Nats vs. CCBill Ratios - GoFuckYourself.com

xxxjay · 08-24-2004, 11:40 PM

Like I had mentioned in this thread about our recent move to cascading:
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...adid=345945&s=

Here are some screenshots of what I was talking about:

Nats:

CCBill only:

This thread is NOT slamming CCBill ? we use them in our cascading rotation and they are processing a good bit of these transactions.

I?m just trying to show perspective affiliates what a major improvement this is for OCCash since we made the move to cascading billing -- no more lost sales or lost affiliate sales! The difference in conversion is huge while the traffic base remains the same.

xxxdesign-net · 08-24-2004, 11:46 PM

yeah.. my stats are 1:900 so far with occash using ccbill... can you hook me up with Nats..?

Juicy D. Links · 08-24-2004, 11:49 PM

Jay

Who is your primary , and secondary and so on in the cascade?

xxxjay · 08-25-2004, 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by juicylinks
Jay

Who is your primary , and secondary and so on in the cascade?

1. Paycom
2. CCBill

We might add Ibill, but nothing actually makes it to the 3rd layer in the cascade.

SykkBoy · 08-25-2004, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxjay
1. Paycom
2. CCBill

We might add Ibill, but nothing actually makes it to the 3rd layer in the cascade.

I would highly suggest 123bill as a backup as well

http://www.123bill.com
this is an unsolicited endorsement of their company

xxxjay · 08-25-2004, 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SykkBoy2
I would highly suggest 123bill as a backup as well

http://www.123bill.com
this is an unsolicited endorsement of their company

If we see a need for it - we are would look at backup solutions.

Nathan · 08-25-2004, 01:47 AM

Hi...

xxxjay, you might want to try lowering the number of retries CCBill gives the surfer to allow for cascading to go further faster.

I will be talking to CCBill on thursday about a few things in general and will actually talk to them about this too, since I think they let the surfer retry way too often.

That said, CCBill is a great biller in any cascade, no doubt about it!

Major (Tom) · 08-25-2004, 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxjay
1. Paycom
2. CCBill

We might add Ibill, but nothing actually makes it to the 3rd layer in the cascade.

i bill rocks! ibill/paycom/ccbill is the best order.

In nats i use i bill 85% of the time primary. Epoch picks up alot of my sales though. ccbill is good too, but hands down, you will do the most tranactions with i bill.
cheers
Duke

beemk · 08-25-2004, 03:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nathan
xxxjay, you might want to try lowering the number of retries CCBill gives the surfer to allow for cascading to go further faster.

wouldnt that only make sense if it was his first processor on the cascade and not the last?

Nathan · 08-25-2004, 04:05 AM

beemk,

yes, but as far as I know there is more after ccbill, NATS at least would not limit them to stop there.

Even if you do not have another CC biller right now, you could put a check biller there for example.

test44 · 08-25-2004, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DukeSkywalker
i bill rocks! ibill/paycom/ccbill is the best order.

In nats i use i bill 85% of the time primary. Epoch picks up alot of my sales though. ccbill is good too, but hands down, you will do the most tranactions with i bill.
cheers
Duke

xxxjay,

This is Adam from iBill. I'd like to work with you. I think you'll find on most forums that iBill converts the best in cascading as Duke attested to. Check out another post below from a few days ago talking about cascading:

"...and ccbill was #2 then, and probill #4 processor for me.

Verotel's ticket club was bull. so Ccbill had the top spot for a while. But since yesterday IBILL is back at #1 processor for me.

And, this whole time, no matter what order I tried to send signups to these processors, they were always made aware of the multiple billing solutions for my site. And it didn't really matter which company I was favoring at all, HANDS DOWN, NO QUESTION - I GOT MORE SIGNUPS WITH IBILL PERIOD. "

Hit me up at [email protected] or ICQ 137597378.

xxxjay · 08-26-2004, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by test44
xxxjay,

This is Adam from iBill. I'd like to work with you. I think you'll find on most forums that iBill converts the best in cascading as Duke attested to. Check out another post below from a few days ago talking about cascading:

"...and ccbill was #2 then, and probill #4 processor for me.

Verotel's ticket club was bull. so Ccbill had the top spot for a while. But since yesterday IBILL is back at #1 processor for me.

