Why do they need sales reps? - GoFuckYourself.com

slapass · 07-29-2004, 03:28 PM

My biggest sposnors don't have them. Or I don't know them if they do. I just icq'd Tonda now of Twistedcash but I had icq's her in December before this. A webmaster support email is about all I ever need. So having sexy ones seems a mute point for those of us who know what we are doing??

axelcat · 07-29-2004, 03:31 PM

They are good to have

Lucy · 07-29-2004, 03:33 PM

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Originally posted by axelcat
They are good to have

pussyluver · 07-29-2004, 03:34 PM

To be honest, most of the dollars have come from companies without reps. ahmmmm

slapass · 07-29-2004, 03:35 PM

yes for a content shop. But seriously for an affiliate program. What do they do? The couple that have ever have sought me out were all worthless attempts for me to send traffic.

detoxed · 07-29-2004, 03:36 PM

how else would most affiliate programs get affiliates? definately not by the sites and payouts they have.

thekebie · 07-29-2004, 03:38 PM

To look at while sitting around the office borred.

slapass · 07-29-2004, 03:40 PM

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Originally posted by detoxed
how else would most affiliate programs get affiliates? definately not by the sites and payouts they have.

Word of mouth about great conversions seems to be out of the question.

jade_dragon · 07-29-2004, 03:49 PM

Why do car dealerships have salesmen? After all you are interested in the car already because you have seen commercials and/or read up on them. As a matter of fact I have never had a salesman know more about a car than I have.

Why do lawyers have paralegals? After all they spent years and lots of money studying cases, why do they have other people to look up things for them concerning the cases they have?

Why do hospitals have nurses when they have doctors?

Why do pharmacudical companies have outside sales when they have pharmacists?

The reason is because you the consumer want someone to answer questions because you are probably not going to take the time to look up technical information yourself. The second half is because the big boys always want to spend their time making new ways to create money, they do not want to be actively selling their own products, that is impossible to do when you reach a good size in business or you have a conglomorate. In all honesty the best anything sells itself and the information on it is readily available and easy to understand by the consumer.

Why are sales reps usually attractive women? Because people love attractive people even when they "hate them". You will pay more attention to what they say and also overlook mistakes they may make. The reason they are women more than men is because men and women are attracted to women, an attractive man in sales can be a man's man and sell anyone but not as quickly and as easily as an attractive and fairly knowledgeable female. These are brick and mortar principles of business that people have brought to the net with much sucess. EVERYTHING effects sales on a general level down to the tonation of the voice and what you perceive the attitude of the individual selling you to be. A sales person's job is to figure out what you want to hear and customise themselves and the product to not lose the sale more than to be active in your making a choice.

Some of us are not sold by the sales rep we are sold or lost by the product itself, others are not like that and so the sales rep is there to take care of both of us, something nice to talk to while we make up our mind or turn us into mush and get them off their money. I have talked to a few of the sales reps that these posts are about, they seemed generally knowlegdeable and were curtious, all in all they did their jobs, but being a businessman I never sign up or for anything I do not read myself, I was pointed to the information concerning the programs and products and that is what cemented it.

Most of this sales rep blame is crap, the sales rep has nothing to do with how your traffic will convert, nor are they the designers of the sites/programs, they are simply the middle man between you and the consumers you control and the product that the companies they are selling for because those in control are a bit to busy to handle it themselves. If you do not convert ask yourself is your traffic not good on your side or is there something they are not diong that you think they could to work for your traffic, then think if your traffic is worthy of them changing what may be working for others because of it. How any of the blame is logically put on the salesman unless they lied about pertinent info to sell you then I would like to know it so I could become a "better" businessman because I do not see it. Also not liking a sales rep may make you lose out on a good program, just because the salesman does not know the product well does not mean the product will not make you money so it is best to check up on things yourself either way.

slapass · 07-29-2004, 03:59 PM

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Originally posted by jade_dragon
Why do car dealerships have salesmen? After all you are interested in the car already because you have seen commercials and/or read up on them. As a matter of fact I have never had a salesman know more about a car than I have.

