Art Del Gado

Marriage

As men, we all know that a woman's primary objective is to marry. After years of experience I've discovered their most commonly used strategy. here it is:

1. Girl pressures guy for marriage.

2. Guy delays.

3. Girl gradually starts destroying guy's self-esteem and eliminating his friends.

4. Guy becomes too weak and too much of a loser to find something better than what he has.

5. Girl starts to limit sex. In effect controlling the only good thing in the guy's life.

6. Guy is in despair. Capitulates to marriage.


Then 5-10 years later the guy is an empty shell of his former self. Girl is a ruthless manipulating machine. Girl divorces loser husband. Girl takes 80% of guy's stuff because the guy is too brain dead to find a good lawyer. Girl lives happily ever after. Guy becomes bald alcoholic who dies of heart attack at 45 years old.

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Martin

and that about sums it up..LOL.

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NakedBo

You are wrong there, not all girls think like that. Try looking for the right one

WWC-Moe B.

right on

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Zerof8

ROFL!!! You have put a lot of thought into that havent you? Well your 100% right. A lot of women pull the fake pregnancy BS to

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Jdoughs

Bullshit, they dont even know they are doing it, but they all do it.

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Methodcash Rick

Man, you're dating the wrong kind of women...

Been married almost 17 years, and it's still as good as when we first met....

NakedBo

Yes you are right off course, since I a woman would know nothing about how women think, and you a man would know everything about that...lol

Libertine

3-5 are definitely true. Most women indeed do those things, although I think they do it subconsciously.

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bringer

she must have a defective "woman" chip

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Methodcash Rick

At times, I believe she does...

Libertine

Sorry to say it, but most women indeed do those things, and I think almost every guy in this thread is speaking from experience...

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pornstar2pac

this thread is useless without pics

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Screaming

well man i think you are going after the wrong kind of women because i personally met my fiance when he had nothing and was going no where and now he is going places and doing things right in his life because of me and what we have together

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ElizaEats

Damnit! Which one of you ladies dropped the strategy book?!

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NakedBo

I didn't say no women would do that. I said some women don't A lot of us do stupid things like that yes. But if most guys are dirtbags we don't claim that all of them are do we

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NakedBo

sssssst...can't you see I am trying to cover up...

Libertine

I think the way it works is a bit different though:

1. Woman meets strong, interesting man with unique personality, and falls in love with him.
2. Woman sees a few minor "flaws" (friends, confidence, personality, unwillingness to marry), and tries to correct them so the man comes even closer to her ideal.
3. Woman effectively destroys strong, interesting man with unique personality and turns him into a lapdog.
4. Woman doesn't find lapdog as attractive as original man, starts wanting less sex.
5. Man is robbed of his last bit of hope, and surrenders.
6. Woman either seals his slavery (marriage), or moves on to a new victim if his surrender isn't complete/satisfactory (e.g. man refuses to give up friends, beer).

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Art Del Gado

toooo much ... i like how you sugarcoated that ..

I'm not saying all women are like that .. but there is sure alot of you out there

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ElizaEats

sorry! don't kick me off the team!

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Doctor Dre

Sums it up for a lot of marriages ..

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Libertine

In other words, he was just exploring life a bit, not committing to anything yet, and you took the raw material and molded it into your perception of what a "good" man is?


I'd sooner gnaw my own leg off than I'd ever again date a woman who tries to get me to "go places" and "make something out of my life".

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hydro

some guys kinda do it to themselves, they don't take the time to stop and think that there are billions of women in the world. Everyday i see a hotter woman that i did the day before

ElizaEats

Yeah, it's such a drag when a chick tries to make you all "successful"

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Marcus Aurelius

so what your saying is I've got 2 more years of good pussy and blowjobs then she gets 80% of everything i have?

sounds like a fair trade, I dont have that much.

detoxed

Yet if a man tries to MAKE a woman successful, he gets arrested for abuse

Nanda

I think many women are like that but not all. A few months ago my husband and I were about to get a divorce, I told him I didn't want anything, that he could stay with the house, car, and money, I only wanted my clothes and pictures.

I know a lot of women that search for men, marry and divorce them and take half of what they have. NOt all women do that.

I don't even hold out sex on my husband...he's the one that uses sex as a tool of control...

reynold

that's pathetic! but not all women are like that...you just have to look for the one you can adjust to.

Libertine

Thanks for showing how women indeed do not understand that this is a bad thing.


For all you women here, read closely. This may enlighten you a bit and, with a bit of luck, might even make you less of a lifesucking leech.

When you try to change someone - even if it is with the best of intentions - it shows a really big lack of respect for that person. As adults, we're expected to have both autonomy and responsibility, and taking away from that is extremely disrespectful. It's like you're treating someone as a child instead of an equal. Even worse, it's taking away from someone's integrity.


Now, most women think that they are just "helping out". However, let's look at another similar situation:

Many women really want to lose weight. Imagine their man trying to help them with that. Wouldn't that be great?

Now imagine their man trying to "help" them by constantly nagging them about their weight. Imagine him regularly surprising them with "subtle" hints like diet books, gym subscriptions, etc. Imagine him reminding them not to eat too much when eating at nice restaurants. Imagine him answering a question like "Do you think I'm fat?" with "Well, you could stand to lose some weight honey".


Screaming, your saying he achieved those things "because of you" says it all. In an equal relationship, you may help eachother, encourage eachother, but people still get the credit for their own actions.
Apparently, in your relationship that isn't the case. His success is because of you. Congratulations, you've successfully mentally castrated your fiancé.