And, this whole time, no matter what order I tried to send signups to these processors, they were always made aware of the multiple billing solutions for my site. And it didn't really matter which company I was favoring at all, HANDS DOWN, NO QUESTION - I GOT MORE SIGNUPS WITH IBILL PERIOD. "

Hit me up at [email protected] or ICQ 137597378.

Yeah, I've been hearing that about IBill - we are looking into it now.

BradM · 08-26-2004, 08:08 PM

Tam at CSWcash would smash her head on the wall if she saw this thread. NO ONE TELL HER!

Doctor Dre · 08-26-2004, 08:17 PM

Cascading sounds great ...

123billing sounds really great as the last opportunity biller

Tam · 08-26-2004, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BradM
Tam at CSWcash would smash her head on the wall if she saw this thread. NO ONE TELL HER!

OH BOY, I get to smash heads? COOL!!! Please point me to the right one..... after MY.

We're about to make a few changes here ourselves.... been working on it for about a month now.... and I LIKE it..... ;)

BUT, I'd like to know more about this NATS thing..... LOL

Zprogramz · 08-26-2004, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxjay
Like I had mentioned in this thread about our recent move to cascading:
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...adid=345945&s=

Here are some screenshots of what I was talking about:

Nats:

CCBill only:

This thread is NOT slamming CCBill ? we use them in our cascading rotation and they are processing a good bit of these transactions.

I?m just trying to show perspective affiliates what a major improvement this is for OCCash since we made the move to cascading billing -- no more lost sales or lost affiliate sales! The difference in conversion is huge while the traffic base remains the same.

Nice ratios but try adding you own merchant account with Netbilling as the primary and CCbill and the secondary and you will see at least a 20% jump in conversions. That is what we saw and even better lately.

Z

DWB · 08-26-2004, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zprogramz
Nice ratios but try adding you own merchant account with Netbilling as the primary and CCbill and the secondary and you will see at least a 20% jump in conversions. That is what we saw and even better lately.

Z

By scrubbing less to get more sales, has your chargeback ratios gone up any?

Zprogramz · 08-26-2004, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
By scrubbing less to get more sales, has your chargeback ratios gone up any?

Only slightly, less than .01% in the past 4 months.
We set our own fraud scrubbing settings through Netbilling.

Z

andrej_NDC · 08-27-2004, 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxjay
CCBill only:

damn, your join page ratios were 1:1800????

DeadFidel · 08-27-2004, 02:35 AM

andrej_NDC · 08-27-2004, 02:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DeadFidel

this would be nice if you would send the people directly from the first page

the later you send them the less people go through

TheMob · 08-27-2004, 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by andrej_NDC
this would be nice if you would send the people directly from the first page the later you send them the less people go through

yeah, that's the way it works

Terenzo · 08-27-2004, 05:10 AM

1:1800 with ccbill looks familiar to me...

andrej_NDC · 08-27-2004, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Terenzo
1:1800 with ccbill looks familiar to me...

when you are an affiliate and convert 1:1800, thats 1800 raw hits...thats probably 1:100-200 join page hits, when the first page dont lead directly to ccbill stats. So imagine 1:1800 join page ratios...

xxxjay · 08-29-2004, 03:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BradM
Tam at CSWcash would smash her head on the wall if she saw this thread. NO ONE TELL HER!

123billing will be in by next week for OCCash. I agree, why leave money on the table?

Fukeneh · 08-29-2004, 03:16 AM

ccbill definately has the lowest conversions from the billers that i have experience with.

Manowar · 08-29-2004, 03:32 AM

thats a pretty fucking massive difference

xxxjay · 08-29-2004, 01:45 PM

If you send traffic to any program, make sure that they use a cascade - otherwise you are losing sales.

Doctor Dre · 08-29-2004, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxjay
If you send traffic to any program, make sure that they use a cascade - otherwise you are losing sales.

I'm wondering what I was doing all thoses years sending out to ccbill programs ... rofl

NETbilling · 08-31-2004, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxjay
123billing will be in by next week for OCCash. I agree, why leave money on the table?

JAy,

I have a proposition for you. WHat # can we reach you at?

Thank you, Mitch Farber

4Pics · 08-31-2004, 11:56 AM

I makes no sense why you wouldn't get your own merchant account (unless you have shitty credit)

You have zero control over scrubing and you pay them 3-5% more for what? Maybe if you only bill $5000 a month 5% is nothing to worry about but people who do several hundred don't make any sense.

