TripleXCash.com has shaved my sales - GoFuckYourself.com

bgraham · 09-05-2004, 11:47 AM

Dear fellow webmasters:

I run several adult websites and until recently, adverised many of TripleXCash websites. When I noticed that I was never generating any sales for them I did a ghost test by signing myself. And to my amazement, my sale did not register. After contacting them they admitted that there was a problem and they later 'manually' credited my sale.

I then felt that I needed to test them further so I advertised on my sites that I would give surfers FREE access to my galleries if they signed up for one of the advertised sites if the surfer provides me with the username and password for verification of their signup. I received three emails notifying me of signups to a TripleXCash site but sill no sales registered. When I verified that each username and password was indeed valid I again contacted Roseanne at TripleXCash and was told those usernames were invalid. Now they are completely ignoring me.

I posted basically this same message on their discussion board but somehow the thread dissappeared and can you believe that they deleted my login?

So, as a webmaster you should 'test' your affiliate programs to ensure thay are crediting your sales as promised. TripleXCash has breached their own contract and my message to them is that if this issue is not resolved promptly I shall take them to small claims court to recover lost revenue. There is no reason why this should have happened. Now, as far as I'm concerned they cannot be trusted.

I received a telephone call earlier today from a nice gentlemen who tod me that my thread on their board caught his attention because up until recently, his conversion ratio with TripleXCash was something like 1:150 but recently it has dropped to approximately 1:975 so maybe he is having a problem to and was glad to find out about this and that he sall be conducting a test or two also. He also agrees that we are not in the business of providing free advertising.

Thanks for listening. Feel free to contact me at 559-288-4131 if you think you have been cheated to. Thank you.

Robert Graham
adult-media.net

fris · 09-05-2004, 11:49 AM

weird never had any problem with triplexcash my ratio with little april has been always low.

thanks for bringing this up

swoop · 09-05-2004, 11:50 AM

How much was the lost revenue?

AndrewKanuck · 09-05-2004, 11:50 AM

popcorn

johndoebob · 09-05-2004, 11:51 AM

Never made any money with them neither the webmaster who signed up under im ref id.I stopped promoting them in any way a while ago.

Dawgy · 09-05-2004, 11:51 AM

so what other programs have you defrauded by joining the sites under your own referral code?

SmokeyTheBear · 09-05-2004, 11:52 AM

The user agreement you signed agrees you cannot create false sales ( i.e. signing up yourself ).

Additionally in asking your users for password's you also broke another of the rules.

Besides all that, the story does sound strange to say the least. And i do think that test signups ( with notification within 48 hrs ) should be the norm in this industry.. so i do understand your "test"

Would appreciate a triplexcash response.

AaronM · 09-05-2004, 11:52 AM

bgraham
Sep 2004
Posts: 1

If you have any solid proof of shaving...Post it. Otherwise...STFU.

AaronM · 09-05-2004, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dawgy
so what other programs have you defrauded by joining the sites under your own referral code?

Oops.

detoxed · 09-05-2004, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dawgy
so what other programs have you defrauded by joining the sites under your own referral code?

How did he defraud them if the sale never counted under his affiliate code? He didnt get paid anything for it...

SmokeyTheBear · 09-05-2004, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM
bgraham
Sep 2004
Posts: 1

If you have any solid proof of shaving...Post it. Otherwise...STFU.

from what i have read he gave a pretty clear detailed account of what happened.

There is no such thing as ironclad proof.

He could be a tad more detailed though..

besides the onus is on the sponsor in my view, to state what happened.

i.e. tell us what webmaster recieved credit for his test signup.
i.e. tell us why this webmaster did not recieve his credit

AaronM · 09-05-2004, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
from what i have read he gave a pretty clear detailed account of what happened.

There is no such thing as ironclad proof.

He could be a tad more detailed though..

besides the onus is on the sponsor in my view, to state what happened.

i.e. tell us what webmaster recieved credit for his test signup.
i.e. tell us why this webmaster did not recieve his credit

No such thing as ironclad proof huh?

Does PIBCash ring any bells?

SmokeyTheBear · 09-05-2004, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by detoxed
How did he defraud them if the sale never counted under his affiliate code? He didnt get paid anything for it...

no he is right. It is fraud because he attempted to signup under his own ref code.