(note that this is not directed towards all women, just the dark-spirited succubi among you... i.e. the majority)

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ElizaEats

It's like you have a camera on my life! Who hurt you dude? You're ever so slightly bitter.

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SuckOnThis

Maybe you should make YOURSELF successful instead of taking the credit of your mans work while you sit on your ass watching Jerry Springer.

The only reason a man might be more successful because of a woman is because the energy he used to spend getting laid is now redirected to his career, thats it, nothing more.

ElizaEats

Don't hate 'cause you can't get hooked up like this!

I'm really playing devil's advocate here. I'm all for strong women not hiding behind their husband's names. I think it's both funny and cool how this topic seems to really irritate you GFY guys when in the non-porn world, many guys I've talked to say they'd just as soon have their wives stay at home if they could afford it. Think there's a connection?

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BlackCrayon

lol, women aren't as interested in marriage as some guys think. only 1 girl that i've been with was interested in ever getting married.

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Floridiot

thats about the reality of it

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Libertine

I wasn't talking about your life, I was talking about Screaming - that's the nick of the woman who said her man was successful because of her. Hence that paragraph starting with "Screaming,".

And yes I am bitter. That doesn't take away from the fact that I am right though. (although I do admit that my current view of women - that they've been sent to earth by Satan to make all men's lives miserable for all eternity - may be a slight bit over the top)

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Trixie

As a woman, I know that most men love to stereotype women as beings desparate for commitment. Those of you who think that are fucking deluded.

It's astonishing how many guys cannot grasp the concept that you don't want to marry them, you don't want to have their kids . . . and 49 out of 50 times do not even want them to spend the fucking night.

I love the look on a guy's face when he reaches across me in bed to set my alarm for his wake-up time and I ask, "what are you doing?" It's like their whole world view comes crashing down around their spent condom.

A girl doesn't want me to spend the night? Oh god!! She might not want to marry me!!

Poor babies and their stupid assumptions & stereotypes.

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2HousePlague

Hey punkworld, wassup, remember me from the Rand discussion? Yeah.

Anyway, I'm at the office (working) and my lady (Eliza) IMs this thread, tells me I gotta give a male voice to the otherwise wholly abstract (never gonna meet him/doesn't exist) ideal that is being described here. [Nice set-up for myself, eh!?]

The truth is, YES, I am grateful for someone in my life whose ideas and ideals I respect enough to make my own. I'm not wanting for opinions on ANYTHING -- believe me. But, I think part of this crazy experience called life ought to be striving to improve yourself, to triumph over the impulses that keep us lazy and self-serving. [This should begin to sound familair from our last thread-conversation]. Sometimes, the ideas that inspire us to "more" come from within ourselves. But sometimes, amazin people come into our lives, bringing ideas and ideals with them we never would have found or sought otherwise. Thanks, Eliza for being not only my inspiration, but the bringer of worthy standards for me to live up to.

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ElizaEats

ha ha, sorry. I tend to personalize everything. A lot of guys feel that way for a large part of their lives. But all it takes is for one good woman to come along and change your tune.

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irishfury

irony oh yes

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DESIREbyDESIGN

Wow!

There are a lot of men in this thread that see women as being extremely powerful.



Live and learn.

Hold onto your own independence instead of surrendering it (that goes for men and women).

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Nader

I agree!

Libertine

But that's simply not true. Of all the women I've been with - quite a few - all wanted more, and only one didn't immediately want a full-fledged relationship.

On the other hand, a fair amount decided within weeks that I was "the one" they'd spend the rest of their life with.

I don't know you, so you may be the exception to the rule, but that's what my personal experience tells me


Well, I think there is a large difference between what you are describing and women actually actively trying to change men (unless ofcourse your lady has brainwashed you to the extent that you now only see "her version" of the events).
There's nothing wrong with being influenced by a person, or doing something because of someone. There is, however, something wrong with actively trying to change someone. The latter thing is what many women do, and what I consider completely reprehensible.

(ofcourse, Rand would disagree with me here, and say that you should be your own man completely, not even changing for someone out of your own will)

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SuckOnThis

That may be so, but the problem is most women have given the good ones a bad name. I used to think a few women were money hungry leaches, now I see that a good majority of them are.

15 years ago I lived in a small apartment, had an average job, and although I had no problem attracting women maybe 15-20% of the women I met wanted a relationship. Now, I live in a house worth $700,000, have all the toys, and every woman I have met in the past couple years have done everything they can to cling on me. I can't think of one that hasnt called 10 times a day after one date. I've actually sat there with one of them in which I didnt say more than 5 words, was completely uninterested and she still wouldnt leave me the fuck alone for days. I doubt I'm better looking now, I'm probably more of an asshole, so you tell me why this is. So even if I met a 'good' one I wouldnt know it because all these other 'looking for daddy' types have corrupted the system.

Kimmykim

I hope you and your wife aren't separated. If you are, I hope her divorce attorney doesn't see this ;)

pxxx

Thought about going to go get some help? Just a little suggestion.

ElizaEats

I know lots of girls who were average looking, but they were really nice. They had modest breasts and mousy brown hair. They still got asked on lots of dates, and maybe 15-20% of those guys wanted to do something more than shoot on their faces and leave. Then those girls got boobjobs. They bleached their hair and got their noses done. All of a sudden every guy they meet is suddenly a stalker. They can't go anywhere without being mobbed by men, and guys call ten tims a day. Now they're bitter and bitch, burned by all the jerks they meet, and blind to any good guys that may remain.

Yin Yang dude

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NoCarrier

"As men, we all know that a woman's primary objective is..."

Making sure her pussy doesn't smell and taste like tuna

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