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Old 08-05-2004, 12:05 PM   #1
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Why are there no good adult games?

When you look at the most downloaded games on abandonware sites, one genre always sticks out: adult games. Adult-themed games like Knights of Xentar, Cobra Mission, Leisure Suit Larry, Three Sisters Story are still favorites among the software stealing community, despite their predictable stories, outdated features and sucky gameplay.
And that isn't really surprising. After all, the people who grew up with computer games are now (young) adults with interests in both porn and computer games.

This raises an interesting question: why are there still virtually no decent adult-themed games being produced?

Now, there are adult games being produced. Tons of them even, mostly in Japan, but they're popular in the west as well. The problem with these games is that most of them suck, and that the vast majority are completely the same.

Here's a short overview of the adult game types that exist right now to give :


# Japanese dating sim/adventure games

These games mostly consist of a story illustrated with hentai pictures. They're all basically about a guy (you) who dates/fucks a bunch of stereotypical hentai girls (sporty girl, geek girl, innocent girl, wild girl, busty teacher, etc) and maybe solves a small mystery on the side.
A few exceptions aside, they're almost completely linear, possibly containing a few branches in the story which determine which girl you'll end up with. "Playing" these games pretty much comes down to clicking your mouse a few thousand times to make the story scroll by.
Even worse, since most of these games are made in Japan, they deal with the basic Japanese fetishes. So, by the time you finish a game like this, in the story you will probably have raped your sister, violently deflourished half a dozen schoolgirls, covered every girl in the game with a few gallons of cum, and with a bit of luck you'll also have had your daily watersports/enemas/scat fix.

There are some notable exceptions though, which stick out among the muck for one reason or another:
True Love - a dating sim where your daily activities determine what type of girl you will end up with. Sounds bad, but is a relief after tons of other hentai games.
Seasons of Sakura - a dating sim with a better story than most others, as well as a complete lack of rape.

There are some others that escape the drab, but they are few and far between.


# Adult RPG

There are only 4 games in this genre that have been translated into English that I know of: Knights of Xentar, Cobra Mission, Mad Paradox and Brave Soul.
They are a bit like the early Final Fantasy titles, but with worse gameplay and gratuitious nudity thrown in. Knights of Xentar would be worth a try for those interested, had it not been for the game needing pure DOS to run.


# Strip poker/blackjack/tetris/arkanoid/etc

There are quite a few games out there in which you play a game of skill or luck and where the reward consists of nude pictures. Since these games are fairly small and easy to make and are very suitable for Flash, you can find them on quite a few sites. While they can be fun, and are most definitely assets on your sites, there's not a lot of potential for growth in them.


# Interative porn DVDs

These are pretty much what you would expect: (somewhat) interactive porn DVDs. Some are pretty nice, but actually calling them games would be a bit of a stretch.


# Sex simulators

Games like these - some examples of this genre are Virtual Valerie and Ultravixen - let you choose what to do while having sex with a virtual girl. Lacking a real goal, challenge, actual gameplay and a story, these can hardly be considered real games. They may be entertaining at times, but real games they are not.


# Other games

And then there are games that don't really fit into any of the above genres. Some examples:

Sexy Beach 2 - Admittedly, a dating sim, but surprisingly, it's in 3D. Not quite as good as it sounds, this game is a bit like DOA: Extreme Volleyball without the volleyball. In other words, boring. You get to watch polygonal girls getting nude on the beach, basically. They look pretty good, but since the game has no storyline or gameplay whatsoever, it gets really old really fast. Still, at least it's something new.

Battle Raper - Like the name suggests, this is a bit like Mortal Combat or Tekken, only instead of killing your opponent after beating her, you get to rape her. I shit you not. In fact, they even cry while you rape them. Nonetheless, apart from demonstrating that there is no hope left for humanity, the gameplay is bad and the genre isn't really suitable for adult games.

WET The Sexy Empire - An ambitious mix between adventure and strategy, this game lets you build up your own porn empire. While building up a porn empire may seem like fun (after all, isn't that why we chose this profession?), WET doesn't just do a bad job at describing it, it also is excruciatingly boring.


