Mike_001

If you want to get listed you need to have a password and you cannot use a freehost anymore. And you still have to use a recip and a sponsorbutton...

What do you think of these rules? Personally I think this is crazy...

MrCockTale

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there are just too many stupid fucks making gallereis now days.. There has to be a way to screet out some of the trash, and get a normal flow of quality submiters. This is one way of doing it. Fred at superchicken is a smart guy, he knows what he's doin and it seems to be the way many of the big boys are doing things now..

What you need is a boneprone pass. A pass to post with these guys.. Ill sell you one for 300.00

Send me a check and your registration will be in the mail.

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I somewhat agree with super chicken. I thought about passwording my submissions,,but my script throws the galleries right onto the page, I at least want to see what the content is like ..
You have to remember TGP's are like property, the owner says what "goes" (within the legal limits of course) If you dont like it...go submit elsewhere. There isnt a shortage on tgp's these days. Also the cheaters list grows leaps and bounds daily as well.

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Theo

boneprone do you accept credit cards? :-)

I have posted several galleries on superchicken the last two months, with their recip and other recip from heavy traffic tgps. I never got listed, because I don't used their advert. banner. I had signed up with their....liquid magic filter but after I read the terms of use of the affiliate program I didn't use it because I believed that theren't many changes to comply with them and get paid. If I remember well your revenues will remain active for two months, if you don't have reached the minimum amount to get paid you won't. I'll take a look now on it again and post a more accurate info.

Theo

they have changed the stats page and i can't find the terms of use.Anyone that uses them?

wolfshade

I said it on my board, and I'll repeat it here:

It will be fun to watch the chicken bleed to death.

On a good day he only sends 1k to a gallery that doesn't warrant the extra sponsor and it certainly doesn't warrant this action.

To top it of this hypocrite doesn't allow freehosts, but to make enough movie submission he accepts them for that.

So my conclusion is the Fred from Superchicken is nothing more then a fucking bandwith leech and no more,

And because of that I say to hell with the chicken, there are FAR better TGP's outthere, who don't mak eyou jump through hoops like that.

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Exxxotica

The only way the new rules affect me...is that it will be much easier for my to get a listing on his site. Being that I pay for my own hosting.

tom

paying for hosting is ok - paying for tgp traffic is way too expensive - just my very personal op

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Henrik

I like his "no free hosts" rule, since I also use a non-free host. But his other rules are crazy. I can think of at least 10-20 other tgp sites that sends as much traffic and they only require a recip and a decent quality gallery. Just my two cents

MagicMan

Hi Everyone,

First of all I am the review master at Superchicken.com and I am not going to get into a pissing match with anyone but I do want to respond to a couple of things.

First of all we have implemented the changes at superchicken.com for all you webmasters ;O)
And you know who you are. You are the ones that are out here to make a living or part of your living tgping. We were getting almost 1000 submissions per day, Of which the ONLY problems that we have had have been on free hosts. This change is in line with what a lot of the larger tgps are going to. If our reviewers have to spend hours reviewing pure crap or galleries that get changed or redirected after posting which may in turn may keep a serious webmaster's gallery from getting listed. That is what we want to avoid. Better quailty galleries means more traffic and better quailty traffic which overall will make YOU more $$

As far as our list of rules i feel that one sponsor link per 5 thumbs is more than fair and yes we capped it at a total of 4 out going links maximum on galleries with 20 or more thumbs. The reason we left free hosts there for movie galleries is that all of you may know movie galleries can kill you on bandwith so we have tried to be fair.

So in a nutshell the only people that we could imagine being pissed are the ones that were trying to screw around anyway ;O))
I don't mean that toward anyone at all. But what i am saying is we want to be as fair to the webmasters as we are to ourselves

Thanks for your time

MagicMan

Westin

Hey MagicMan...

Let me be the first to welcome you to GFY.

Now, put your Crack Pipe down, and kindly "GO FUCK YOURSELF" !!!

