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PerfectionGirls · 10-27-2004, 11:08 PM

www.wifeysworld.com

Yep... and several others.

Veterans Day · 10-27-2004, 11:08 PM

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Originally posted by PerfectionGirls
www.wifeysworld.com

Yep... and several others.

http://www.wifeycash.com

Drake · 10-27-2004, 11:09 PM

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Originally posted by BRISK
But they don't promote Southern Charms, they promote their own sites.

Is an AVS webmaster an affiliate or paysite owner? Whatever you call it, they're under the umbrella of a program that takes a cut of their revenue.

Steen2 · 10-27-2004, 11:10 PM

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Originally posted by Mike33
Is an AVS webmaster an affiliate or paysite owner? Whatever you call it, they're under the umbrella of a program that takes a cut of their revenue.

Congrats on 2k.

Drake · 10-27-2004, 11:12 PM

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Originally posted by Steen2
Congrats on 2k.

Thanks man!

BRISK · 10-27-2004, 11:14 PM

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Originally posted by Mike33
Is an AVS webmaster an affiliate or paysite owner? Whatever you call it, they're under the umbrella of a program that takes a cut of their revenue.

and CCBill and Epoch take a cut of revenue out of paysites, does that mean we should just call paysite operators "affiliates"?

Drake · 10-27-2004, 11:16 PM

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Originally posted by BRISK
and CCBill and Epoch take a cut of revenue out of paysites, does that mean we should just call paysite operators "affiliates"?

No because they're only processing the subscription. They're not doing the hosting, updating the main home site, getting more amateur sites up etc.

But I get your point. Can we end this?

Steen2 · 10-27-2004, 11:16 PM

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Originally posted by BRISK
and CCBill and Epoch take a cut of revenue out of paysites, does that mean we should just call paysite operators "affiliates"?

No...

pornguy · 10-27-2004, 11:17 PM

that is right. A few very successful sites out there just do not want to be copied, so they keep to themselves and make a nice chunk of money.

BRISK · 10-27-2004, 11:24 PM

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Originally posted by Mike33
No because they're only processing the subscription. They're not doing the hosting, updating the main home site, getting more amateur sites up etc.

But I get your point. Can we end this?

I know what you mean. My point is that it's a little hard to refer to the SC girls as "affiliates" when they clearly have a direct connection to the running of their own websites and the content that appears on their site, as apposed to say an affiliate of TCG, ARS, NastyDollars who have no input into the sites they send traffic to.

I suppose the term "affiliate" is a bit vague.

psyko514 · 10-27-2004, 11:31 PM

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Originally posted by BRISK
I know what you mean. My point is that it's a little hard to refer to the SC girls as "affiliates" when they clearly have a direct connection to the running of their own websites and the content that appears on their site, as apposed to say an affiliate of TCG, ARS, NastyDollars who have no input into the sites they send traffic to.

I suppose the term "affiliate" is a bit vague.

I think what Sly went is paysites where all the promotion/traffic generation is done internally.

That's not quite the case for SC.

JulianSosa · 10-27-2004, 11:35 PM

This thread started off well..

foolio · 10-27-2004, 11:36 PM

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www.wifeysworld.com

hell ya - they are cool peep also. They 2 of my single girl sites as 'friends' and dammm the traffic was awesome.

Sly · 10-27-2004, 11:39 PM

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Originally posted by JulianSosa
This thread started off well..

Judging from your past posts I got the assumption that you have an in-house setup. No clue what you have though!

Drake · 10-27-2004, 11:39 PM

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Originally posted by foolio
hell ya - they are cool peep also. They 2 of my single girl sites as 'friends' and dammm the traffic was awesome.

Any idea how they got so big?

BRISK · 10-27-2004, 11:39 PM

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Originally posted by JulianSosa
This thread started off well..

...until I made it better

codymc12 · 10-28-2004, 12:31 AM

50-75 joins a day? Not many.

But 10-20k a month? More than you might think.