Why do lawyers have paralegals? After all they spent years and lots of money studying cases, why do they have other people to look up things for them concerning the cases they have?

Why do hospitals have nurses when they have doctors?

Why do pharmacudical companies have outside sales when they have pharmacists?

These are not the same. At the point of sales, a sales rep is a good idea. These reps are not point of sales people. The number of times I have signed up because of a rep is very small. I ask other webmasters who is good and I sign under them. I fi have a question I ask them as they are suing the program and they will make soemthing on me so why not answer me?

The rest I agree. They need staff and contest and increased payouts etc are a good idea.

I have been around long enough to know wehn a program is hitting it hard and when one is dead in the water. Anyone with traffic knows this stuff too. Reps pickup the bottom 20% of the webmasters that you probably don't want anyways.

robfantasy · 07-29-2004, 04:01 PM

how much do sales reps get paid? or is it commision only

slapass · 07-29-2004, 04:03 PM

PS I referenced Tonda above because I realized he/she was a rep I had talked to twice. Tonda was at WEGcash and is now at Twistedcash and both times I could have and should have emailed support as the contact is so minimal.

I was not digging her/him.

tony286 · 07-29-2004, 04:32 PM

I have to agree I see a strong customer service, strong converting sites and the program will sell itself. One rep that I met at WA she was flown in meals ,hotel and I has asked her near the end do any deals and she no just getting to know everyone. The girl is a sweet heart but thats alot of money for just getting to know you. Tell me if I am wrong the big big traffic deals are done between the owners them selves for the most part that has been the impression I have gotten.

TondaB · 07-29-2004, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by slapass
PS I referenced Tonda above because I realized he/she was a rep I had talked to twice. Tonda was at WEGcash and is now at Twistedcash and both times I could have and should have emailed support as the contact is so minimal.

I was not digging her/him.

Thanks for clarifying your post. Sorry to hear that you have had a bad experience with certain companies/reps. As always, if you need anything do not hestitate to contact me.

Take care

jade_dragon · 07-29-2004, 05:13 PM

Yeah the corrolations are lose ones, just showing how companies and organizations usually have an individual who does part of the job of someone that is famous for it, allowing those individuals to specialize in the more difficult and professional aspects of the business in question.

Sending reps around to learn is a write off, at the end of the year the government is going to come for their money, may as well spend it on having some fun and making your workers happy, it is gone either way.

07-29-2004, 03:28 PM	#1
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,622	Why do they need sales reps? My biggest sposnors don't have them. Or I don't know them if they do. I just icq'd Tonda now of Twistedcash but I had icq's her in December before this. A webmaster support email is about all I ever need. So having sexy ones seems a mute point for those of us who know what we are doing??

07-29-2004, 03:35 PM	#5
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,622	yes for a content shop. But seriously for an affiliate program. What do they do? The couple that have ever have sought me out were all worthless attempts for me to send traffic. Last edited by slapass; 07-29-2004 at 03:37 PM..