Why do you think anyone would believe that you get 1000 submissions a day. Plus, even a top listing on your site only sends 1K a day (good call WolfShade, but you forgot to mention that they don't even clickthru, let along convert!)

I too, will enjoy watching the Chicken bleed

Westin

MattressKing

I'm sure he was exagerating on the 1k submissions. But I'm also sure that they get enough that these new rules won't hurt them as much as you think.

Gemini

So in a nutshell the only people that we could imagine being pissed are the ones that were trying to screw around anyway ;O))
I don't mean that toward anyone at all. But what i am saying is we want to be as fair to the webmasters as we are to ourselves

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We hadn't posted with you thankfully. We use freehosts and that comment would have really set us off. Since we do NOT play around with gals after they get posted...

Many of the large tgp's are going to put themselves out of business with their theatrics with the rules. No submitters, no tgp. Simple math and no trig required.


Just keep adding to em darlin'. Maybe RR will need a new reviewer soon.

SChicken

Everybody - thanks for the kind words. It fucking amazes me the shit people talk in this world about you but never to your face or better yet even in a email (so go fuck yourself) was the perfect place for you to tell me about my rules and how you hope I bleed to DEATH. My email address has never changed since the day I opened Superchicken.com almost 5 years ago. [email protected]

Since the new rules went into effect. I have not received 1 email (I repeat not 1 email about a Webmaster mad at the rules but instead happy that we switched to a system that makes more honest webmasters happy.

Please let me know how I can make everyone in this world happy or even a few more. I will be glad to adjust my rules. But you need tell me how I can.

Thanks for letting me have my say.


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why dont you believe he gets 1000 submissions a day? what the hell is so hard to believe about that? Super Chicken has been around a long time. Like i stated in my post before, the cheaters out there are getting rediculous. I have been struggling with a cure to this for about a week now. also everyone has their own rules, they own the fucking tgp, so if the rules are to piss yourself before each submission, i suggest you get a fucking tall drink before popping the submit button....GEEEEES. There are some awesome freehosts out there! but its the dumbasses that use them who change the galleries after submission. I know it fucking happens to my five tgp's all the time. I dont understand why people are giving webmasters a bunch of crap because of "rules" GET THE FUCK OVER IT... move on. I would love to be able to email the free hosts everytime one of there "hostees" cheat.. but what good would that do, they would just sign up under a different name. I have watched and admired Super Chicken from a distance and I admire the man. and this isnt an ass kissing session, because i dont trade traffic or submit there. But come on people be fair. thats my quarters worth as a webmistress plays in this biz.
ps, in the past i was a reviewer for jjj's, and i know he gets about 1000 a day.

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Gemini

Sorry Super Chicken. I didn't like feeling like the hubby and I were considered cheaters since we use freehosts. Not all of us are. We work hard to make sure our gals are clean. We check our sponsors for added popups and change them if they get stupid with consoles and we re-verify our gals each month to check for corrupted pics etc.

Thats alot of extra work but we want to have quality galleries for tgp's to use. EMail us and I can give you a listing of our pages that you could verify as being 100% clean. Or some of the tgp owners here can atteest to that as well. And all on freehosting.

The only changes we have ever made were fixes on the coding, banner swaps if some don't produce or a counter change. We hate consoles as much as you guys do and the cheaters in turn make *us* look bad too.

I guess it was a poor choice of wording up there that burnt me.

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Gem, you have awesome galleries Girl Friend!

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also weston,, why dont you get that error off your page.

Gemini

TY HTB! Much appreciated!

Fucker

If you got a problem with superchicken, dont fuckin submit your galleries there. And yes he does receive 1000 submissions per day. I have helped review galleries for Magic Man. I also review for a few other BIG tgps and each one does at least that.

Anyhow, I have my user/pass to submit so GO FUCK YOURSELVES!

boneprone

lol, I get about 300 submissions a day, and I dont even post other people's galleries anymore. I even got rid of the submission script. But fuck, somehow I still get from 200-400 submissions of these shity galleries everyfucking day. So 1000 isnt hard to believe. At least Fred at Superchicken has gallerey reviewers with him on his team.

