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Old 10-13-2004, 10:42 PM   #1
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Bush is FINISHED!

Barring an incredible "October Suprise" or a big screw up on Kerry's part, Bush will follow in his father's foot steps as a one term president.

I say this based not only on tonight's debate, in which Bush acted & talked like Gomer Pyle for most of the debate with little substance which allowed Kerry to be a runaway winner, coupled with the latest poll numbers out today in the battle ground states.

In Oregon, Kerry has opened up a 6 point lead.
In Ohio, Kerry now has a 4 point lead (he had been DOWN by 5 points 1 week ago).
In Pennsylvania, Kerry has a 7 point lead.
In Iowa, it's dead even at 47% each.
In Wisconsin Kerry has opened up a 3 point lead.
In Minnesota Kerry has opened up a 2 point lead.
And in Florida, it is NOW a tie at 48% each (Bush had been leading by 4 points 1 week ago).

So as you can see, Kerry has gained in EACH of these battleground states (Haven't looked up Colorado, New Mexico and Arizona yet).

And maybe most importantly:
"A tracking poll by the Zogby International group showed Kerry, the four-term senator from Massachusetts, with a three-point edge at 47-44 percent heading into the final stretch of an acrimonious, marathon campaign."

Zogby has been the most accurate poll in national elections since the year 2000.

And latest overall approval rating of Bush stands at just 44%. His LOWEST EVER since he became President. No president has ever been re-elected with a favorability standing of less than 50%.

YES!!

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Old 10-13-2004, 10:45 PM   #2
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Iowa will vote Kerry. It's a democratic state.
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Old 10-13-2004, 10:46 PM   #4
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i'll have to watch the rest of the debate
because i fell asleep on the couch about
20 mins into it LOL

thank god for DVR
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Old 10-13-2004, 10:51 PM   #6
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electorial counts have nothing to do with winning elections - just ask bush.
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electorial counts have nothing to do with winning elections - just ask bush.
Actually, they DO..that's why Bush DID get in the white house last election.
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In Oregon, Kerry has opened up a 6 point lead.
In Ohio, Kerry now has a 4 point lead (he had been DOWN by 5 points 1 week ago).
In Pennsylvania, Kerry has a 7 point lead.
In Iowa, it's dead even at 47% each.
In Wisconsin Kerry has opened up a 3 point lead.
In Minnesota Kerry has opened up a 2 point lead.
And in Florida, it is NOW a tie at 48% each (Bush had been leading by 4 points 1 week ago).



SORRY! I can't stop laughing. Where did you find these mythical stats? All the polls I have seen show Bush with a 3-5 point lead in FLA, a slim lead in Ohio, and a slim deficit in Pennsylvania. You've been smoking way too much crack.
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Old 10-13-2004, 10:55 PM   #11
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SORRY! I can't stop laughing. Where did you find these mythical stats? All the polls I have seen show Bush with a 3-5 point lead in FLA, a slim lead in Ohio, and a slim deficit in Pennsylvania. You've been smoking way too much crack.
Come on. You must know by now that the Dummycrats just make up statistics when they have nothing else to say.

It's funny. It's almost as if they believe Kerry will win if only they can prove their point here on GFY.
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you mean it disappeared for 8 years while Bill was in office?


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SORRY! I can't stop laughing. Where did you find these mythical stats? All the polls I have seen show Bush with a 3-5 point lead in FLA, a slim lead in Ohio, and a slim deficit in Pennsylvania. You've been smoking way too much crack.
If you can't read these are from the Zogby polls.
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In desperate need of updating. Same results for the last 5 days now.

In fact, since 9/30/04 Bush has only IMPROVED or STAYED the same in ONE battleground state.

In the other 9, Kerry has either gained ground or taken the lead.
And that's of tonite, 10/13/04.
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The information he posted is available on this site. You just need to go past the map with the bright pretty colors that caught your attention and actually read. The author of the site said he doesn't trust the polls that show Bush ahead but vowed not to average the polls and instead show the new ones regardless of who they are from.

Them muthafuckas is spinnin yall.

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If you can't read these are from the Zogby polls.
And all the douche bag has to do is turn on CNN and watch the "crawl" that has been ECHOING the same poll results every 10-15 mins since the debate ended.
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In desperate need of updating. Same results for the last 5 days now.

In fact, since 9/30/04 Bush has only IMPROVED or STAYED the same in ONE battleground state.

In the other 9, Kerry has either gained ground or taken the lead.
And that's of tonite, 10/13/04.
It's updated. Read my above comments.
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Hmm....interesting...Fox News doesn't have any "instant poll" #'s on the debate. Wonder why?

Can't believe that they DID post this though:

"Kerry accurately quoted Bush as saying he does not think much about Osama bin Laden and is not all that concerned about him. The president protested: "I just don't think I ever said I'm not worried about Osama bin Laden. It's kind of one of those exaggerations."
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It's updated. Read my above comments.
Went back to read more and can't even get the site to load now.
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link to www.rockthevote.org from your all sites and you will help ....
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A thumbs up on that!