07-29-2004, 03:49 PM	#9
jade_dragon Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: NEW ORLEANS/Baton Rouge BABY! Posts: 1,737	Why do car dealerships have salesmen? After all you are interested in the car already because you have seen commercials and/or read up on them. As a matter of fact I have never had a salesman know more about a car than I have. Why do lawyers have paralegals? After all they spent years and lots of money studying cases, why do they have other people to look up things for them concerning the cases they have? Why do hospitals have nurses when they have doctors? Why do pharmacudical companies have outside sales when they have pharmacists? The reason is because you the consumer want someone to answer questions because you are probably not going to take the time to look up technical information yourself. The second half is because the big boys always want to spend their time making new ways to create money, they do not want to be actively selling their own products, that is impossible to do when you reach a good size in business or you have a conglomorate. In all honesty the best anything sells itself and the information on it is readily available and easy to understand by the consumer. Why are sales reps usually attractive women? Because people love attractive people even when they "hate them". You will pay more attention to what they say and also overlook mistakes they may make. The reason they are women more than men is because men and women are attracted to women, an attractive man in sales can be a man's man and sell anyone but not as quickly and as easily as an attractive and fairly knowledgeable female. These are brick and mortar principles of business that people have brought to the net with much sucess. EVERYTHING effects sales on a general level down to the tonation of the voice and what you perceive the attitude of the individual selling you to be. A sales person's job is to figure out what you want to hear and customise themselves and the product to not lose the sale more than to be active in your making a choice. Some of us are not sold by the sales rep we are sold or lost by the product itself, others are not like that and so the sales rep is there to take care of both of us, something nice to talk to while we make up our mind or turn us into mush and get them off their money. I have talked to a few of the sales reps that these posts are about, they seemed generally knowlegdeable and were curtious, all in all they did their jobs, but being a businessman I never sign up or for anything I do not read myself, I was pointed to the information concerning the programs and products and that is what cemented it. Most of this sales rep blame is crap, the sales rep has nothing to do with how your traffic will convert, nor are they the designers of the sites/programs, they are simply the middle man between you and the consumers you control and the product that the companies they are selling for because those in control are a bit to busy to handle it themselves. If you do not convert ask yourself is your traffic not good on your side or is there something they are not diong that you think they could to work for your traffic, then think if your traffic is worthy of them changing what may be working for others because of it. How any of the blame is logically put on the salesman unless they lied about pertinent info to sell you then I would like to know it so I could become a "better" businessman because I do not see it. Also not liking a sales rep may make you lose out on a good program, just because the salesman does not know the product well does not mean the product will not make you money so it is best to check up on things yourself either way. __________________ even ADULTS need TOYS icq: 3 6 3 2 6 6 6 7 \| aim: conglomorateman open for business, affiliates and friendships

07-29-2004, 04:01 PM	#11
robfantasy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Medellin, Colombia Posts: 6,445	how much do sales reps get paid? or is it commision only __________________ Looking to speak w/ high volume nutra CPA affiliates or networks... msg me

07-29-2004, 05:13 PM	#15
jade_dragon Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: NEW ORLEANS/Baton Rouge BABY! Posts: 1,737	Yeah the corrolations are lose ones, just showing how companies and organizations usually have an individual who does part of the job of someone that is famous for it, allowing those individuals to specialize in the more difficult and professional aspects of the business in question. Sending reps around to learn is a write off, at the end of the year the government is going to come for their money, may as well spend it on having some fun and making your workers happy, it is gone either way. __________________ even ADULTS need TOYS icq: 3 6 3 2 6 6 6 7 \| aim: conglomorateman open for business, affiliates and friendships

07-29-2004, 03:31 PM	#2
axelcat Adult Locals Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: West Coast Posts: 25,450	They are good to have

07-29-2004, 03:34 PM	#4
pussyluver Clueless OleMan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ICQ - 169903487 Posts: 11,009	To be honest, most of the dollars have come from companies without reps. ahmmmm

07-29-2004, 03:36 PM	#6
detoxed vip member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,798	how else would most affiliate programs get affiliates? definately not by the sites and payouts they have.

07-29-2004, 03:38 PM	#7
thekebie Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Hood of Burquitlam, BC Posts: 1,046	To look at while sitting around the office borred.

07-29-2004, 04:03 PM	#12
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,622	PS I referenced Tonda above because I realized he/she was a rep I had talked to twice. Tonda was at WEGcash and is now at Twistedcash and both times I could have and should have emailed support as the contact is so minimal. I was not digging her/him.

07-29-2004, 04:32 PM	#13
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	I have to agree I see a strong customer service, strong converting sites and the program will sell itself. One rep that I met at WA she was flown in meals ,hotel and I has asked her near the end do any deals and she no just getting to know everyone. The girl is a sweet heart but thats alot of money for just getting to know you. Tell me if I am wrong the big big traffic deals are done between the owners them selves for the most part that has been the impression I have gotten.