But he also notified the sponsor the next day.

Im not suggesting anyone do this as you will most likely be axed.

Best idea is to ask the sponsor to allow a test signup as long as you notify them within 48 hours of the test signup.

JSA Matt · 09-05-2004, 12:01 PM

quick, everyone take sides

SmokeyTheBear · 09-05-2004, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM
No such thing as ironclad proof huh?

Does PIBCash ring any bells?

Okay so sometimes there are exeptions to the rule

But seriously even then , i never saw IRONCLAD proof , i saw a bunch of pictures that may or may not have been modified.

The overwhelming amount of evidence in that scenario made it "guilty beyond a resonable doubt"

Theo · 09-05-2004, 12:03 PM

If I believe a sponsor shaves me I'll have my friends do test signups without asking.

detoxed · 09-05-2004, 12:04 PM

Anyone want to buy some prepaid debit cards in any name you choose in order to do some test signups? LOL

EscortBiz · 09-05-2004, 12:04 PM

bullshit next case please

also check your links, many webmasters dont know how to read or copy and paste

PatrickKing · 09-05-2004, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JSA Matt
quick, everyone take sides

I like to be neutral about situations that don't involve me.
I will be the impartial observer

AaronM · 09-05-2004, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
Okay so sometimes there are exeptions to the rule

But seriously even then , i never saw IRONCLAD proof , i saw a bunch of pictures that may or may not have been modified.

The overwhelming amount of evidence in that scenario made it "guilty beyond a resonable doubt"

I guess you missed the thread with links directly into their admin area where people were adjusting all sorts of nifty things.

I have over 36 megs of hard core proof about their shaving and non-payments...Which continues to this very day......

Theo · 09-05-2004, 12:06 PM

also check if you have cookies enabled or not, there are different levels of cookies at IE.

AaronM · 09-05-2004, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PatrickKing
I like to be neutral about situations that don't involve me.
I will be the impartial observer

Back in my day.....That was called being a pussy.

johndoebob · 09-05-2004, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM
No such thing as ironclad proof huh?

Does PIBCash ring any bells?

Not everybody is able to get logins to admin panels to make screenshots

JSA Matt · 09-05-2004, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
Okay so sometimes there are exeptions to the rule

But seriously even then , i never saw IRONCLAD proof , i saw a bunch of pictures that may or may not have been modified.

The overwhelming amount of evidence in that scenario made it "guilty beyond a resonable doubt"

You missed a bunch dude, I was in their admin and saw their webmaster database and everything.

hydro · 09-05-2004, 12:07 PM

stevecore · 09-05-2004, 12:08 PM

Signups were good yesterday, today they have trailed off a bit (1:307).

Yes they have MPA2 set up so there is a possibility, but any program can add a shave. MPA2 does not deter me from promoting them from time to time.

JSA Matt · 09-05-2004, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM
Back in my day.....That was called being a pussy.

or french

BradM · 09-05-2004, 12:09 PM

Aaron, how can an affiliate have "ironclad proof" of shaving? He doesnt have access to the programming or to the backend or to the database.

Sometimes you should think before you speak.
Oh and I am fully expecting some sort of "YOU should think before you speak" comment from you.

I don't think someone should come to the boards yelling "shavers" without some sort of proof but hey sometimes thye don't have any.
PERSONALLY I wouldn't say anything unless I knew for fact.

But he is being ignored by support staff, account deleted etc. It doesn't sound great but there are two sides to EVERY story.
Without any sort of proof I don't believe him either.

But bottom line is how can he have any absolute proof?

SmokeyTheBear · 09-05-2004, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JSA Matt
You missed a bunch dude, I was in their admin and saw their webmaster database and everything.

okay okay already im not defending either pibcash or triplexcash despite what my sig says.

pibcash was an exeption to the rule.

If thats what it takes to proove a cheating sponsor then let the shaving begin..

If triplexcash is not doing anything wrong then this thread is only good avertising.

If it is not , then its a good heads up.

JSA Matt · 09-05-2004, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
If triplexcash is not doing anything wrong then this thread is only good avertising.

