NoHassleSteve

Maybe Kerry's four months in Vietnam wouldn't be so much of an issue if he didn't talk about it more than the 35 years of his life since.

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You approve of slander and libel? You think the adult industry should support libel and slander?

Would you have any problem with someone going on TV and claiming they were a police officer in your town who saw you murder a child?

Don't try to spin this for your hero, Bush.

The guys in the ad are lying about who they are and if you were Kerry you would sue them too.

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The Truth Hurts

if I were Kerry, I'd shoot myself.... after all.. he does have a lot of experience with self inflicted wounds : )

rambler

The Truth Hurts: Why does the truth hurt you so much?

Webby

This is what must make "America" great - the idiots who have a mouth and no brain...

Webby

rambler:

Just think about the motivation for that handle... it's called a mental disorder

The Truth Hurts

The truth doesn't bother me in the least..
it's you fucking morons that wouldn't know the truth if it crawled up your ass and started breakdancing that cause me pain.

Webby

rambler:

See what I mean?

The handle was generated out of the brain of a "superior" being who has the desire to educate and clarify a "version" of some "truth" :-)

Webby

PS.. Some call it arrogance...

The Truth Hurts

Actually, the handle was generated while listening to Addictive by Truth Hurts...

theking

Your statements are incorrectly made. All of the people in the ad...except for one I think (the medical officer)...served with Senator Kerry. They did not serve under Senator Kerry but served with Senator Kerry in Coastal Division Eleven...on other boats in the Division or possibly some may have served in another capacity within the Division. Those that served on the boats...were barracked with Senator Kerry...and their boats would have served side by side of Senator Kerry's boat on some...if not all of the missions...that Senator Kerry's boat went on. Bottom line they would have personally known...or known of...Senator Kerry and the missions that he went on. They would have had their own opinion of Senator Kerry and their opinion of the actions that he took on a mission that they either participated in or heard about. They are entitled to their opinions of any individual and/or actions taken by any individual...in this case their opinion involves Senator Kerry.


Their opinions are of little import...as Senator Kerry's military record stands...as is...as officially recorded by the Navy.
His purple hearts...and other medals the Navy awarded him with... are veted at several different levels within the chain of command. The decision was made at the higher levels that the recommendations for the medals were valid...thus he was awarded the medals. What any single individual...or group of individuals offer as their opinion about the decisions made by the Navy is far above their pay grades...and should be of no import to anyone.

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ronbotx

All right you little dipshit, I'd be happy to respond to you and the rest of the fucktards.

First point is just because you and the rest of the Kerry lovers say the book and the advertisement are trash doesn't make it so. Same for the DNC, CNN, Move-on.org, Michael Moore or your other information sources.

I'm originally from Massachesetts and have seen both O'Neill and Kerry in multiple debates in the 70's and I'm quite familar with both. I remember Kerry's trashing of Vietnam vets, the accusation of atrocities (which were never proven or verified), his admission of HIS OWN atrocities, tossing of metals, and his wonderful anti-war book which he is trying to hide now as well:

http://images.radcity.net/3153/578532.jpg

O'Neill is a veteran, and in fact served as replacement commander on the same boat as Kerry , except he served for a full year instead of bugging out early (4 months). So he has a rather direct connection to the story and the people involved.

To summarize and simplify the debate for you left wing morons; what you have is most of the guys( except 1) who served under Kerry saying he is a good guy. The boat has a six man crew. The SwiftVets are his fellow officers and enlisted men on the other boats in Coastal Division 11(Kerry's unit) are the ones questioning Kerry's action. Many of the missions were 2-4 boats so these guys are in a position to see Kerry up close and personal. What was even more damning is that Rear Admiral Roy Hoffman, who was in charge of all the Swift Boats and other Naval units in the area is a member of this group and would have not granted Kerry the Silver Star if all the facts were known at that time. The medal was awarded within two days without the normal review.


The facts, accusations, details are all in the book. Multiple Naval officers and enlisted men specify events, dates and times. Without actually reading the book(#1 on Amazon w/o even being released) then how can you (digi-asshole) immediately dismiss it , unless you are a biased, close-minded, left-wing, jackass...... which like so many here, you undoubtably are. I'll read the book, wait for the rebuttals, and then make an informed decision. There is going to be a lot of debate on this subject.

http://drudgereport.com/ufd1.htm
http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesui...unfit_pdf.html
http://www.swiftvets.com (Currently under DDOS attacks from all you free-speech lovers)

An amusing Kerry site
http://www.wrko.com/listingsEntry.asp?ID=177492&PT=

theking

ronbotx

"a biased, close-minded, left-wing, jackass"...let me elaborate upon your statement. dig420 is an ultra biased, ultra closed-minded...ultra left-wing, pothead jackass.

