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mahoney · 07-29-2004, 06:00 PM

Tell your imaginary ghost in the sky that i said
wazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz up

BigG · 07-29-2004, 06:00 PM

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Originally posted by BlueDesignStudios
just to throw the cat amoungst the pigeons, do you guys think the Epicurean paradox holds water?:
[list=1][*]If God exists, then he is all-powerful. [*]If God exists, then he is good. [*]If God is all-powerful and good, then there would be no evil. [*]There is evil. [*]Therefore God does not exist. [/list=1]

My fellow Americans, you must first ask why do you believe that it must be true that, "If God exists, then he is all-powerful."?

You should also clarify exactly what you mean by, "all-powerful."

Then, I would like to know why you believe that, "If God exists, then he is good."

Please also define, "good" because I am pretty sure it is a relative term?

Keep on going . . .

boobmaster · 07-29-2004, 06:02 PM

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Originally posted by Rick Latona
Word.

It's amazing what the human mind can come up with. People used to worhip anything. I bet if I told kids that the stapler on my desk loved them and could grant them eternal salvation for years on end they would absolutely "know in their heart" that it was true.

Boobmaster, have you also come to your own conclusions as to what you should do to earn God's forgivness and salvation or do you go strictly by the book. If you aren't going strictly by the book, don't you think it is funny that you can come up with your own list of right and wrong and believe in your heart that it is right?

That is why we have religion. The human mind has the power to know in their heart that they are right.

You need to believe this, Rick. If God exists, there is no way you can justify exploiting the beheading of one of his children for money, especially when that child is seen begging for his life on the tape before being murdered. To exploit this kind of evil is evil.

Pleasurepays · 07-29-2004, 06:03 PM

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Originally posted by BigG
My fellow Americans, you must first ask why do you believe that it must be true that, "If God exists, then he is all-powerful."?

You should also clarify exactly what you mean by, "all-powerful."

Then, I would like to know why you believe that, "If God exists, then he is good."

Please also define, "good" because I am pretty sure it is a relative term?

Keep on going . . .

the whole statement is illogical.

"if God exists, then he is good" - ? why? he might be a prick.

"all powerful" does not mean "all good" either.

being "all good" does not mean evil cannot exist or be created and serve a purpose.

Serge Litehead · 07-29-2004, 06:05 PM

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Originally posted by boobmaster
The important thing to note is that in culture after culture, indigenous religious system are always polytheistic. This suggests that when man creates God, his tendency is to create a system of many gods. It is unnatural for man to create a religious system that is based on a single god. The ONLY one known to exist is Judaism. I would suggest to you that this system is not polytheistic because it was not created by man.

this is an interesting concept.

Pleasurepays · 07-29-2004, 06:05 PM

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Originally posted by boobmaster
You need to believe this, Rick. If God exists, there is no way you can justify exploiting the beheading of one of his children for money, especially when that child is seen begging for his life on the tape before being murdered. To exploit this kind of evil is evil.

Maybe he believes this..

"if your not going to go to heaven... why miss it by an inch"
- Sam Kinneson.

if you believed in anything you are saying, you would not be a whiny bitch and an idiot and would be the most pleasant motherfucker here.

boobmaster · 07-29-2004, 06:05 PM

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Originally posted by mahoney
Tell your imaginary ghost in the sky that i said
wazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz up

You are an idiot!

BigG · 07-29-2004, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by boobmaster
The important thing to note is that in culture after culture, indigenous religious system are always polytheistic. This suggests that when man creates God, his tendency is to create a system of many gods. It is unnatural for man to create a religious system that is based on a single god. The ONLY one known to exist is Judaism. I would suggest to you that this system is not polytheistic because it was not created by man.

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Originally posted by holograph
this is an interesting concept.

It might be except for the obvious fact that not all religions believe in a ?supreme being? or a many ?supreme beings.?

Pleasurepays · 07-29-2004, 06:09 PM

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Originally posted by boobmaster
You are an idiot!

You even sound like Jesus!

