JFK and Fubarwebmasters.com is it time for a change? - GoFuckYourself.com

Dwreck · 09-23-2004, 04:43 PM

First and Foremost , I love JKF he has always been pleasant and helpful to me and he has carved out a great little niche in the industry.

This is NOT A BASH SESSION. Just some creative criticism.

I was thinking its time that he changed up his site a bit the black is kind of boring and I feel he could better showcase the sponsors.

I would love for him to Visit offices on his trips and take pictures and have corresponding pictures/video's and interviews with staff members. So I know who I am dealing with.

Is it time JFk bought a video cam and added Video to his site too?

I think it would be cool if you could add your own caption or decription to the pics. Give it some more depth.

What do you think?

P.S Jfk please dont read into this the wrong way i was just thinking when I was looking at your site today like I do most days.

TheMob · 09-23-2004, 04:45 PM

yeha, i agree. it could really use some poshing up!

Dwreck · 09-23-2004, 04:46 PM

I think even Skining it would be cool.

09-23-2004, 04:46 PM

I think video may be difficult and adding captions may be difficult. If he added captions and names, that'd mean he'd have to record each and every persons name in correspondance with the frame number unless he only snapped pics of people he knows.

Other than that, the design and layout should be easilly tweaked.

Ice · 09-23-2004, 04:47 PM

I'm sure with all that JFK has done for us that someone would redesign it for nothing

Dwreck · 09-23-2004, 04:51 PM

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Originally posted by shermsshack
I think video may be difficult and adding captions may be difficult. If he added captions and names, that'd mean he'd have to record each and every persons name in correspondance with the frame number unless he only snapped pics of people he knows.

Other than that, the design and layout should be easilly tweaked.

Let the user log in and add it himself or something. EX: If htere was a pick of you and John Doe you could log in and Say SHERSHACK and JOHN from blanksexmoney.com or whatever getting thier grove on. That way I know the person in the pic.

Add some video clips at the end of each catagorie. Do a quick pan and some drunken interviews. That can be that hard. Hire an extra man even i dunno. Im willing to do it. HIRE ME LOL

.:St Ides:. · 09-23-2004, 04:58 PM

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Originally posted by ill
Let the user log in and add it himself or something. EX: If htere was a pick of you and John Doe you could log in and Say SHERSHACK and JOHN from blanksexmoney.com or whatever getting thier grove on. That way I know the person in the pic.

Add some video clips at the end of each catagorie. Do a quick pan and some drunken interviews. That can be that hard. Hire an extra man even i dunno. Im willing to do it. HIRE ME LOL

Good idea, but can you really trust that webmasters would only log into there pix and only post that it's them under it.

I doubt anyone would fake who is under each pic

Bell · 09-23-2004, 04:59 PM

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Originally posted by ill
Let the user log in and add it himself or something. EX: If htere was a pick of you and John Doe you could log in and Say SHERSHACK and JOHN from blanksexmoney.com or whatever getting thier grove on. That way I know the person in the pic.

Add some video clips at the end of each catagorie. Do a quick pan and some drunken interviews. That can be that hard. Hire an extra man even i dunno. Im willing to do it. HIRE ME LOL

sooooo...

you were wanting to create a JOB for yourself with starting this thread, correct ??

LOL

now having said that - though...
I do like your ideas and I would enjoy seeing those along with what JFK is already doing...

and

just for the record...

I LOVE JFK - and I don't want to create a headache for him or make his life more difficult... but if he's up for some of those changes... then by all means... I would ENJOY seeing those on his site ...

~Bell

Dwreck · 09-23-2004, 05:00 PM

That the humor part of it. I dunno. Im sure you could think of something.

.:St Ides:. · 09-23-2004, 05:02 PM

It would be rather hard to shoot both pix and video, and to be able to go and cut interviews I don't see it being possible. He already has enough work on his hands making it to every party and place during a show.

Plus with video it would get very time consuming getting everyone to fill out a model release if there is a boob or anything else shown.