If it is not , then its a good heads up.

this thread will only allow people to draw their own conclusions and do their own tests

SmokeyTheBear · 09-05-2004, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BradM
Aaron, how can an affiliate have "ironclad proof" of shaving? He doesnt have access to the programming or to the backend or to the database.

Sometimes you should think before you speak.
Oh and I am fully expecting some sort of "YOU should think before you speak" comment from you.

I don't think someone should come to the boards yelling "shavers" without some sort of proof but hey sometimes thye don't have any.
PERSONALLY I wouldn't say anything unless I knew for fact.

But he is being ignored by support staff, account deleted etc. It doesn't sound great but there are two sides to EVERY story.
Without any sort of proof I don't believe him either.

But bottom line is how can he have any absolute proof?

exactly.

The guy merely stated a claim , that can be easily refuted and proved ( by triplexcash not by the affiliate as he has no access to the backend )

How would you ( aaron) suggest he go about obtaining proof ?

AndrewKanuck · 09-05-2004, 12:15 PM

Someone believes that a sponsor might be shaving - and posts the begining of proof, just needs confirmation now; and GFY jumps on him for breaking rules? Wow. Simply wow.

SmokeyTheBear · 09-05-2004, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JSA Matt
this thread will only allow people to draw their own conclusions and do their own tests

hopefully most webmaster have enough

not to do a test signup that may invalidate their account and lose their revenue.

I would hope that most sponsors allow a 48 hour notification of a test signup ( not prior notification as this doesn't accomplish anything )

andrej_NDC · 09-05-2004, 12:17 PM

I will pull all my links right now, thx for the tip.

TheWildcard · 09-05-2004, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hydro

SmokeyTheBear · 09-05-2004, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by egonetworks
Someone believes that a sponsor might be shaving - and posts the begining of proof, just needs confirmation now; and GFY jumps on him for breaking rules? Wow. Simply wow.

endless test signups mean lower payouts. so i think its understandable that people might be a bit upset about this. But until the adult sponsor industry has some STANDARDS for which to test a sponsor, this seems to be the only way.

Theo · 09-05-2004, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
hopefully most webmaster have enough not to do a test signup that may invalidate their account and lose their revenue.

somehow your reply surprises me....

AaronM · 09-05-2004, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BradM
Aaron, how can an affiliate have "ironclad proof" of shaving? He doesnt have access to the programming or to the backend or to the database.

Sometimes you should think before you speak.
Oh and I am fully expecting some sort of "YOU should think before you speak" comment from you.

I don't think someone should come to the boards yelling "shavers" without some sort of proof but hey sometimes thye don't have any.
PERSONALLY I wouldn't say anything unless I knew for fact.

But he is being ignored by support staff, account deleted etc. It doesn't sound great but there are two sides to EVERY story.
Without any sort of proof I don't believe him either.

But bottom line is how can he have any absolute proof?

You're 100% correct....So...If he does not have absolute proof then perhaps he should STFU rather than risk a lawsuit.

"Oh and I am fully expecting some sort of "YOU should think before you speak" comment from you."

Whatever you say......You know fuck all of what to expect out of me.

Brad...You are a nice guy...but you are pretty ignorant on the boards. I personally think it is a sign of lack of maturity and that you will grow out of it. I see potential in you once you are able to see the big picture.

BradM · 09-05-2004, 12:23 PM

*shrug* I am not arguing anything here I am merely stating my opinion.

stevecore · 09-05-2004, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by andrej_NDC

I will pull all my links right now, thx for the tip.

Andrej, could you contact me on ICQ... got a quick question for you. Thanks.

SmokeyTheBear · 09-05-2004, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
somehow your reply surprises me....

theres a right way to do things , and there is a wrong way to do things..

AaronM · 09-05-2004, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
How would you ( aaron) suggest he go about obtaining proof ?

I wouldn't make any such suggestion. My suggest would be for him to STFU if he does not have the proof.

It's really quite simple.

If you can prove it....Go for it.

Have you EVER seen a prosecutor go to the courts with a case and no supporting evidence?

No.

Why not? Because they know they will lose and take a risk of a lawsuit so they never even seek an indictment

AndrewKanuck · 09-05-2004, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
endless test signups mean lower payouts. so i think its understandable that people might be a bit upset about this. But until the adult sponsor industry has some STANDARDS for which to test a sponsor, this seems to be the only way.