Recently, games like BMX XXX and DOA: Extreme Volleyball have begun mixing action with (semi-)nudity. A new Leisure Suit Larry - this time in 3D - will come out this fall. Also, games with adult themes like GTA and Fallout 2 have been around - and popular - for quite a while already. While games like these do prove that there is definitely an interest in such themes among gamers, chances of mainstream production companies actually including explicit sexual content are very slim at best.


Obviously, that isn't a comprehensive list of what's out there, but it gives a fairly decent idea of it. There are quite a few adult-themed games, but very few deliver something even close to enjoyable gaming. For the largest part, adult games are dominated by japanese dating sim games, and the western games that exist are mostly limited to strip poker-like games and interactive porn dvds (as well as a few sex simulation games that are best forgotten as quickly as possible).
The ones that do feature high quality gaming, on the other hand, do not feature explicit sex.

What seems to be almost completely absent are games that are actually playable (instead of just clickable), have decent gameplay, decent porn and (perhaps?) even something remotely like replay value. Since even the bad games that exist now are still quite popular one would think that there is a good amount of space in the market for games that actually bring some quality into the genre.



Ofcourse, there is one big barrier for aspiring adult gamemakers: the costs of producing a game. These can be quite high, depending on the type of game you're making. Naturally, 3D action games will cost lots more to produce than very basic RPG or adventure games. High quality adult 3D action games will probably stay out of reach of most of the porn industry for the next few years.
When it comes to RPG and adventure games though, costs don't really need to be an obstacle. Since the standard is pretty low (extremely low, to be a bit more accurate), the quality needed to surpass the competition isn't really all that much. In fact, most freeware games made by amateurs easily beat the entire adult genre when it comes to gameplay.

So, why isn't the western adult industry doing anything with this opportunity? Most parts of the adult market are already pretty close to saturation, but it seems like nobody is even interested in this whole area. Any ideas?
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Old 08-05-2004, 12:26 PM   #2
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Hmm. Guess there's the answer... adult webmasters aren't interested in anything to do with games. Ah well.
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Old 08-05-2004, 12:32 PM   #3
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Simply put, the time that would go into development simply isn't justified by the return.

When someone cuts something from their paysites, stories, audio and games are the first to go.

When someone adds something to their paysites, stories, audio and games are the last to be added.

If people would pay for them, someone would produce them.

Ask Doug at Xamo how much time would go into developing something like that and how much he would charge for a custom version just for you or how much he'd have to charge for a feed to make it worthwhile. Then see if you'd want to pay it.
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I just bought a game called 'Singles' that promises to be an adult version of the Sims but it won't work with my graphics card so I have to wait until I upgrade to let you know if it is any good.
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Simply put, the time that would go into development simply isn't justified by the return.

When someone cuts something from their paysites, stories, audio and games are the first to go.

When someone adds something to their paysites, stories, audio and games are the last to be added.

If people would pay for them, someone would produce them.

Ask Doug at Xamo how much time would go into developing something like that and how much he would charge for a custom version just for you or how much he'd have to charge for a feed to make it worthwhile. Then see if you'd want to pay it.
I'm not talking about feeds on paysites. I'm not talking about flash games. I'm talking about real, actual, playable games, not just "added content". Games that you sell as games, not as part of a paysite.

As for the "If people would pay for them, someone would produce them", it seems to me that it hasn't been really given a decent try yet in the west. On the other hand, in Japan it's a pretty big industry.
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Old 08-05-2004, 12:47 PM   #6
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I just bought a game called 'Singles' that promises to be an adult version of the Sims but it won't work with my graphics card so I have to wait until I upgrade to let you know if it is any good.
Ah, yes, forgot about that one. The fact that it won't work with your graphics card is a telltale sign already, but apart from that, they've chosen the wrong genre and added way too little explicit stuff. The Sims and games like that are most popular with young women/girls, a group that isn't exactly a huge target audience for the porn industry - especially not when it comes to buying adult stuff in real life.
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you have ideeas but are they money makers?
few people asked me why I don't develop RPG games...
it takes way more time to make a RPG game than an arcade or casino game and trust me: the target is not interrested...
I myself prefer playing a good rpg than blackjack, sextris, nibbles but are you wondering what paysite members like? most of them aree not the brightest persons you know...
they rather play a game they know than learn how to play a new game..
for example my best sellers are blackjack, poker and xxxman...

