists never cut off anyone's head before that right?

I here your points in regards to missiles/rockets/etc. entering the city however, but how else do you think this will play out? I don't think there was a bloodless solution to Fallujah?

[Alex From San Diego]

Originally posted by Rich
It's funny on Monday, I watched the story about the hospital on CNN, and then immediately after on the BBC.

BBC = forces took over the city's only remaining hospital.

CNN = terrorists were hiding out in the hospital (no proof or explanation).

Were you there?

You have no fucking idea what is going on.

Let me ask you a question. Have you any clue what a combat zone is like especially an urban combat zone?

I doubt it. Let me tell you first hand, it sucks big time. Not a fucking picnic. Your adrenaline is at max levels and you are scared shitless.

Very easy for guys like you to arm chair quarterback and critisize what is going on. I'd give you about 30 seconds in an environment like that before you soiled you issued OD boxers.

[Rich]

Originally posted by woodman
Rich, did you have an Uncle named Sam that used to fuck you in the ass when you were little?

No, I have one now that's fucking the whole world in the ass, especially his own kids. They're taking it up the ass daily and most of them are blind to it, stupid kids.

[Rich]

Originally posted by reynold
aren't hospitals should be a neutral ground for both prties?

Only if you're reading that silly Geneva convention.

[baddog]

Originally posted by woodman
Rich, did you have an Uncle named Sam that used to fuck you in the ass when you were little?

You may have hit the nail on the head

[xenophobic]

Originally posted by Rich
Only if you're reading that silly Geneva convention.

Not if it is being used as a shield by Insurgents/Enemy forces.
Furthermore, hospitals and ambulances lose their special protection when using hospitals as an observation post, as a shelter for able bodied combatants, or as a storeroom for arms or ammunition (except ammunition of the wounded until they are transferred), and when using ambulances to fire upon the enemy.
http://www.tpub.com/content/medical/.../14274_219.htm

[Rich]

Originally posted by Alex From San Diego
Were you there?

You have no fucking idea what is going on.

Let me ask you a question. Have you any clue what a combat zone is like especially an urban combat zone?

I doubt it. Let me tell you first hand, it sucks big time. Not a fucking picnic. Your adrenaline is at max levels and you are scared shitless.

Very easy for guys like you to arm chair quarterback and critisize what is going on. I'd give you about 30 seconds in an environment like that before you soiled you issued OD boxers.

That has nothing to do with taking out the hospitals and you know it. I realize you support the American troops no matter what and I respect that, believe me I don't want to see them lose either. I also respect your military service (not to sound like Bush lol). I can assure you if Canada were under attack, I would be on the front line.

When you're going in to a city of hundreds of thousands and you know you're going to cause thousands of civilian casualties, you don't shut down the only two hospitals unless they're actively fighting you from there. Even the CNN report didn't claim anything of the sort.

[Alex From San Diego]

Rich you don't know shit about the Geneva Convention and the the Rules of War as well as the rules of engagement.

Keep spewing your bullshit.

Fucking tool.

[Alex From San Diego]

Originally posted by Rich
That has nothing to do with taking out the hospitals and you know it. I realize you support the American troops no matter what and I respect that, believe me I don't want to see them lose either. I also respect your military service (not to sound like Bush lol). I can assure you if Canada were under attack, I would be on the front line.

When you're going in to a city of hundreds of thousands and you know you're going to cause thousands of civilian casualties, you don't shut down the only two hospitals unless they're actively fighting you from there. Even the CNN report didn't claim anything of the sort.

Like I said, how do you know...were you there?

[Rich]

I'd be willing to wager I've studied and understand the Geneva convention a hell of a lot more than you do, I don't care if you've fought in a war. Was I there? No. Were you? Show the fucking insurgents fighting out of the hospital, once again a negative can't be proven.

[Rich]

If you're such a big fucking supporter of the military, I can't understand why you don't want someone competent running it. You want US soldiers to continue torturing innocent civilians and taking over hospitals? It's not the soldier's fault, it's the leadership.

[Alex From San Diego]

Originally posted by Rich
I'd be willing to wager I've studied and understand the Geneva convention a hell of a lot more than you do, I don't care if you've fought in a war. Was I there? No. Were you? Show the fucking insurgents fighting out of the hospital, once again a negative can't be proven.

Here in America, you are innocent until proven guilty. So you have the burden of proof to prove there weren't any insurgents in that hospital.

I'll bet there were since those fanatics are used to hiding behind their civilians and putting innocent civilians in dangers way.

If they did, the blood shed is on them not US troops.

[Rich]

Then when they get busted doing something illegal, they pin it on individual soldiers who were risking their lives for them because it's an election year. If you actually supported your troops this is the last thing you'd want.

[WarChild]

Originally posted by directfiesta


resistance or patriot is the proper term.

Which category does Jordanian militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and his group fit in to?

Resitance or patriot?

[Rich]

Originally posted by Alex From San Diego
Here in America, you are innocent until proven guilty. So you have the burden of proof to prove there weren't any insurgents in that hospital.

umm, that's guilty until proven innocent.

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by Alex From San Diego
Here in America, you are innocent until proven guilty. So you have the burden of proof to prove there weren't any insurgents in that hospital.

Read it and explain ... because it makes no sense!

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by WarChild
Which category does Jordanian militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and his group fit in to?

Resitance or patriot?

Resistance

[WarChild]

In regards to the Hospital, on CNN they didn't say they were destroying it or taking it because it was Terrorist held.

What was said is that it was taken first to be used to treat injured troops. They also said not one bullet was fired in resitance taking it.

[WarChild]

Originally posted by directfiesta
Resistance

You mean Insurgent.