HQ

bone, you were a tgp at one time?

gem, don't get pissed because SC says that the majority of cheaters were on free hosts! he wasn't calling all of you free host users cheaters! ...and of course the cheaters come on free hosts, if you are paying the bandwidth yourself, you are much less likely to cheat with your site/galleries/etc.

if i wanted to cheat, i'd do it on a free host to obtain anonymity! of course i don't cheat and i have my own host.

peace,
HQ

Gemini

HQ, its hard to cheat (as in anonymous)when you have your affiliate codes on the page eh? Not saying that alot of them don't. Seems like too many have the common sense of snails.

It wasn't it SC that made the comment either. And there wasn't a descriptive such as 'many' 'alot' or '50%' on the cheaters. It sounded more like ALL. And yes common sense says that I know that person didn't mean ALL. Or at least I hope not.

It doesn't really matter tho. We use freehosts, they don't accept so we don't post. I just hate being heaped into the garbage barrel unfairly. lol

wolfshade

Hmmm let's see:

Magicman and Chicken:

The rule to allow movies on freehosts is not to kill the webmaster with the bandwidth bill, but it's ok to kill the freehost? Talk about business ethics eh?

Only 4 sponsors on a gallery is that including the forced Liquid V sponsor, and since you claim all rules are there for us webmasters, how does forcing a sponsor program that doesn't convert down our throats help us? Or isn't it the thruth that it only helps to fill your wallet?

Why is it that a TGP like The Hun or Worldsex getting 100 times more hits then you does not have to resort to the crap you pull?

Let's get one thing clear I can accept a TGP not accepting freehosts for whatever reason, but not half(lets ban galleries but allow movies) that's hypocrite and leeching bandwidth no more no less and you should be ashamed of yourself for trying to defend it.

And for that matter stating that allowing freehost moviegalleries is to not kill the webmaster with the bandwidth bill is admitting that your traffic sucks and doesn't convert or am I reading you wrong here?

And last but not least mr chicken as I replied on the other thread you posted your message in I stopped emailing you a long time ago, since you do not respond anyway and I'm sure a lot of webmasters have a simular expreience with you.

Fact is that over the last two years I've seen you change your site almost daily and your rules too.

I think it's safe to asume that you are quite desperate to make money from your site and I do take your rules changes as an act of desperation.

Time will tell wether I'm right or wrong

I for one will not post a gallery to your TGP anymore not even if you paid me to do it!

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SChicken

Wolf,

I run several companies on and off the web.
I think of Superchicken like my son. I'm not a bad dad but instead a dad with values who likes to make it easier for webmasters who want to make money. You think by allowing free host for movie pages we are bad people.

Do me a favor make me one movie page with at least 5 movies on your server. Leave it up for 48 hours and I bet within the first 8 hours I can crash your sever that the movies are own. Movie pages get taken from my site and posted on other sites much more than tgp pages.

I do change my site often. Every change your underwear. ( wolf ) It's a good thing. You noticed so It means you've check back often and wanted to see what it looked like.



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wolfshade

First off I welcome this discussion I think that's a good thing. I mean I can dish out on matters I think are wrong but I also am man/wolf enough to admit the good things

But I'm sorry to say what you are stating holds no water in my opinion.

Let me raise just a few points:

Webservers are webservers no matter if they are freehost servers or paid host servers, so if you can crash my server with a movie page on it you would also do that to freehosts, so just allowing freehosts for movies is still hypocrite in my opinion, for a number of reasons:

1) I do not believe in half methods either you ban freehosts or you allow then. I seriously doubt though that you would get any movie posts if you didn't allow them on freehosts so I think my asumption from the former posts still stands.

2) You require a password now so you give submitting webmasters a certain "trusted" status so it shouldn't even matter wether they are on free or paid hosting. I think it's more a matter of more outgoing links on a gallery(headers and footers from the freehost) means less surfers click back to your TGP which means less chances of a sale.