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Webby

Oh fuck.. We got GFY's military authority helping out

Still wearing that perverse sig that says a lot Pathfinder?

Mr.Fiction

You have to be the most hypocritical poster in GFY history.

You are against Kerry saying that some people may have commited atrocities in Vietnam, which is a fact, but you support people accusing Kerry of atrocities in Vietnam, which is a lie.

How do you keep your lies and distortions straight?

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theking

You have on multiple occasions called for the assination of the President of the United States of America and have even volunteered to be the assasin. You bash the United States of America almost daily...and virtually the entireity of its policies...domestic or other wise...and much of its very history. You are a recorded enemy of the United States of America...thus my enemy.

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rambler

He's a republican thats how

rambler

Wow I read the pathfinder-death thread and now it all makes sense... he's a republican

theking

"Wow"...you are fucking...terribly misinformed...on both counts...kid.

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ronbotx

You have the perfect GFY name, all the BS you spew is F I C T I O N. Kerry has trashed Vietnam Vets and admitted to atrocities during his anti-war days with Vietnam Vets against the War. Those are the facts jackoff. Do your homework idiot!

And no Swift vets are accusing him of atrocities, but saying his actions are questionable, some of his military record fabricated, he did not deserve the Silver Star he received, and he is UNFIT for Command and the presidency.

Funny how all the lefties get so upset if someone other than Bush is getting bashed.


"I committed the same kinds of atrocities as thousands of others, including shooting in free-fire zones, search-and-destroy missions, and burning villages." John Kerry

ronbotx

Thank you, "theking" for the clarification......
Seems to be an epidemic around here

rambler

oh yeah that's right ... you're really a liberal

theking

Wrong again kid.

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Mr.Fiction

So have you!

Just so we are all clear on your motivation:

You are trashing Vietnam Vets because you are against the trashing of Vietnam Vets!

Keep it up, you just keep digging yourself in deeper.

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rambler

I've been a lurker here for a while now and I have to give The King credit, no matter how many times he gets owned by Mr Fiction and many others, he still keeps on blindly spewing his senile crap just like a Timex (takes a licken and keeps on ticken)

This ones for you GRAMPS!

theking

I have never been "owned" kid...as all I post is fact...or my opinion...thus it is impossible to be "owned"...what ever the fuck that is supposed to mean to the juvenile mind. As for Mr Fiction he is like the "strawman" and needs to visit the Wizard...and the same action could only be an improvement for you.

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Centurion

You were owned as Pathfinder big time, which is why you faked your "death" and logged in 6 days after Pathfinder "died" to try and continue to post your idiotic views. All of the "big boys" on this board know this to be true, no matter how many times you will deny it.

But once and idiot..always an idiot, no matter how many alias's you use!

As a wino & drug addict you do serve one purpose quite well on this board as the "court jester"..or more comonly known in medieval times,, "The Idiot!"

theking

Wrong on all counts...but since you cannot comprehend virtually anything at all...it is understandable.

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Hank_Heartland

Sure is funny how no one had a problem with Kerry's record until after the convention

Where has this book been for the pass 30 years

Where has these TX vet bashers been for the pass 30 yrs

Hell of a way to serve the country and represent the country

I thought the last election year was bad with a stolen election but this one will be 10 times worse with you Bush folks

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The Truth Hurts

Sure is funny how no one had a problem with the electoral process before Gore lost.

I thought the last four years of whining and bitching were bad, yet nobody from the left has stepped up asking for a change, and the changes offered (electronic voting machines) by the right are all automatically being dismissed by the tinfoil hat crowd.

dig420

you get owned every time you post, you senile old drunk. You're just too Republican to know it.

Take another Vicodin and STFU

dig420

hey Dipshit, he didn't command that boat until two months AFTER Kerry left Vietnam. As in 60 days.

Keep trying to defend the indefensible. The idiot style is working for you.

Why don't all you morons admire McCain instead? You deliberately have to pick the dumbest person from the 'stupid party' to throw your allegiance to?