Nubiles · 08-31-2004, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxjay
Like I had mentioned in this thread about our recent move to cascading:
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...adid=345945&s=

Here are some screenshots of what I was talking about:

Nats:

CCBill only:

This thread is NOT slamming CCBill ? we use them in our cascading rotation and they are processing a good bit of these transactions.

I?m just trying to show perspective affiliates what a major improvement this is for OCCash since we made the move to cascading billing -- no more lost sales or lost affiliate sales! The difference in conversion is huge while the traffic base remains the same.

Hey man,

Is this a fair comparison?
In ccbill stats the "sales per click" doesnt give you ALL the sales, you need to go to "transactions" to get the entire sales number.

Doesnt seem you are comparing apples to apples here. I may be wrong though.

xxxjay · 08-31-2004, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by netbilling
JAy,

I have a proposition for you. WHat # can we reach you at?

Thank you, Mitch Farber

404-423-7791

08-25-2004, 01:47 AM	#7
Nathan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,108	Hi... xxxjay, you might want to try lowering the number of retries CCBill gives the surfer to allow for cascading to go further faster. I will be talking to CCBill on thursday about a few things in general and will actually talk to them about this too, since I think they let the surfer retry way too often. That said, CCBill is a great biller in any cascade, no doubt about it! __________________ "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right." - Charlie Munger

08-25-2004, 04:05 AM	#10
Nathan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,108	beemk, yes, but as far as I know there is more after ccbill, NATS at least would not limit them to stop there. Even if you do not have another CC biller right now, you could put a check biller there for example. __________________ "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right." - Charlie Munger

08-29-2004, 01:45 PM	#28
xxxjay Tube groupie. Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: LoScandalous, CA Posts: 13,482	If you send traffic to any program, make sure that they use a cascade - otherwise you are losing sales. __________________ http://donttellmehowtoruinmylife.com/ - http://www.jmdigitalmarketing.com/my...s-and-reviews/ - http://www.wouldyouhitit.org - http://shinyobjectreviews.com/

08-24-2004, 11:40 PM	#1
xxxjay Tube groupie. Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: LoScandalous, CA Posts: 13,482	Nats vs. CCBill Ratios Like I had mentioned in this thread about our recent move to cascading: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...adid=345945&s= Here are some screenshots of what I was talking about: Nats: CCBill only: This thread is NOT slamming CCBill ? we use them in our cascading rotation and they are processing a good bit of these transactions. I?m just trying to show perspective affiliates what a major improvement this is for OCCash since we made the move to cascading billing -- no more lost sales or lost affiliate sales! The difference in conversion is huge while the traffic base remains the same. __________________ http://donttellmehowtoruinmylife.com/ - http://www.jmdigitalmarketing.com/my...s-and-reviews/ - http://www.wouldyouhitit.org - http://shinyobjectreviews.com/ Last edited by xxxjay; 08-24-2004 at 11:43 PM..

08-24-2004, 11:46 PM	#2
xxxdesign-net My hips don't lie Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 10,129	yeah.. my stats are 1:900 so far with occash using ccbill... can you hook me up with Nats..?

08-24-2004, 11:49 PM	#3
Juicy D. Links So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: N.Y. -Long Island -- Posts: 122,992	Jay Who is your primary , and secondary and so on in the cascade?

08-26-2004, 08:08 PM	#13
BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	Tam at CSWcash would smash her head on the wall if she saw this thread. NO ONE TELL HER!

08-27-2004, 02:35 AM	#20
DeadFidel Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: This was my wife circa 2002 Posts: 6,760

08-27-2004, 05:10 AM	#23
Terenzo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 971	1:1800 with ccbill looks familiar to me...

08-29-2004, 03:16 AM	#26
Fukeneh Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Location: Location: Posts: 1,245	ccbill definately has the lowest conversions from the billers that i have experience with.

08-29-2004, 03:32 AM	#27
Manowar jellyfish Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 71,528	thats a pretty fucking massive difference

08-31-2004, 11:56 AM	#31
4Pics Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 7,952	I makes no sense why you wouldn't get your own merchant account (unless you have shitty credit) You have zero control over scrubing and you pay them 3-5% more for what? Maybe if you only bill $5000 a month 5% is nothing to worry about but people who do several hundred don't make any sense.