3) Yes I've seen you change a lot and yes I agree change is a good thing but I've seen you change back to the old situation just as often so that tells me your experimenting, which in turn tells me you have no solid way of making that TGP work for you. You can run all the companies you like, hell you might be the next Bill Gates for all I care and make millions I still say that on that TGP you're loosing $$$ and that is the reason for the change in rules.

4) you state:
How does forcing your webmasters to use a sponsor that converts poorly and that's not just my experience but from more then 400!!! webmasters I asked about it, that's goo dthing of running one of the larger webmaster resources sites, you get a large webmaster base.

Why not allow the webmasters to make the money by using the sponsors of their choice not yours. You can't deny that's a money thing and only there to fill your pockets daddy!

The above are just points I make from A) my observations and B) your own remarks.

Now from a point of ethics and loyalty to your webmasters

On the other hand do you remember what started your TGP off? right! your slapping those sources in the face right now! And that's including all thos estarting webmasters that sent you goo dclean galleries but just don't have the $$$ yet for paid hosting because they have spent it on content TGP's like yours thrive upon. Your slapping them in the face too.

And last but now least I ask again how come MUCH larger TGP's then yours like The Hun and Worldsex don't have to make the webmasters jump through hoops like you do.

I think it's save to asume they have the marketing for their sites under control and you don't.

Just my observation, if I"m wrong please do enlighten me.

I'm not so thickheaded that I"m not open to listen to another point of view, but nobody will ever accuse me of being subtile or diplomatic either I call em as I see em and think that's a good thing.

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Warphead

Magicman - it's awfully hard to believe you've never had a guy using paid hosting try to screw the chicken? I'm running a small TGP, getting around 300 submits a day - and I see them all the time.

I'm not arguing about your policy, lots of TGP's are getting fed up with freehosts, I'm just saying a domain blacklist of zero is pretty far-fetched.

MatressKing, 1000 submits a day isn't hard to believe for SC - I'm getting around 300 a day and my traffic isn't 10% of theirs.

As for the whole debate, I do think getting listed at SC is more trouble than it's worth - so I don't submit there.

So SC's policy works, he's weeding out some cheaters and some lazy people (me) and it benefits those webmasters that are loyal.

I do see WolfShades points too, though. I think requiring a guy who's providing you content to sell your products is asking alot. But SuperChicken belongs to SuperChicken.



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wolfshade

Warphead,

A few comments if I may:

It's not so much the required liquidv button I object to, it's pretending that it's all being done for the goo dof the webmasters that bugs me.

I'm a real straight up black and white kinda guy and I say

I you are going to ban freehosts on your TGP do it 100% not only for pic galleries but allow them for movies that's hypocrite.

If you require a sponsor of your choice to accept a gallery fine, but be honest and admit it's to make you more $$$.

It's about say what you mean and mean what you say.

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Warphead

Point taken, Wolfshade. I do believe things like that matter.

There's no doubt that plenty of guys making good galleries will skip places that take more than they give, which will lower the quality of the list when compared to places where everyone can submit. There's a tradeoff there.

Rob Roy

I have to admit that I find these discussions baffling. I used to submit to SC from time to time -- and never got listed, so I quit submitting. Obviously SC didn't suffer from the loss of my submissions, and I haven't suffered from not being listed. There are LOTS of other submitters out there, and LOTS of other TGPs -- not to mention lots of other ways of getting traffic. If it makes business sense for me to include a TGPs own sponsor button on my galleries, then I'll do it. If it doesn't, and if that's one of the rules, then I won't bother submitting. No hard feelings. Just business.

wolfshade

Rob Roy,

I can see your point I realy do, but I do not agree 100%

I see it like this:

When established sites like Superchicken start doing things like this, that might be taken as a signal to a lot of up and comming TGP's that were basically good to follow his lead, and that in turn is simply bad for business.

In that regard I think it is very important to discuss it like is happening here on the popular boards.