BigG · 07-29-2004, 06:12 PM

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Originally posted by Pleasurepays
You even sound like Jesus!

I am selling T-shirts that read:

JESUS SAVES
YOU IDIOT!

PenisFace · 07-29-2004, 06:12 PM

Fuck religeon. I'll repent on the deathbed, and no fucking sooner.

Rick Latona · 07-29-2004, 06:17 PM

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Originally posted by boobmaster
You need to believe this, Rick. If God exists, there is no way you can justify exploiting the beheading of one of his children for money, especially when that child is seen begging for his life on the tape before being murdered. To exploit this kind of evil is evil.

It's only evil if you believe in good and evil. There may be a God and there may not be one. I don't know. But I'm not going to make one up or believe something someone else wrote in a book thousands of years ago.

If God existed and put us on this planet with no real time proof of his existence then told us that we have to believe or suffer eternal damnation in a fire pit of hell he's a real ass. Seriously, what kind of asshole would do that? We have no way of knowing the truth? Am I to burn in hell for not believing something that is in a book?

The problem with your type is that you are quick to damn me for something that you feel is wrong. What you don't see is that one who has no religion has to come up with what is right and wrong based on logic.

I see no wrong in posting violent imagery on my websites. Yet, I'm ethical to the core and you won't find anyone in this business to dispute that.

The biggest difference between you and myself is that you judge people. Art thou holier than thy?

boobmaster · 07-29-2004, 06:20 PM

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Originally posted by Pleasurepays
Maybe he believes this..

"if your not going to go to heaven... why miss it by an inch"
- Sam Kinneson.

if you believed in anything you are saying, you would not be a whiny prick and an idiot and would be the most pleasant motherfucker here.

Would I? I am a pathetic hypocrit. How many times do I need to state that. But that has absolutely nothing to do with the question at hand.

I believe in God's existance for a number of reasons, many of which are personal and many of which are based on reason. I have said this before and will say it again. The ONLY alternative explanation of the existance of life and the universe outside of divine intervention is one based on solely chance and chance alone. On one side we have an intelligent CAUSE and on the other side we have blind CHANCE. I don't believe that any rational person can come to the conclusion that chance is the better of these two alternatives.

If I were to write a grant proposal to study the origin of any substance in nature and tried to prove it had no cause, my proposal wouldn't get past the first series of reviews. Nowhere else in science would CHANCE be an acceptible explanation for the existance of something. So why is it the accepted origin of the universe and of life?

Rick Latona · 07-29-2004, 06:23 PM

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Originally posted by boobmaster
Would I? I am a pathetic hypocrit. How many times do I need to state that. But that has absolutely nothing to do with the question at hand.

I believe in God's existance for a number of reasons, many of which are personal and many of which are based on reason. I have said this before and will say it again. The ONLY alternative explanation of the existance of life and the universe outside of divine intervention is one based on solely chance and chance alone. On one side we have an intelligent CAUSE and on the other side we have blind CHANCE. I don't believe that any rational person can come to the conclusion that chance is the better of these two alternatives.

If I were to write a grant proposal to study the origin of any substance in nature and tried to prove it had no cause, my proposal wouldn't get past the first series of reviews. Nowhere else in science would CHANCE be an acceptible explanation for the existance of something. So why is it the accepted origin of the universe and of life?

Boobmaster,

Why are you trying to understand the origin of the universe. If you accept for a moment that our infantile human brains on this spec of a planet aren't capable of knowing the meaning of the universe than you must either A. Throw in the towel and have a free life with no worries of a God or B. Put a sandwich sign on and spend the rest of your life promoting God's existence because if you think there is a God for God's sake don't take any chances of missing heaven by that inch.

Pleasurepays · 07-29-2004, 06:25 PM

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Originally posted by boobmaster
The ONLY alternative explanation of the existance of life and the universe outside of divine intervention is one based on solely chance and chance alone. On one side we have an intelligent CAUSE and on the other side we have blind CHANCE.