There are lots of reasons not to go with an affliate program - ask anyone who runs one.

There are also lots of reasons TO go with an affiliate program - ask anyone who runs one.

It becomes a matter of choice and what level of success is acceptable to you.

Historically, you saw this a lot in the amateur arena. Sites started off with no affliate program, and grew to a comfortable level, successful by any standard. THEN they started affliate programs. Homegrown and Carol Cox are two I could name without feeling I was saying anything anyone didn't want revealed. Both those sites were doing very well prior to starting their affliate programs.

codymc12 · 10-28-2004, 12:32 AM

an addendum:

I was once told by the owner of a very large, well known affiliate program:

Unless you are bringing deep pockets to the table, a good rule of thumb on starting a paysite - if you can't make it profitable with your own traffic and no affiliates, you probably won't make it as a sponsor.

Opinion only, but I can see the sense of it.

EscortBiz · 10-28-2004, 12:33 AM

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Originally posted by codymc12
50-75 joins a day? Not many.

But 10-20k a month? More than you might think.

There are lots of reasons not to go with an affliate program - ask anyone who runs one.

There are also lots of reasons TO go with an affiliate program - ask anyone who runs one.

It becomes a matter of choice and what level of success is acceptable to you.

Historically, you saw this a lot in the amateur arena. Sites started off with no affliate program, and grew to a comfortable level, successful by any standard. THEN they started affliate programs. Homegrown and Carol Cox are two I could name without feeling I was saying anything anyone didn't want revealed. Both those sites were doing very well prior to starting their affliate programs.

oh

frankfortuna · 10-28-2004, 12:35 AM

We operate around 60 mainstream sites focused on the same group of products. Average of 150-225 sales daily with no affiliates.

baddog · 10-28-2004, 12:39 AM

www.pamporn.com been around and making money since 1998 . . . no affiliates . . . . it is for sale BTW

codymc12 · 10-28-2004, 12:49 AM

Wow - pamporn... been around forever.

baddog · 10-28-2004, 01:22 AM

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Originally posted by codymc12
Wow - pamporn... been around forever.

want to buy it?

polish_aristocrat · 10-28-2004, 03:00 AM

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Originally posted by WiredGuy
Thing is, I think Quiet is the only one who's rather public about it. I'm sure there's a few paysite operators out there who are successful but we simply don't know of them because they don't want to be that well known.

WG

Same goes for SE experts. ;)

polish_aristocrat · 10-28-2004, 03:01 AM

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Originally posted by datatank
Im out of the loop but im sure if you check the hun, world sex , sleazy and other big ones you will see all the sites that are doing that.

Do all those bachelor party and euro sex party sites have affiliate programs?
They look like they are making a killing .

Euro Sex Parti is Nasty Dollars

maxjohan · 10-28-2004, 03:35 AM

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Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
Euro Sex Parti is Nasty Dollars

I belive he talked about cfnm.com

On another note I read that redclouds.com had 600,000 paid members in an article that was made in 2001.

The funny thing was that they was complaing about
bandiwidth costs in that article.

The most successful guys
without affiliates, dont you think?

psyko514 · 10-28-2004, 03:42 AM

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Originally posted by maxjohan
I belive he talked about cfnm.com

On another note I read that redclouds.com had 600,000 paid members in an article that was made in 2001.

The funny thing was that they was complaing about
bandiwidth costs in that article.

The most successful guys
without affiliates, dont you think?

Don't they have a similar setup to Southern Charms?

PornBroker · 10-28-2004, 03:53 AM

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Originally posted by codymc12
if you can't make it profitable with your own traffic and no affiliates, you probably won't make it as a sponsor.

I would tend to agree.

cafeaulait · 10-28-2004, 04:04 AM

www.bubblegirls.com

maxjohan · 10-28-2004, 04:22 AM

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Originally posted by psyko514
Don't they have a similar setup to Southern Charms?

they have proadult.com for affiliates.