Plus, if you notice on Fubar there are a lot of times where it will say "pic taken down by request"

He would have a hell of a time doing the edit's on every video before he could post it.

These are good ideas, but expansion of what he already does does not seem needed.

If it ain't broke don't fix it!

WiredGuy · 09-23-2004, 05:03 PM

Other than maybe a small design change, I like the site as is. I wouldn't want video to be honest. Captions or names of people in the pics would be great, but not realistically possible to capture every single name and with the volume of pictures taken, would take way too long.

WG

.:St Ides:. · 09-23-2004, 05:04 PM

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Originally posted by ill
That the humor part of it. I dunno. Im sure you could think of something.

It would become a free for all as to who could post the funniest, or most ignorant comment under someones pic.

This could create tension between people who do biz, and the last thing JFK would need to someone posting Pedo, or something racist under one of his sponsors pix to make him maybe lose his investors.

It would also create a place where he would have to monitor pix numerous times a day, and that's just a headache.

Don't know who it is in a pic, hot link it to GFY and say "Hey who is this?"

Phoenix · 09-23-2004, 05:04 PM

i would add a few more quality pictures of me on the front..but that is about it

.:St Ides:. · 09-23-2004, 05:05 PM

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Originally posted by WiredGuy
Other than maybe a small design change, I like the site as is. I wouldn't want video to be honest. Captions or names of people in the pics would be great, but not realistically possible to capture every single name and with the volume of pictures taken, would take way too long.

WG

Some design change would not be bad, but if he likes it then good for him.

Names would be nice, but time consuming I think...

Dwreck · 09-23-2004, 05:06 PM

Ok it would be easy to shoot some Video. Do a quick pan of the show floor ,some booths, some parties and quick interviews.
There is ton of video cam lurking at the shows.

HOw hard would that be?

Im just looking for something fresh and exciting.

Maybe it's time for JFK to hire some back up

.:St Ides:. · 09-23-2004, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ill
Ok it would be easy to shoot some Video. Do a quick pan of the show floor ,some booths, some parties and quick interviews.
There is ton of video cam lurking at the shows.

HOw hard would that be?

Im just looking for something fresh and exciting.

Maybe it's time for JFK to hire some back up

JFK would then have to get a model release for everyone he shoots. Since he has nudity on his site it would be considered adult, plus if he caught a boob at a booth he'd need that as well.

This would become highly time consuming and would also be a headache for him to have to keep 2257 records!

Dwreck · 09-23-2004, 05:11 PM

There is some great Video clips on Rochardsbunnyranch with both nudity and webmasters and I dont see him have any trouble with it.

Come on dont you think some Video would be cool?

.:St Ides:. · 09-23-2004, 05:13 PM

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Originally posted by ill
There is some great Video clips on Rochardsbunnyranch with both nudity and webmasters and I dont see him have any trouble with it.

Come on dont you think some Video would be cool?

Video would be ok, but he shoots at randon via Rochard who has pix of his friends.

It would and could become a huge time issue to do that.

Plus then he has to hire another person to shoot and edit video.

He would also have to charge through the roof for ad space as well, think of the bandwith bill he would come up with if he had hours of footage to watch for free.

Sly · 09-23-2004, 05:15 PM

No, I don't think video would be cool. JFK is everywhere, it would be impossible to stay off the videos. I don't want to be on any videos. Pictures are fine, no video.

.:St Ides:. · 09-23-2004, 05:16 PM

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Originally posted by Sly
No, I don't think video would be cool. JFK is everywhere, it would be impossible to stay off the videos. I don't want to be on any videos. Pictures are fine, no video.

Exactly as I said, it would become a nightmare for his editor to edit out any video of people who do not want to be shown. Taking a pic down from a server takes 10 seconds, editing video can take hours.

Dwreck · 09-23-2004, 05:17 PM

Why are you guys so afraid of Video? I wanna see what the show floor looked like, who was there what was going on.

Im not talking about long Video. Little 3 minute clips here and there.

DMoney did it with great success why can't JFK?