It was interesting this evening during the NBC nightly news that they said they are expecting a 75% voter turnout! WOW!
Usually we're lucky to get 50%..and historically, large voter turnout has favored the demos.
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Fox had Kerry barely winninghowever the pol was a pain in the ass to find.....lol

It is anyones guess who will win I just want to be able to travel overseas without being embarassed when people make US comments. Look and the strength in the Euro and and CDN our economy sucks.
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if Kerry wins this election it would mean the 2000 election was fair , if Kerry loses Bush stole his second presidential election
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Fox had Kerry barely winninghowever the pol was a pain in the ass to find.....lol

It is anyones guess who will win I just want to be able to travel overseas without being embarassed when people make US comments. Look and the strength in the Euro and and CDN our economy sucks.
How do the people at Fox manage to look in the camera and say "Fair & Balanced" without falling over backwards in a fit of incredible laughter?
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At least I won't have to listen to mindless Bush bashing, it'll switch to mindless Kerry bashing.
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Zogby has been the most accurate poll in national elections since the year 2000.
Im by no means a Bush supporter but.. you do realize that since 2000, there havent actually been any other elections right?

They had a 50% of getting it right in 2000..

Just as they have a 50% chance of getting it right in 2004.

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Im by no means a Bush supporter but.. you do realize that since 2000, there havent actually been any other elections right?

Really..well here's a NEWS FLASH for you..there were elections in 2002 for Governors, Senators AND House Representatives as well as a NUMBER of other local & state elections.

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i just hope Bush losses this time
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Really..well here's a NEWS FLASH for you..there were elections in 2002 for Governors, Senators AND House Representatives as well as a NUMBER of other local & state elections.

Sheesh!
Your actual quote was about NATIONAL elections, of which only 1 has happened. Governer Races, Senetors, and House Elections are not covered under National results. The only True National Election is for pres.

(last i checked Californians never voted for the governer of Texas)
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Old 10-14-2004, 03:20 PM   #38
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here's hopeing guys...
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Old 10-14-2004, 03:24 PM   #39
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I don't know how to break it to you, but a 1 point lead or a 10 point lead doesn't give someone more electoral votes unless it is in one of the few states that is not a winner take all situation.

Oregon's 7 votes isn't likely to make or break anyone's campaign
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Old 10-14-2004, 03:27 PM   #40
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It was interesting this evening during the NBC nightly news that they said they are expecting a 75% voter turnout! .
I will believe that when I see it
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Old 10-14-2004, 03:33 PM   #41
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as long as racism exists in america republicans will win
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Old 10-14-2004, 04:14 PM   #42
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It's not just some "politics" that are at stake in the US. It is just insanity if the US people allowed Bush to become President for another four years.

If this happens, they will be left a legacy which would be hard to downplay for decades and a financial cost unheard of.

Another current thread on GFY is about currency exchange rates with Canada being low - ya ain't see nothing yet!

No point in "Bush bashing" - it's all been said. The guy should never have been even a candidate in 2000 for the Presidency - he is simply not qualified and provides evidence of this, almost on a daily basis. No leader of any country in the western world is so inadquately equipped to lead as the current US President.

The one "claim of achievement" that *seems* to stand with many folks, is that Bush was a "good Commander-In-Chief" on his "war on terrorism". I can't even consider giving him any credit for this, - simply because he failed to address it, tho the Admin may claim differently.

Despite claims otherwise, there are more terrorists with plans for the US than ever existed before Bush's "war". bin Laden, although symbolic, is free. The myth propogated about "homeland security" is that, a myth. Iraq? The price for that has not been paid yet - and the bill will be high in many ways and last decades. I suspect we are going to see a *real* shock and awe.

This was a disasterous Presidential term for the US - time and the legacy will show how disasterous.

Whether the US people like it or not, the world is watching and waiting to see if there is a wiser judgement in selecting a President. (Forget Kerry, tho he happens to be the other choice - it's not about politics). If it appears another bout of Bush is on the way, - other nations will act appropriately as they have been doing for some time now. None of this is good for anyone, including the US. Let's call it the "not helpful and uncooperative" syndrome.

Get out and vote for *anyone* with some honour and integrity else the odds are, the outlook is going to be kinda bleak! :-)

Good luck folks! Choose wisely... it matters, especially now.

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Old 10-14-2004, 04:57 PM   #43
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Your actual quote was about NATIONAL elections, of which only 1 has happened. Governer Races, Senetors, and House Elections are not covered under National results. The only True National Election is for pres.

(last i checked Californians never voted for the governer of Texas)
I guess the concept of polling for races other than the Prez is just too much for you to handle.
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Old 10-14-2004, 05:03 PM   #44
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put up the link direct to the info plz.
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Old 10-14-2004, 06:01 PM   #45
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Kerry all the way BABY!
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Old 11-02-2004, 11:07 PM   #46
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Good call man.
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