On one hand you have "chance" and the proven fact that all life has in fact evolved... since the age of the planet and the fossil records are not in dispute - only the origin of life is.

On the other hand, you have CHOSEN TO BLINDLY BELIEVE IN THE IDEA OF AN ONMIPRESENT, INVISIBLE AND ALL POWERFUL BEING that shows up out of nowhere who, according the bible was bored (a contradiction) and created everything we know.

That seems like a bizarre choice to some. Just because I don't know the answer to how life began on this planet... doesn't make creating an easy answer, the one correct answer.

boobmaster · 07-29-2004, 06:26 PM

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Originally posted by BigG
Originally posted by boobmaster
The important thing to note is that in culture after culture, indigenous religious system are always polytheistic. This suggests that when man creates God, his tendency is to create a system of many gods. It is unnatural for man to create a religious system that is based on a single god. The ONLY one known to exist is Judaism. I would suggest to you that this system is not polytheistic because it was not created by man.

It might be except for the obvious fact that not all religions believe in a ?supreme being? or a many ?supreme beings.?

Those types of religions are VERY DIFFERENT from the indigenous types found in primitive cultures. You can't use them as evidence because they do not originate as a response to fear and uncertainty in the same way that polytheistic religious systems do. The majority of such systems evolve out of educated societies.

boobmaster · 07-29-2004, 06:29 PM

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Originally posted by Rick Latona
Boobmaster,

Why are you trying to understand the origin of the universe. If you accept for a moment that our infantile human brains on this spec of a planet aren't capable of knowing the meaning of the universe than you must either A. Throw in the towel and have a free life with no worries of a God or B. Put a sandwich sign on and spend the rest of your life promoting God's existence because if you think there is a God for God's sake don't take any chances of missing heaven by that inch.

Because our lives are a mere spec of dust on the timeline of eternity. I believe that these questions are the most important ones faced by mankind and I am hopelessly lost in trying to resolve them. Frankly, I don't know how ANYONE could NOT be interested in an answer to such questions.

Rick Latona · 07-29-2004, 06:31 PM

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Originally posted by boobmaster
Those types of religions are VERY DIFFERENT from the indigenous types found in primitive cultures. You can't use them as evidence because they do not originate as a response to fear and uncertainty in the same way that polytheistic religious systems do. The majority of such systems evolve out of educated societies.

Are you ignoring my responses? The only reason we have the one God system now is because Abraham was smart enough of think it up. You can't prove that there isn't this one God out there any more than you can prove there is. Then Jesus comes along and says, "Hey, look at the potential market size out there with the non-Jews". He realized that if he told everyone else they could have the same God he could scoop that market up. Then Muhammed comes along. He says, "hey Jesus didn't get to the Arab market so that can be all mine".

What do Abraham, Jesus and Muhammed have in common? They were the first and last people to bring the one God formula to their respective markets.

Pleasurepays · 07-29-2004, 06:31 PM

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Originally posted by boobmaster
Because our lives are a mere spec of dust on the timeline of eternity. I believe that these questions are the most important ones faced by mankind and I am hopelessly lost in trying to resolve them. Frankly, I don't know how ANYONE could NOT be interested in an answer to such questions.

it seems to me that everyone who has replied in this thread has found an answer they are happy and content with... just as you have.

BigG · 07-29-2004, 06:32 PM

Nowhere else in science would CHANCE be an acceptible explanation for the existance of something. So why is it the accepted origin of the universe and of life?
-------------------------------------------------------------------

Science is the only thing we have and it is consistent.

So, why not ask . . . if science fails you (and your religious beliefs) when it comes to things so very important as the origin of the universe and life, why trust it for anything?

You seem like you want to pick and choose beliefs as they suit your needs.

We should start burning those damn math and science books otherwise others might start to wonder . . .

Rick Latona · 07-29-2004, 06:35 PM

I'm done with this thread. Boobmaster, this is the only topic that would have gotten me to have a conversation with you.

boobmaster · 07-29-2004, 06:36 PM

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Originally posted by Pleasurepays
On one hand you have "chance" and the proven fact that all life has in fact evolved... since the age of the planet and the fossil records are not in dispute - only the origin of life is.

