Interesting thought on TGP2 - GoFuckYourself.com

wolfshade · 07-27-2001, 04:15 AM

Hey people I heared there was a thread about this on AWI. I don't post there, but I went over to take a look.

And read this:

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Its also a questions if all big sponsors would go this way.If the sponsors would write at terms and faqs that they only accept TGP2 at a solid time like 01.10.01 It wouldnt be so hard to change it all.Not only the webmasters have to work on it also the sponsors have to work on it and webmasters shouldnt trade more with somebody who would be an ass.....le and wouldnt change it.I m sure that the sponsors should be also very interrested in TGP2 but are also afraid of loosing their webmasters

Now there's an interesting idea

I'm pretty sure sponsors would love to have more productive traffic to their pages and so I think it would be a good idea to ask the big ones if they would support this as becomming the new standard

Any sponsors on this board that would like to share their opinion?

Wolfshade

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wolfshade · 07-27-2001, 05:06 AM

BTW being a sponsor myself I would support this thing too if other sponsors backed me up on it also

Nobody can do this alone but together we can.

There is strenght in numbers

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DamageX · 07-27-2001, 06:44 AM

Get a hold of ElvisManson, he runs quite a few sites, also give Lens and Wizzo a heads up on this. I'm sure they've been scrolling through the threads, but have not yet posted any opinion on the matter.

Getting the sponsors to back this up is an even better idea than to get the big hitter TGP's in the game. 99% of the big hitters will laugh their ass off, while watching their traffic increase. I just received an e-mail from The Hun as a reply to my pointing him to the TGP2 thread, he said he thought it's a great idea, his traffic will increase because surfers will be looking for better quality/quantity. I have to agree with him, it's a consumer's market, BUT, that doesn't mean that we can not adjust the rules. The TGP game has been the way it is now for years, and greatly thanks to the big, established TGP's running more or less a cut-throat game competing with each other.

I'm not saying that TGP2's won't eventually compete with each other, hell, competition is good. But this doesn't mean that we can't all work together to establish the phenomenon. Getting the sponsors in on this will also force the big TGP's to follow, as they would eventually be left with little or no submissions. So if you're in touch with any sponsors, give'em a heads up on this and try beating the idea into their heads, 'cause if we all work together we can expect a sizeable increase in income and a decrease in bandwidth costs.

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E-van · 07-27-2001, 07:41 AM

The problem for sponsors is that they have to take hits from every legal source, I still have to find one that tells me not to send them TGP traffic, or toplist traffic or whatever I can send them, because in my book, it only takes 1 click to make a sale...

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DamageX · 07-27-2001, 08:06 AM

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Originally posted by E-van:
The problem for sponsors is that they have to take hits from every legal source, I still have to find one that tells me not to send them TGP traffic, or toplist traffic or whatever I can send them, because in my book, it only takes 1 click to make a sale...

You are absofuckinlutely right, BUT... Sponsors are also well aware of the fact that if the traffic they're getting is lesser in amount but better in productivity. I don't think they give a fine fuck where their sign-ups are coming from. Yet, if they would all back TGP2, I'm pretty sure they'll be able to cut corners more effectively, since they wouldn't receive the same amount of shit traffic, but REAL HORNY people looking for quality content.

I say get the sponsors to back this up and you don't have to worry about the big TGP's.

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E-van · 07-27-2001, 08:20 AM

hmm, about the only way to really implement this feature with a sponsor, would be increased payouts... there is always the person that wants either more traffic or more webmasters sending them more traffic, I'm pro-TGP2 I'll start submitting as soon as it gets implemented and I can get a list of sites and rules, but there is always the person looking for more bookmarks, etc, besides, from a sponsor point of view, it's hard to police this, you do not only have to police spamming and CP, you will have to police for a standard set of rules...

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ldinternet · 07-27-2001, 08:40 AM

Get real guys, no sponsor is going to give up money because of some new gallery design fad.

Why should they lose business, and profit?

DamageX · 07-27-2001, 09:22 AM

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Originally posted by ldinternet:
Get real guys, no sponsor is going to give up money because of some new gallery design fad.

Why should they lose business, and profit?

Ummm, give up money? I doubt it, they'd be the first to make more money off of this. After all, it's THEIR products we're all selling. The traffic would probably be lower, but who REALLY cares about traffic? I know I care about making more money, how about you LD?

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Kat - Fast · 07-27-2001, 09:46 AM

wouldn't surfers be MORE liable to return to a TGP2 as he will have less pics to look at on one gallery - and therefore want more pics to look at?

DamageX · 07-27-2001, 09:53 AM

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Originally posted by Kat:
wouldn't surfers be MORE liable to return to a TGP2 as he will have less pics to look at on one gallery - and therefore want more pics to look at?

Sure, provided Worldsex and the likes of it would switch to TGP2 as well. Otherwise, unless we trade internally, they'd be the big winners of this new thing.