Not only does it give the webmasters using the services of a TGP the chance to show how they feel, it enables us to communicate with the TGP owners publicly, and with that provide grounds to observe the different points of view.

I think it's important to all webmasters, but specialy the starting webmasters.

On a personal note:

I allready stated that it's not so much the rules I object to as to the bogus explaination that it's for the greater good.

I appreciate it in a webmaster when he's upfront and tells it like it is.

This particular change is about money nothing more, it's not for the greater good for the submitting webmaster, it's for the greater good of the chicken's wallet, which would be fine with me if he would just be honest about that and not try to feed me a bogus cock and bull story about that this would be better for all webmasters submitting, because it's not.

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basschick

hi fred. a long time ago, i used to post 10 pic galleries at superchicken. you posted them all. then you said i needed more pics, so i added a couple. no prob.

then you required a sponsor link to some big penis program as well as your link. i complied. you never posted me again.

i emailed you. you said it was an oversight and to post again. but my galleries have never been seen on superchicken since.

i understand that us little people aren't essential to the running of your tgp. still, random posting and favoritism have probably hurt sc more than you know... there are an awful lot of us little webmasters out here.

wiZd0m

Thats right Wolfshade, you are the right person to talk about ethics around here, while you fuck the surfers up the ass with your dialer, yep, keep preaching your ethics

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wolfshade

Hey wizdom how am I fucking the surfers?

Joe Surfer comes to my site
Joe surfer downloads my dialer
The first thing Joe Surfer sees on install is a screen that says in BIG BOLD FONT that it costs $ 6.99 a minute and he has to accept it in order to continue the install.

So please explain to me how am I fucking my surfers?

Or am I responsible now for all the people who just don't want to read?

I merely offer it bro. I don't make them use it.

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MattressKing

serves those dirty bastards right!!!

Oh well, I don't care, if 20 dollars a minute meant 5 cents in my pocket, my dialers will still be up because I'm an ethical webmaster as well

wolfshade

Wizdom that's bullshit and you know it.

It comes down to ho wthe thing is advertised and on my dialers the surfer is warned very well. He/she knows the consequences of using it, so honestly the whole remark you made has

1) Nothing to do with this thread
2) Is not even acurate, but then I gues you don't use dialers so you are not in a position to judge on that topic either.

In other words I believe your sole intention was to fuel the thread up and stir a little shit.

And that won't work on a shit stirrer like me

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Platinum Dave

If I was getting 1000 submissions a day and only could list 100 or so I would surely add stiffer rules to weed out the garbage.

Guys, just follow the rules you will still get listed. You think mantaining a successful TGP is easy.

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wolfshade

Dave I run a few TGP's myself

I get about 300 submissions per TGP and that's a bitch to maintain.

So I certainly understand where they are comming from.

However I strongly believe what TGP's Like sublime, Chicken etc... are doing is not the way to go.

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Westin

hey wolfshade...

usally I agree with you on alot of things... but not this one.

How can you compair SublimeDirectory with Super Chicken??

The Chicken can't send shit! maybe a 1000 hits and only a handful of clickthrus.

Sublime can send upwards of 30-40K a day... and convert!!! HAHAHA I will go on Record saying the Sublime is one of the best converting TGP's, right after Hun.

My point. If a TGP like Hun, Sublime, Worldsex want to make almost impossible rules, let them... but when smaller, bandwidth burners like Chicken do it, it's retarded!!

No offence to the Hun or Sublime meant to the post. (you both ROCK) but if they said that in order to get listed I'd have to
1)put a recip.
2)put a link to their sponsor.
3)put at min # of pics,no free hosts all that shit.
4)jump thru 4 hoops of fire while on fire, at the exact time I hit the submit button.

I would... cuz it's well worth it.

Westin

wolfshade

Well sublime did send good hits, for me their conversion is average but I gues that varies per site.

But my remarks are not about how big or small a TGP is those rules are to much no matter how large the TGP.

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