just my
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Ah, yes, forgot about that one. The fact that it won't work with your graphics card is a telltale sign already, but apart from that, they've chosen the wrong genre and added way too little explicit stuff. The Sims and games like that are most popular with young women/girls, a group that isn't exactly a huge target audience for the porn industry - especially not when it comes to buying adult stuff in real life.
well, it is a sign that my graphics card is mega old and I need a new one. I am a woman (duh..lol) but I also know that I am more open to smut than most.
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you have ideeas but are they money makers?
few people asked me why I don't develop RPG games...
it takes way more time to make a RPG game than an arcade or casino game and trust me: the target is not interrested...
I myself prefer playing a good rpg than blackjack, sextris, nibbles but are you wondering what paysite members like? most of them aree not the brightest persons you know...
they rather play a game they know than learn how to play a new game..
for example my best sellers are blackjack, poker and xxxman...

just my
I'm NOT talking about paysite members. I'm talking about the people who download crappy old adult games from abandonware sites, the kind of people who buy japanese hentai games badly patched to english, etc.

Obviously, paysite members are an entirely different audience.

But are there people interested in stuff like this? Take a look at this crappy flash dating sim on newgrounds: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view.php?id=144166
Over 8 million views, over 60000 votes, #8 on the site for popularity, etc.

As for RPG games taking more time to make than strip poker and such... Ofcourse. It's an entirely different thing. An RPG is something you would sell as a stand-alone product, while strip poker, strip tetris, strip arkanoid, etc are just possible things added for fun.
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now I had to get in on this thread. ;)

we've been the largest adult game provider around for about five years, and I developed most of our games

our stuff is all shockwave, which gives us more gaming options than flash

Ronaldo's right, the amount of resources that normally go into creating a game for the store shelves can be in the six or even seven figure range - and the paysite market just isn't the right place to sell that kind of game and expect to get a return

I've got a few games on the back burner, one of them is an adult oriented 3d mario brothers / overhead scrolling (rpg style engine) game. If anyone has some ideas / wants to team up with me to market this game or our arcade style games as a stand alone product let me know - I can create an executable windows game for shareware download / mail out on cds.
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leisure suit larry made lots of money and still is.

whoever says there is no money in the adult game market is simply not smart.

good thread
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Leisure Suit Larry is actually very good ... well when it went out
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and as far as develop costsd, look, if fucking kids and programmers can make full on time portal tile sets and 10+ levels for zelda emulators, dont tell me some dedicated ex activision employees cant do some silly games.

i am interested in this shit.

no one needs a fucking 3D world of porn tales, simple 8 bit NES can teach you people a world of things.

http://www.zeldaclassic.com

download this engine and download a few "custom quests" and youll see what i mean
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now I had to get in on this thread. ;)

we've been the largest adult game provider around for about five years, and I developed most of our games

our stuff is all shockwave, which gives us more gaming options than flash

Ronaldo's right, the amount of resources that normally go into creating a game for the store shelves can be in the six or even seven figure range - and the paysite market just isn't the right place to sell that kind of game and expect to get a return

I've got a few games on the back burner, one of them is an adult oriented 3d mario brothers / overhead scrolling (rpg style engine) game. If anyone has some ideas / wants to team up with me to market this game or our arcade style games as a stand alone product let me know - I can create an executable windows game for shareware download / mail out on cds.

Creating a mainstream game indeed costs millions. However, the competition in this genre isn't mainstream games. You don't have to compete with Doom 3, you have to compete with Do You Like Horny Bunnies?, May Club, Nocturnal Illusions, Brave Soul, and more of that kind.


Btw, a mario-like game doesn't work for the genre... playing action games doesn't combine too well with jacking off ;)
A slow-paced rpg/adventure (or maybe something like True Love) works best.