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E-van · 07-27-2001, 10:13 AM

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Ummm, give up money? I doubt it, they'd be the first to make more money off of this. After all, it's THEIR products we're all selling. The traffic would probably be lower, but who REALLY cares about traffic? I know I care about making more money, how about you LD?

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If you want them to enforce this, they would be losing money, since they would have to reject TGP traffic and start accepting TGP2 traffic only.
This being said, sponsors will support the idea of TGP2 of course, but that's because they are going to get more traffic out of it anyway... and more traffic to them means more sales, and of course, sponsors have their own exits, etc...
that's why I said that the only way I see that the sponsor support is going to be real and not just a pat in the back for sending them better traffic, is by increasing their payouts for this kind of traffic, the problem is that this idea is a little bit hard to police, since anyone could send them any traffic and say it's TGP2.

I do think TGP2 is a good idea, I know I have seen this done in the past without success, but that's because there was no support.

There is already a community of CJ2 sites trading amongst them which grows larger and larger, and they do get traffic, although I don't think one of them could ever catch the Hun or worldsex. (but I might be wrong, of course).

To envision traffic in a TGP2, you have to trade better, and rely less on bookmarks, and then send to the galleries a fair amount of traffic.

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Andy · 07-27-2001, 10:28 AM

yeah there are CJ2 sites and they mostly got just minimal ammount of content, they trade with TGPs and the community is still getting bigger ... so TGP2 shouldn't die at all
anyway I do not think that even a regular TGP could catch the Hun Worldsex or AL4A ...

This TGP2 thing is getting really popular .. yea way to go guys !

PEACE

wolfshade · 07-27-2001, 01:19 PM

Ehm pardon me but why do you all think the galleries are the only thing that make people bookmark the site?

If you offer more (interactive content) Like

A chat room we all could share for the surfers, Games etc... It will grow into a community for adult surfers.

Now that's the thing I'm after actualy

Wolfshade

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E-van · 07-27-2001, 01:42 PM

Yeah, but a more interactive community with chatroom and games would defeat the whole purpose, which is giving less pink for free, wouldn't it?

bookmarks should go down, but not be finished with, I used to have a CJ2 and I even had bookmarkers

weird what some people puts in their bookmarks...

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Andy · 07-28-2001, 01:50 AM

exactly E-van,
the idea is to give away less free porn
sow why to give them games, chat rooms ..

wolfshade · 07-28-2001, 07:43 AM

Ehm E-van?

I have to disagree with ya on that one. More interaction does not defeat the purpose at all. If you are talking about live videochat I agree with ya but a standard chatroom where adult XXX lovers can meet is accesible for free in lots of places and does not compete with any paysites out there.

And as for the bandwidth and webspace costs of such a chatroom I'm willing to donate that for the good cause

As for games there are lots of active X games allready free so we can use that. by no menas do these compete with paysites.

We could use it however to grand prices to surfers like offering a free 30 day membership or somethin to the winner of the strippoker game once a month or so.

Those offcourse are only ideas but I think specialy the chatroom is something to consider.

Also since we are starting from scratch a board for participating webmasters might be in order(Willing to donate that one too

)

I'm for the idea to make this somewhat of an open source project where rules and regulations are discussed in public where webmasters can participate

Wolfshade

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OzKaNoz · 07-28-2001, 08:16 AM

wolfshade
A TGP2 board sounds good!
and I like the Adult Chat idea for surfers.

Oz

DamageX · 07-28-2001, 08:36 AM

Great action wolfshade, lead us into the light.

I'm with you all the way.

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07-27-2001, 05:06 AM	#2
wolfshade Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The right place Posts: 847	BTW being a sponsor myself I would support this thing too if other sponsors backed me up on it also Nobody can do this alone but together we can. There is strenght in numbers Wolfshade ------------------ Wolfshade's Moneymakers Get paid per minute at Dialerclopedia, per run at Nodialercash, or be a sponsor yourself!!! It's the choice of an Adult generation! ICQ#49873955 [email protected]

07-27-2001, 06:44 AM	#3
DamageX Marketing & Strategy Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Former nomad Posts: 14,293	Get a hold of ElvisManson, he runs quite a few sites, also give Lens and Wizzo a heads up on this. I'm sure they've been scrolling through the threads, but have not yet posted any opinion on the matter. Getting the sponsors to back this up is an even better idea than to get the big hitter TGP's in the game. 99% of the big hitters will laugh their ass off, while watching their traffic increase. I just received an e-mail from The Hun as a reply to my pointing him to the TGP2 thread, he said he thought it's a great idea, his traffic will increase because surfers will be looking for better quality/quantity. I have to agree with him, it's a consumer's market, BUT, that doesn't mean that we can not adjust the rules. The TGP game has been the way it is now for years, and greatly thanks to the big, established TGP's running more or less a cut-throat game competing with each other. I'm not saying that TGP2's won't eventually compete with each other, hell, competition is good. But this doesn't mean that we can't all work together to establish the phenomenon. Getting the sponsors in on this will also force the big TGP's to follow, as they would eventually be left with little or no submissions. So if you're in touch with any sponsors, give'em a heads up on this and try beating the idea into their heads, 'cause if we all work together we can expect a sizeable increase in income and a decrease in bandwidth costs. ------------------ Respect, DamageX

07-27-2001, 07:41 AM	#4
E-van Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Mex Posts: 447	The problem for sponsors is that they have to take hits from every legal source, I still have to find one that tells me not to send them TGP traffic, or toplist traffic or whatever I can send them, because in my book, it only takes 1 click to make a sale... ------------------ Phat Sites Need Phat Hosting Get PHAT And Now You can Get even Phatter! TGP Hosting Special!