TheMob · 09-23-2004, 05:18 PM

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Originally posted by .:St Ides:.
Exactly as I said, it would become a nightmare for his editor to edit out any video of people who do not want to be shown. Taking a pic down from a server takes 10 seconds, editing video can take hours.

he could just ask the conventions to put up a "your face and voice may be recorded" sticker

.:St Ides:. · 09-23-2004, 05:19 PM

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Originally posted by ill
Why are you guys so afraid of Video? I wanna see what the show floor looked like, who was there what was going on.

Im not talking about long Video. Little 3 minute clips here and there.

DMoney did it with great success why can't JFK?

Don't party all night and you'll make it down to the show room floor!

D money did not make it his living to go around and shoot people at shows as JFK does.

Sly · 09-23-2004, 05:21 PM

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Originally posted by TheMob
he could just ask the conventions to put up a "your face and voice may be recorded" sticker

Yeh, I'm sure AVN will hop right on that idea.

I think JFK does a great job. No change needed.

.:St Ides:. · 09-23-2004, 05:21 PM

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Originally posted by Sly
Yeh, I'm sure AVN will hop right on that idea.

I think JFK does a great job. No change needed.

I agree totally

Dwreck · 09-23-2004, 05:27 PM

I never question wherether or not he did a good job. IT KICKS ASS!!

The minute you walk into an internext show you are confronted with a warning sigh that states that you could be possible filmed at any point. I saw a pic of it on Jfk's site but I would be damned if I could find it.

I'm saying Some Vids would be cool not a whole movie.

Sly · 09-23-2004, 05:30 PM

The shows... whatever I guess. But the parties and other more intimate events... no.

That could lead to many people losing their jobs, hahaha.

Dwreck · 09-23-2004, 05:31 PM

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That could lead to many people losing their jobs, hahaha.

Maybe webmasters would learn to smarten up?

Sly · 09-23-2004, 05:33 PM

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Originally posted by ill
Maybe webmasters would learn to smarten up?

No. They would take the party elsewhere and JFK wouldn't be invited.

Dwreck · 09-23-2004, 05:34 PM

Good that would seperate the rift raft Im down for that.

Sly · 09-23-2004, 05:40 PM

Cool in theory but I have seen a lot of "players" do stuff that would probably qualify them as "riff raff".

Just busting your balls. Simple difference in opinion, no biggie, at least you like Tool.

Raven · 09-23-2004, 05:43 PM

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Originally posted by WiredGuy
Other than maybe a small design change, I like the site as is. I wouldn't want video to be honest. Captions or names of people in the pics would be great, but not realistically possible to capture every single name and with the volume of pictures taken, would take way too long.

WG

I agree.....there's nothing wrong with the site...and, it's not as if we all need to be impressed by design skills...

It's a familiar kind of place we all know....like a favourite coffee shop....or restaurant...

Raven · 09-23-2004, 05:44 PM

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Originally posted by ill
Good that would seperate the rift raft Im down for that.

I'm laughing......it's riff raff....and the reason I'm laughing is because someone once called Tev and I rift raft, so we named our corporation Rift Raft, Inc.

.:St Ides:. · 09-23-2004, 05:44 PM

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Originally posted by ill
Maybe webmasters would learn to smarten up?

For many webmasters this is there time to let loose and have a good time.

Pix when drunk leave something to the imgination, but video tells a different story

Jace · 09-23-2004, 05:44 PM

i agree, the site seems cluttered and needs some organizing

Dwreck · 09-23-2004, 05:48 PM

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Originally posted by JaceXXX
i agree, the site seems cluttered and needs some organizing

Thats what I mean.

TheJimmy · 09-23-2004, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
Other than maybe a small design change, I like the site as is. I wouldn't want video to be honest. Captions or names of people in the pics would be great, but not realistically possible to capture every single name and with the volume of pictures taken, would take way too long.

WG

what he said...

video I'm sure could be donated by other party/convention go'ers...