If your intent is to defraud the sponsor with "test signups" - then yes, you should rot in hell. However, he brought it to their attention and it was only used to see if they truely were shaving.

I don't think there's anything wrong with busting a shaver - if *** really is shaving - I can't decide that one.

johndoebob · 09-05-2004, 12:25 PM

Well he has a proof for himself but not for you.

AndrewKanuck · 09-05-2004, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM
I wouldn't make any such suggestion. My suggest would be for him to STFU if he does not have the proof.

It's really quite simple.

If you can prove it....Go for it.

Have you EVER seen a prosecutor go to the courts with a case and no supporting evidence?

No.

Why not? Because they know they will lose and take a risk of a lawsuit so they never even seek an indictment

He has documented signups that weren't creditted to him - he has the URLs they used - he has his ref code; if he can post those, what more proof do you want? A sworn statement by *** that they are shaving his account?

newbreed · 09-05-2004, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM
I wouldn't make any such suggestion. My suggest would be for him to STFU if he does not have the proof.

It's really quite simple.

If you can prove it....Go for it.

Have you EVER seen a prosecutor go to the courts with a case and no supporting evidence?

No.

Why not? Because they know they will lose and take a risk of a lawsuit so they never even seek an indictment

Accept this is not a court, and he does have some (circumstantial, but some) evidence.

andrej_NDC · 09-05-2004, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by stevecore
Andrej, could you contact me on ICQ... got a quick question for you. Thanks.

just hitting you up...

johndoebob · 09-05-2004, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM
I wouldn't make any such suggestion. My suggest would be for him to STFU if he does not have the proof.

It's really quite simple.

If you can prove it....Go for it.

Have you EVER seen a prosecutor go to the courts with a case and no supporting evidence?

No.

Why not? Because they know they will lose and take a risk of a lawsuit so they never even seek an indictment

He doesn't have a proof to show here on the board but when his account wouldn't be deleted he'd have a proof in court, BUT a sponsor can always tell "system failure we're sorry but it wasn't our fault", now proof something different.

SmokeyTheBear · 09-05-2004, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM
I wouldn't make any such suggestion. My suggest would be for him to STFU if he does not have the proof.

It's really quite simple.

If you can prove it....Go for it.

Have you EVER seen a prosecutor go to the courts with a case and no supporting evidence?

No.

Why not? Because they know they will lose and take a risk of a lawsuit so they never even seek an indictment

I have been in the courts for years. There is no such thing as ironclad proof ( see o.j. trial )

I don't think the guy should have stated "SHAVED" he should have merely stated the facts and asked for an explanation if he felt the sponsor was dicking him around.

So far i see no SHAVE or PROOF of shave either, i merely see a bunch of facts. Easily answered by the sponsor.

AaronM · 09-05-2004, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by egonetworks
what more proof do you want? A sworn statement by *** that they are shaving his account?

That would be pretty solid proof.

And Officer newbreed.....

GFY is a court of sorts. Perhaps not a legal one but people are tried and convicted on these very pages every day.

09-05-2004, 11:47 AM	#1
bgraham Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Fresno, California Posts: 9	TripleXCash.com has shaved my sales Dear fellow webmasters: I run several adult websites and until recently, adverised many of TripleXCash websites. When I noticed that I was never generating any sales for them I did a ghost test by signing myself. And to my amazement, my sale did not register. After contacting them they admitted that there was a problem and they later 'manually' credited my sale. I then felt that I needed to test them further so I advertised on my sites that I would give surfers FREE access to my galleries if they signed up for one of the advertised sites if the surfer provides me with the username and password for verification of their signup. I received three emails notifying me of signups to a TripleXCash site but sill no sales registered. When I verified that each username and password was indeed valid I again contacted Roseanne at TripleXCash and was told those usernames were invalid. Now they are completely ignoring me. I posted basically this same message on their discussion board but somehow the thread dissappeared and can you believe that they deleted my login? So, as a webmaster you should 'test' your affiliate programs to ensure thay are crediting your sales as promised. TripleXCash has breached their own contract and my message to them is that if this issue is not resolved promptly I shall take them to small claims court to recover lost revenue. There is no reason why this should have happened. Now, as far as I'm concerned they cannot be trusted. I received a telephone call earlier today from a nice gentlemen who tod me that my thread on their board caught his attention because up until recently, his conversion ratio with TripleXCash was something like 1:150 but recently it has dropped to approximately 1:975 so maybe he is having a problem to and was glad to find out about this and that he sall be conducting a test or two also. He also agrees that we are not in the business of providing free advertising. Thanks for listening. Feel free to contact me at 559-288-4131 if you think you have been cheated to. Thank you. Robert Graham adult-media.net