07-27-2001, 08:20 AM	#6
E-van Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Mex Posts: 447	hmm, about the only way to really implement this feature with a sponsor, would be increased payouts... there is always the person that wants either more traffic or more webmasters sending them more traffic, I'm pro-TGP2 I'll start submitting as soon as it gets implemented and I can get a list of sites and rules, but there is always the person looking for more bookmarks, etc, besides, from a sponsor point of view, it's hard to police this, you do not only have to police spamming and CP, you will have to police for a standard set of rules... ------------------ Phat Sites Need Phat Hosting Get PHAT And Now You can Get even Phatter! TGP Hosting Special!

07-27-2001, 08:40 AM	#7
ldinternet Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 8,245	Get real guys, no sponsor is going to give up money because of some new gallery design fad. Why should they lose business, and profit?

07-27-2001, 09:46 AM	#9
Kat - Fast Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The bushes behind your house Posts: 2,303	wouldn't surfers be MORE liable to return to a TGP2 as he will have less pics to look at on one gallery - and therefore want more pics to look at?

07-27-2001, 10:28 AM	#12
Andy Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: A nice little folder on some C drive inside a huge server ;) Posts: 460	yeah there are CJ2 sites and they mostly got just minimal ammount of content, they trade with TGPs and the community is still getting bigger ... so TGP2 shouldn't die at all anyway I do not think that even a regular TGP could catch the Hun Worldsex or AL4A ... This TGP2 thing is getting really popular .. yea way to go guys ! PEACE

07-27-2001, 01:19 PM	#13
wolfshade Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The right place Posts: 847	Ehm pardon me but why do you all think the galleries are the only thing that make people bookmark the site? If you offer more (interactive content) Like A chat room we all could share for the surfers, Games etc... It will grow into a community for adult surfers. Now that's the thing I'm after actualy Wolfshade ------------------ Wolfshade's Moneymakers Get paid per minute at Dialerclopedia, per run at Nodialercash, or be a sponsor yourself!!! It's the choice of an Adult generation! ICQ#49873955 [email protected]

07-27-2001, 01:42 PM	#14
E-van Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Mex Posts: 447	Yeah, but a more interactive community with chatroom and games would defeat the whole purpose, which is giving less pink for free, wouldn't it? bookmarks should go down, but not be finished with, I used to have a CJ2 and I even had bookmarkers weird what some people puts in their bookmarks... ------------------ Phat Sites Need Phat Hosting Get PHAT And Now You can Get even Phatter! TGP Hosting Special!

07-28-2001, 01:50 AM	#15
Andy Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: A nice little folder on some C drive inside a huge server ;) Posts: 460	exactly E-van, the idea is to give away less free porn sow why to give them games, chat rooms ..

07-28-2001, 07:43 AM	#16
wolfshade Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The right place Posts: 847	Ehm E-van? I have to disagree with ya on that one. More interaction does not defeat the purpose at all. If you are talking about live videochat I agree with ya but a standard chatroom where adult XXX lovers can meet is accesible for free in lots of places and does not compete with any paysites out there. And as for the bandwidth and webspace costs of such a chatroom I'm willing to donate that for the good cause As for games there are lots of active X games allready free so we can use that. by no menas do these compete with paysites. We could use it however to grand prices to surfers like offering a free 30 day membership or somethin to the winner of the strippoker game once a month or so. Those offcourse are only ideas but I think specialy the chatroom is something to consider. Also since we are starting from scratch a board for participating webmasters might be in order(Willing to donate that one too ) I'm for the idea to make this somewhat of an open source project where rules and regulations are discussed in public where webmasters can participate Wolfshade ------------------ Wolfshade's Moneymakers Get paid per minute at Dialerclopedia, per run at Nodialercash, or be a sponsor yourself!!! It's the choice of an Adult generation! ICQ#49873955 [email protected]

07-28-2001, 08:16 AM	#17
OzKaNoz Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Deep With In Your Mind Posts: 1,834	wolfshade A TGP2 board sounds good! and I like the Adult Chat idea for surfers. Oz

07-28-2001, 08:36 AM	#18
DamageX Marketing & Strategy Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Former nomad Posts: 14,293	Great action wolfshade, lead us into the light. I'm with you all the way. ------------------ Respect, DamageX