Dwreck · 09-23-2004, 05:50 PM

there is a great option!!!

xNetworx · 09-23-2004, 06:20 PM

It does have that 1998 feel to it but if it works... it works I guess.

JFK · 09-23-2004, 06:46 PM

Thanks for the input guys, There are reasons for us not doing a few things like names under pics.. one of them is it would be impossible to get the pics up in a timely manner, they only have a limited shelf life , till the interest in the event fades. Secondly a lot of peeps dont mind pics taken "but dont you use my name". I really dont feel there is enough interest in posting videos. It is time consuming the loading factor etc. as well as having someone doing the edits.I have considered it in the past but, decided against it. By the time you load a video you could have gone tru 5 pages of pics. With the pics you can drop them at any time then go back and pic up where you left off. Someone once described FUBAR as "that Ugly little site".......then it sort of grew on them and they started advertising. We still do business with them 2 yrs later. It might not be leading edge but it works, its like a comfortable old shoe, might look like shit but its the one you always wear. Like someone or someones in here said "if it aint broken dont fix it". I had offers to redisign it a number of times, I give the go ahead, then the people come to me asking well what do you want ? So up to this point it never went anywhere. We will be making some minor adjustments as we go along. Thanks for everyones input appreciate it J

baddog · 09-23-2004, 07:35 PM

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Originally posted by shermsshack
I think video may be difficult and adding captions may be difficult. If he added captions and names, that'd mean he'd have to record each and every persons name in correspondance with the frame number unless he only snapped pics of people he knows.

no shit . . . . that might slow things down a bit . . . . .as far as visiting offices and taking pics of the sales reps etc, I am sure he would for the right money . . . we all have a price

baddog · 09-23-2004, 07:36 PM

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Originally posted by iceicebaby
I'm sure with all that JFK has done for us that someone would redesign it for nothing

you would think

baddog · 09-23-2004, 07:38 PM

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Originally posted by ill
Let the user log in and add it himself or something. EX: If htere was a pick of you and John Doe you could log in and Say SHERSHACK and JOHN from blanksexmoney.com or whatever getting thier grove on. That way I know the person in the pic.

Add some video clips at the end of each catagorie. Do a quick pan and some drunken interviews. That can be that hard. Hire an extra man even i dunno. Im willing to do it. HIRE ME LOL

yeah . . . and who pays for the b/w or verifies that people don't jump in and post bullshit?

Sorry Derek, dumb idea IMHO

baddog · 09-23-2004, 07:39 PM

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Originally posted by .:St Ides:.

I doubt anyone would fake who is under each pic

I hope that was a joke

baddog · 09-23-2004, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ill

Maybe it's time for JFK to hire some back up

paid for by . . . . ???

GTS Mark · 09-23-2004, 07:45 PM

Why change a winning formula?

DH

Rochard · 09-23-2004, 09:28 PM

These are public events in public places, and nearly everyone in the industy has a camera and or video camera. You will be photographed, no matter if it's on the showroom floor, naked on the beach in front of a bonfire, or in a private hotel room in a hot tub. Generally speaking people know what pictures can be put on line, and they usually run them by everyone involved before putting them.

Derek - back up on this part. After returning from Mexico I put up a video of Derek that I thought "pushed it". I ran it by Derek before putting it up, and only after getting his approval did I show it to anyone.

FUBAR rocks and I'm glad that Lightspeed Cash supports him.

Here's my all time favorite FUBAR picture.....

Rochard · 09-23-2004, 09:31 PM

And here's my favorite picture of JFK......