You can get free hosting aka redclouds server as an affiliate.

bigdog · 10-28-2004, 04:50 AM

http://teenpinkvideos.com/

hentaivip · 10-28-2004, 05:12 AM

Manowar · 10-28-2004, 05:20 AM

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Originally posted by Veterans Day
http://www.wifeycash.com

didnt know about that.

Shoehorn! · 10-28-2004, 05:21 AM

Prolly mentioned already, but Southern Charms.

dirtysouth · 10-28-2004, 09:21 AM

bump

Great topic.

codymc12 · 10-28-2004, 11:04 AM

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Originally posted by baddog
want to buy it?

I wish we were in a buying position, but at the moment, we're not. Definately a blast from the past, though.

MsCheyenne · 05-01-2005, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

How many successful paysites are out there with no affiliates? Just kind of curious. I know a few, but really not many.

Wondering how many people can pull it off...

FemDom sites with good content are netting an average of 10k with no affiliates. I am pretty sure that is standard with most good femdom sites.

Cheyenne

Paul Markham · 05-01-2005, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

its a bigger number than you think. smart people. usually exclusive content and quality content and no scammy biz practices like pre-checked xsells, no spamming operations - just hard work. and u rarely see any of them on a webmaster board.

there is a limit to how big those sites can grow - but 10-15,000 members ain't nuthin to sneeze at!

Very true.

We are converting well on www.paulmarkhamteens.com with TGP and bought traffic, 2 of our affiliated also do very well. But as I see it unless I spend a fortune enticing affiliates and give away 35%+ of my turn over it's never going to take off. Plus wiith affiliates I will have to spend hours looking after some of them.

We got a student working 20 hours a week, submitting by hand and Chameleon and signing up over 30 a week, and growing, with Chameleon and some partner accounts. Low figures but we are newbies at traffic.

Now do I take on more guys full time, pay for spots and traffic and concentrate on making the site retain or put in a lot more work with affiliates, which will effect the business?

100 joins a day without affiliates, must be the same income as 200 a day with them, they can be expensive to get, keep and maintain.

I guess we will go the middle road and have our own traffic sources plus let affiliates join us if they want to and try to convert and retain their traffic.

Paul Markham · 05-01-2005, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by PerfectionGirls

www.wifeysworld.com

Yep... and several others.

Just took a look at this and it's an excellent site.

Dirty Dane · 05-01-2005, 10:16 PM

No one mentioned ALS Scans?

Makingcoin · 05-01-2005, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by cafeaulait

www.bubblegirls.com

They use to be part of triplexcash.

thewebgarage · 05-01-2005, 10:36 PM

qmov.com

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10-28-2004, 12:31 AM	#67
codymc12 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 719	50-75 joins a day? Not many. But 10-20k a month? More than you might think. There are lots of reasons not to go with an affliate program - ask anyone who runs one. There are also lots of reasons TO go with an affiliate program - ask anyone who runs one. It becomes a matter of choice and what level of success is acceptable to you. Historically, you saw this a lot in the amateur arena. Sites started off with no affliate program, and grew to a comfortable level, successful by any standard. THEN they started affliate programs. Homegrown and Carol Cox are two I could name without feeling I was saying anything anyone didn't want revealed. Both those sites were doing very well prior to starting their affliate programs.

10-28-2004, 12:32 AM	#68
codymc12 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 719	an addendum: I was once told by the owner of a very large, well known affiliate program: Unless you are bringing deep pockets to the table, a good rule of thumb on starting a paysite - if you can't make it profitable with your own traffic and no affiliates, you probably won't make it as a sponsor. Opinion only, but I can see the sense of it.

10-28-2004, 12:35 AM	#70
frankfortuna Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,504	We operate around 60 mainstream sites focused on the same group of products. Average of 150-225 sales daily with no affiliates.

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baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	www.pamporn.com been around and making money since 1998 . . . no affiliates . . . . it is for sale BTW

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