09-05-2004, 11:49 AM	#2
fris Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 55,372	weird never had any problem with triplexcash my ratio with little april has been always low. thanks for bringing this up __________________ Since 1999: 69 Adult Industry awards for Best Hosting Company and professional excellence. WP Stuff

09-05-2004, 11:50 AM	#3
swoop Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,903	How much was the lost revenue? __________________ Earn 50 % Per Sale - Weekly Payments by check, wire, PayPal, or ePassporte

09-05-2004, 11:50 AM	#4
AndrewKanuck Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Cleveland & Atlanta Posts: 6,706	popcorn __________________

09-05-2004, 11:51 AM	#5
johndoebob Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,405	Never made any money with them neither the webmaster who signed up under im ref id.I stopped promoting them in any way a while ago. __________________

09-05-2004, 11:51 AM	#6
Dawgy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 5,856	so what other programs have you defrauded by joining the sites under your own referral code?

09-05-2004, 11:52 AM	#7
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	The user agreement you signed agrees you cannot create false sales ( i.e. signing up yourself ). Additionally in asking your users for password's you also broke another of the rules. Besides all that, the story does sound strange to say the least. And i do think that test signups ( with notification within 48 hrs ) should be the norm in this industry.. so i do understand your "test" Would appreciate a triplexcash response. __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

09-05-2004, 11:52 AM	#8
AaronM Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: ┌∩┐ ◣_◢ ┌∩┐ Posts: 46,909	bgraham Sep 2004 Posts: 1 If you have any solid proof of shaving...Post it. Otherwise...STFU.

09-05-2004, 12:01 PM	#14
JSA Matt So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 5,464	quick, everyone take sides

09-05-2004, 12:03 PM	#16
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	If I believe a sponsor shaves me I'll have my friends do test signups without asking.

09-05-2004, 12:04 PM	#17
detoxed vip member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,798	Anyone want to buy some prepaid debit cards in any name you choose in order to do some test signups? LOL

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09-05-2004, 12:06 PM	#21
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	also check if you have cookies enabled or not, there are different levels of cookies at IE.

09-05-2004, 12:07 PM	#25
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09-05-2004, 12:08 PM	#26
stevecore Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 6,130	Signups were good yesterday, today they have trailed off a bit (1:307). Yes they have MPA2 set up so there is a possibility, but any program can add a shave. MPA2 does not deter me from promoting them from time to time.

09-05-2004, 12:09 PM	#28
BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	Aaron, how can an affiliate have "ironclad proof" of shaving? He doesnt have access to the programming or to the backend or to the database. Sometimes you should think before you speak. Oh and I am fully expecting some sort of "YOU should think before you speak" comment from you. I don't think someone should come to the boards yelling "shavers" without some sort of proof but hey sometimes thye don't have any. PERSONALLY I wouldn't say anything unless I knew for fact. But he is being ignored by support staff, account deleted etc. It doesn't sound great but there are two sides to EVERY story. Without any sort of proof I don't believe him either. But bottom line is how can he have any absolute proof?

09-05-2004, 12:15 PM	#32
AndrewKanuck Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Cleveland & Atlanta Posts: 6,706	Someone believes that a sponsor might be shaving - and posts the begining of proof, just needs confirmation now; and GFY jumps on him for breaking rules? Wow. Simply wow. __________________

09-05-2004, 12:17 PM	#34
andrej_NDC Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 7,760	I will pull all my links right now, thx for the tip.

09-05-2004, 12:23 PM	#39
BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	shrug I am not arguing anything here I am merely stating my opinion.

09-05-2004, 12:25 PM	#44
johndoebob Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,405	Well he has a proof for himself but not for you. __________________