SleazyDream · 09-23-2004, 09:33 PM

fubar rocks

FilthyRob · 09-23-2004, 09:37 PM

too much work for JFK and Bad Dog

09-23-2004, 04:43 PM	#1
Dwreck Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 7,362	JFK and Fubarwebmasters.com is it time for a change? First and Foremost , I love JKF he has always been pleasant and helpful to me and he has carved out a great little niche in the industry. This is NOT A BASH SESSION. Just some creative criticism. I was thinking its time that he changed up his site a bit the black is kind of boring and I feel he could better showcase the sponsors. I would love for him to Visit offices on his trips and take pictures and have corresponding pictures/video's and interviews with staff members. So I know who I am dealing with. Is it time JFk bought a video cam and added Video to his site too? I think it would be cool if you could add your own caption or decription to the pics. Give it some more depth. What do you think? P.S Jfk please dont read into this the wrong way i was just thinking when I was looking at your site today like I do most days. __________________ Derek Dwreck Smout Program Manager Icq 165976549 Skype derekthomassmout

09-23-2004, 04:46 PM	#3
Dwreck Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 7,362	I think even Skining it would be cool. __________________ Derek Dwreck Smout Program Manager Icq 165976549 Skype derekthomassmout

09-23-2004, 04:47 PM	#5
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09-23-2004, 05:00 PM	#9
Dwreck Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 7,362	That the humor part of it. I dunno. Im sure you could think of something. __________________ Derek Dwreck Smout Program Manager Icq 165976549 Skype derekthomassmout

09-23-2004, 05:03 PM	#11
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,486	Other than maybe a small design change, I like the site as is. I wouldn't want video to be honest. Captions or names of people in the pics would be great, but not realistically possible to capture every single name and with the volume of pictures taken, would take way too long. WG __________________ I play with Google.

09-23-2004, 04:45 PM	#2
TheMob Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: 2006 Posts: 8,584	yeha, i agree. it could really use some poshing up!

09-23-2004, 04:46 PM	#4
shermo Guest Posts: n/a	I think video may be difficult and adding captions may be difficult. If he added captions and names, that'd mean he'd have to record each and every persons name in correspondance with the frame number unless he only snapped pics of people he knows. Other than that, the design and layout should be easilly tweaked.

09-23-2004, 05:02 PM	#10
.:St Ides:. Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,857	It would be rather hard to shoot both pix and video, and to be able to go and cut interviews I don't see it being possible. He already has enough work on his hands making it to every party and place during a show. Plus with video it would get very time consuming getting everyone to fill out a model release if there is a boob or anything else shown. Plus, if you notice on Fubar there are a lot of times where it will say "pic taken down by request" He would have a hell of a time doing the edit's on every video before he could post it. These are good ideas, but expansion of what he already does does not seem needed. If it ain't broke don't fix it!

09-23-2004, 05:04 PM	#13
Phoenix BACON BACON BACON Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Poems everybody, the laddie fancies himself a poet Posts: 35,465	i would add a few more quality pictures of me on the front..but that is about it __________________ Skype Phoenixskype1 Telegram PhoenixBrad https://quantads.io

09-23-2004, 05:06 PM	#15
Dwreck Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 7,362	Ok it would be easy to shoot some Video. Do a quick pan of the show floor ,some booths, some parties and quick interviews. There is ton of video cam lurking at the shows. HOw hard would that be? Im just looking for something fresh and exciting. Maybe it's time for JFK to hire some back up __________________ Derek Dwreck Smout Program Manager Icq 165976549 Skype derekthomassmout

09-23-2004, 05:11 PM	#17
Dwreck Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 7,362	There is some great Video clips on Rochardsbunnyranch with both nudity and webmasters and I dont see him have any trouble with it. Come on dont you think some Video would be cool? __________________ Derek Dwreck Smout Program Manager Icq 165976549 Skype derekthomassmout

09-23-2004, 05:15 PM	#19
Sly Let's do some business! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 31,337	No, I don't think video would be cool. JFK is everywhere, it would be impossible to stay off the videos. I don't want to be on any videos. Pictures are fine, no video.