The Truth Hurts

When Bush is Re-elected, I hope GFY gets split in half... cause you left wing wackos are barely tolerable as it is... I can't imagine what it'll be like here come November 3rd.

dig420

you support a proven liar who's wasted american lives and billions of our dollars AND made the rest of the world hate us AND wants to throw us all in jail to boot; and we're the wackos.

Nice world you live in. I don't think I'd want to visit though.

The Truth Hurts

here's a clue.... the rest of the world always hated us, and always will...
Bush just made them all stand up and be counted.

dig420

the rest of the world always hated us?

like I said, you conservatives live in a very scary world. Too bad for you.

Centurion

I think you have mistaken your childhood for how the world has always viewed the United States.

BustIt

You know when you've come across a thread with more insult than argument, that liberals have dominated the posting.

1) McCain's comment was dishonorable itself, because he had no way of knowing that the men were being *dishonest.* They knew Kerry better than he did.

2) The fact or allegation that someone paid for that ad proves nothing, Moore's *crockumentary* was funded (527), and was in effect a big anti-Bush ad--not to mention bullshit.

The book is coming out August 15th *Unfit for Command*

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/boo...-2004+18:19:26


*Michael Moore is A Big Fat Stupid White Man*
http://www.nrbookservice.com/bookpage.asp?prod_cd=c6494


*American Soldier* with Gen Tommy Franks

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...books&n=507846



Admit it, you guys are excited about Kerry simply because of the $7.00 minimum wage

DavidVH

they both suck get over it

DarkBob

ronbotx

NOT: http://drudgereport.com/dnc89.htm

http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesui...unfit_aff.html

http://swift1.he.net/~swiftvet/index.php

dig420

well we know that none of those guys served with Kerry. We know that O'Neill has been a Kerry hit man ever since Nixon recruited him as a hatchet man. We know that everyone who served with Kerry save one said he was a great man and a great commander, and the one who doesn't like him said he was fit for command anyway.

What would it take to discredit this group in your little conservative mind? They have to get caught running a child porn ring or something?

This is the kind of thing that makes liberals think conservatives are just... well... stupid people. You're willing to believe anything if it suits the view you already had. Which was a stupid viewpoint to begin with.

Throw the Jew down the well!

DarkBob

but which one do you want appointing supreme court justices?

boobmaster

I wish someone would put a fucking muzzle on you. You talk STUPID FUCKING SHIT 99% of the time.

Tom_PMs

It's just impossible to believe that people think this is a real story and not political propoganda.

This is the same group that tried to discredit Mccains service in vietnam. One of them already has called it a horrible mistake already.

When a group used a hitler reference on behalf of the democrats, kerry renounced it and asked for it to stop being played.
All the republicans have done about this is say they dont question kerry's record...

Just use common sense on this one.

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rambler

Funny I was gonna say the the same thing about you,Booby.

Can you tell me more stories from your sacred book; I need a laugh( I have had a long boring day)

BustIt

They won't question his Vietnam record. They do and should question his ultra-liberal 20-year voting record, where he was often alone and voted against even by his fellow Democrats.

BustIt

Clarence Thomas was the dissenting voice required to defeat the latest attempt at COPA.

And he is a Republican appointed by Reagan.

titmowse

us atrocities in vietnam happened. you need some homework

Killing Civilians.

Powell still has no compunction about killing civilians during war. The lefty media watchdog Fairness & Accuracy In Media points out that in his 1995 autobiography, My American Journey: An Autobiography (New York: Random House, 1995), Powell wrote:

"If a helo [helicopter] spotted a peasant in black pajamas who looked remotely suspicious, a possible MAM [military-aged male], the pilot would circle and fire in front of him. If he moved, his movement was judged evidence of hostile intent, and the next burst was not in front, but at him. Brutal? Maybe so. But an able battalion commander with whom I had served at Gelnhausen, Lt. Col. Walter Pritchard, was killed by enemy sniper fire while observing MAMs from a helicopter. And Pritchard was only one of many. The kill-or-be-killed nature of combat tends to dull fine perceptions of right and wrong."

In his memoirs, Powell also defends the torching of civilians' huts, a tactic his unit constantly employed in Vietnam.

link

oh and:

My Lai

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BustIt

No 1 on Amazon! hee hee

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...192755-3901757