Oh, for all those still doubting if there is any interest, take a look at this toplist of downloads on a popular abandonware site:
http://www.bhlegend.com/php/show.php...orderkind=DESC
That's tens of thousands of people downloading crappy games from over a decade ago, just because there's some pixelated pussy in them.
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and as far as develop costsd, look, if fucking kids and programmers can make full on time portal tile sets and 10+ levels for zelda emulators, dont tell me some dedicated ex activision employees cant do some silly games.

i am interested in this shit.

no one needs a fucking 3D world of porn tales, simple 8 bit NES can teach you people a world of things.

http://www.zeldaclassic.com

download this engine and download a few "custom quests" and youll see what i mean
True, that. In a simple engine like RPG Maker 95 you already have more than enough options to create something better than most of the stuff out there, and making the actual games doesn't take all that long.
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True, that. In a simple engine like RPG Maker 95 you already have more than enough options to create something better than most of the stuff out there, and making the actual games doesn't take all that long.
punkworld, it takes minds like ours to do this shit, why dont you hit me an email and lets talk about this off board, i am interested in what you and i could do possibly by utilizing our combined knowledge and trades or skills. hit me fletch @ fletchxxx dot com

on my way out for a bit but hit me. i got a few questions for you.
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@punkworld: "...among the software stealing community...",
As you're talking abandonwarez I wouldn't call it stealing as abandonware may be freely distributed as far as I'm concerned.

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Creating a mainstream game indeed costs millions. However, the competition in this genre isn't mainstream games. You don't have to compete with Doom 3, you have to compete with Do You Like Horny Bunnies?, May Club, Nocturnal Illusions, Brave Soul, and more of that kind.


Btw, a mario-like game doesn't work for the genre... playing action games doesn't combine too well with jacking off ;)
A slow-paced rpg/adventure (or maybe something like True Love) works best.
A slow-paced rpg/adventure game actually would be doable with few resources. A good storyline, a good graphic guy and a script kid will do the trick as the old engines used for the old sierra-on-line rpgs (Leisure Suit Larry series) and the Lucas Art engine (Monkey Island series) are public available with gui development tools which make the actual gameplay programming peanuts.

I've experience working with these tools, if anyone has some questions or wants some more info, feel free to ask.
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I've experience working with these tools, if anyone has some questions or wants some more info, feel free to ask.
what would be the easiest way to do a RPG style slideshow type of "what do you do?" scenario, and from scene to scene you advance?

appreciate it
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well don't forget the new Playboy Mansion PC sim game this fall. w/ celebs like Carmen Electra and all the bunnies.
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/...s_2901485.html

it's about time someone monetized the idea.
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Fletch,

drop me an email : admin[at]adult-god.com and I'll get you some more info and links.
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i still have my Knights of Xentar mousepad that came with the game


I'm with Punkworld on this one....the world is ready for a GREAT adult game.
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@punkworld: "...among the software stealing community...",
As you're talking abandonwarez I wouldn't call it stealing as abandonware may be freely distributed as far as I'm concerned.
Most that offer adult games also distribute bishoujo games that are still being distributed by Jast USA.
Besides, even though I myself am definitely in favor of distributing real abandonware, it's still kinda illegal.

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A slow-paced rpg/adventure game actually would be doable with few resources. A good storyline, a good graphic guy and a script kid will do the trick as the old engines used for the old sierra-on-line rpgs (Leisure Suit Larry series) and the Lucas Art engine (Monkey Island series) are public available with gui development tools which make the actual gameplay programming peanuts.

I've experience working with these tools, if anyone has some questions or wants some more info, feel free to ask.
I completely agree with that... the amount of work/money involved is way less than most people seem to think. There are tons of adventure game engines that can be used (for free even), so the main things that need to be done are the story, the graphics, sound and some scripting.
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Cool thread.

Question: How many adult games have you PAID for?
This will answer the question if it's a viable project.

So many games gets cracked and exchanged on P2P...

I could do a 'not too crappy' adult game if anyone is willing to fund the development. I've done 3D games before. I stopped when I almost got bankrupt on my third game... Now I'm only working on it part time.

A really cool game would be with stereo goggles and a glove (on the hand you won't be using ).
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did you write that whole thing?


damn... you got wayyy too much time on your hands
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http://www.lovechess.nl/

This site may be of interest.

It's basically a chess game where the pieces fuck...

Have thought about doing my own games for a while, but I don't have nothing definite or workable, just a couple of very weird concepts... post apocaliptic tentacle cyborg women anyone?
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Old 08-09-2004, 12:57 PM   #28
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Cause games was made mostly for kids.
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Old 08-09-2004, 01:01 PM   #29
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I agree thought ... this coule be a really good money maker
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