09-23-2004, 05:17 PM	#21
Dwreck Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 7,362	Why are you guys so afraid of Video? I wanna see what the show floor looked like, who was there what was going on. Im not talking about long Video. Little 3 minute clips here and there. DMoney did it with great success why can't JFK? __________________ Derek Dwreck Smout Program Manager Icq 165976549 Skype derekthomassmout

09-23-2004, 05:27 PM	#26
Dwreck Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 7,362	I never question wherether or not he did a good job. IT KICKS ASS!! The minute you walk into an internext show you are confronted with a warning sigh that states that you could be possible filmed at any point. I saw a pic of it on Jfk's site but I would be damned if I could find it. I'm saying Some Vids would be cool not a whole movie. __________________ Derek Dwreck Smout Program Manager Icq 165976549 Skype derekthomassmout

09-23-2004, 05:30 PM	#27
Sly Let's do some business! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 31,337	The shows... whatever I guess. But the parties and other more intimate events... no. That could lead to many people losing their jobs, hahaha.

09-23-2004, 05:34 PM	#30
Dwreck Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 7,362	Good that would seperate the rift raft Im down for that. __________________ Derek Dwreck Smout Program Manager Icq 165976549 Skype derekthomassmout

09-23-2004, 05:40 PM	#31
Sly Let's do some business! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 31,337	Cool in theory but I have seen a lot of "players" do stuff that would probably qualify them as "riff raff". Just busting your balls. Simple difference in opinion, no biggie, at least you like Tool.

09-23-2004, 05:44 PM	#35
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	i agree, the site seems cluttered and needs some organizing

09-23-2004, 05:50 PM	#38
Dwreck Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 7,362	there is a great option!!! __________________ Derek Dwreck Smout Program Manager Icq 165976549 Skype derekthomassmout

09-23-2004, 06:20 PM	#39
xNetworx So Fucking What Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Whore Island Posts: 14,445	It does have that 1998 feel to it but if it works... it works I guess.

09-23-2004, 06:46 PM	#40
JFK FUBAR the ORIGINATOR Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: FUBARLAND Posts: 67,374	Thanks for the input guys, There are reasons for us not doing a few things like names under pics.. one of them is it would be impossible to get the pics up in a timely manner, they only have a limited shelf life , till the interest in the event fades. Secondly a lot of peeps dont mind pics taken "but dont you use my name". I really dont feel there is enough interest in posting videos. It is time consuming the loading factor etc. as well as having someone doing the edits.I have considered it in the past but, decided against it. By the time you load a video you could have gone tru 5 pages of pics. With the pics you can drop them at any time then go back and pic up where you left off. Someone once described FUBAR as "that Ugly little site".......then it sort of grew on them and they started advertising. We still do business with them 2 yrs later. It might not be leading edge but it works, its like a comfortable old shoe, might look like shit but its the one you always wear. Like someone or someones in here said "if it aint broken dont fix it". I had offers to redisign it a number of times, I give the go ahead, then the people come to me asking well what do you want ? So up to this point it never went anywhere. We will be making some minor adjustments as we go along. Thanks for everyones input appreciate it J __________________ FUBAR Webmasters - The FUBAR Times - FUBAR Webmasters Mobile - FUBARTV.XXX For promo opps contact jfk at fubarwebmasters dot com

09-23-2004, 07:45 PM	#46
GTS Mark Vrume Mark Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 20,912	Why change a winning formula? DH

09-23-2004, 09:28 PM	#47
Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 74,245	These are public events in public places, and nearly everyone in the industy has a camera and or video camera. You will be photographed, no matter if it's on the showroom floor, naked on the beach in front of a bonfire, or in a private hotel room in a hot tub. Generally speaking people know what pictures can be put on line, and they usually run them by everyone involved before putting them. Derek - back up on this part. After returning from Mexico I put up a video of Derek that I thought "pushed it". I ran it by Derek before putting it up, and only after getting his approval did I show it to anyone. FUBAR rocks and I'm glad that Lightspeed Cash supports him. Here's my all time favorite FUBAR picture..... __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

09-23-2004, 09:31 PM	#48
Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 74,245	And here's my favorite picture of JFK...... __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

09-23-2004, 09:33 PM	#49
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	fubar rocks __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

09-23-2004, 09:37 PM	#50
FilthyRob Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Anaheim - CA Posts: 6,741	too much work for JFK and Bad Dog __________________ AKA - Clubsexy