On the other hand, you have CHOSEN TO BLINDLY BELIEVE IN THE IDEA OF AN ONMIPRESENT, INVISIBLE AND ALL POWERFUL BEING that shows up out of nowhere who, according the bible was bored (a contradiction) and created everything we know.

That seems like a bizarre choice to some. Just because I don't know the answer to how life began on this planet... doesn't make creating an easy answer, the one correct answer.

You need to get your facts straight about evolution. Microevolution is not in dispute. There is abundant evidence that species evolve. However, there is not a single shred of verifiable evidence for macroevolution, i.e., the idea that all species evolved from a single cell over many billions of years. And the origin of that first, simple cell needs to be explained before one can even begin to accept the theory behind its evolution. Each and every attempt to find our primordial ancestor in 'the biotic soup' has been an embarrassing and complete failure.

CamChicks · 07-29-2004, 06:39 PM

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Originally posted by boobmaster
I have a PhD and teach at a university and I believe in God.

As you keep telling everyone. However this is not proof of anything except that you paid your tuition and attended class. (unless you got one of those mail-order/internet PhDs) Any moron can get a PhD behind his name. Countless do. The fact that they give out PhDs for religious studies demonstrates the worthlessness of a title. Any moron can commit the 'right answers' to memory and then parrot them back. A teaching position in texas is not something to brag about.

Pleasurepays · 07-29-2004, 06:42 PM

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Originally posted by boobmaster
And the origin of that first, simple cell needs to be explained before one can even begin to accept the theory behind its evolution. Each and every attempt to find our primordial ancestor in 'the biotic soup' has been an embarrassing and complete failure.

that highlights the silliness of your arguments and beliefs.

conversly, do the origins of the Bible need to be revealed or proven in anyway before you chose to believe in God? no. because as you obviously know.. the origins of the bible are unclear, not the mention the fact that it has been translated and rewritten countless times.... yet you accept the Bible as a record which cannot be proven over the arguments of science which as you just said yourself can at least be partially proven.

As i have said.. you have chosen to believe on argument and chosen not to believe another. Don't play them off as fact or as if one is better than the other. its a personal choice. nothing more.

Pleasurepays · 07-29-2004, 06:43 PM

. double post.

BigG · 07-29-2004, 06:44 PM

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Originally posted by boobmaster
Those types of religions are VERY DIFFERENT from the indigenous types found in primitive cultures. You can't use them as evidence because they do not originate as a response to fear and uncertainty in the same way that polytheistic religious systems do. The majority of such systems evolve out of educated societies.

I'm not sure I understand. Please explain. Thanks!

boobmaster · 07-29-2004, 06:48 PM

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Originally posted by Rick Latona
I'm done with this thread. Boobmaster, this is the only topic that would have gotten me to have a conversation with you.

I realize I'm not your favorite person on GFY but I respect your views on this topic.

boobmaster · 07-29-2004, 06:54 PM

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Originally posted by CamChicks
As you keep telling everyone. However this is not proof of anything except that you paid your tuition and attended class. (unless you got one of those mail-order/internet PhDs) Any moron can get a PhD behind his name. Countless do. The fact that they give out PhDs for religious studies demonstrates the worthlessness of a title. Any moron can commit the 'right answers' to memory and then parrot them back. A teaching position in texas is not something to brag about.

You are an extremely mean spirited person. Please take note of the fact that I have not choosen to treat you in the same manner. The only reason I mentioned my credentials was to combat your assertion that only stupid people believe in god. Having a PhD is generally not evidence of stupidity. You are quite correct in stating that anyone can get an advanced degree through a 'degree mill', but degree mills are easy to identify. My degree, which BTW is not in religious studies, is from a reputable institution (University of Texas) that does not sell them or give them away to anyone. You are still free to think of me as an idiot if you like.

boobmaster · 07-29-2004, 07:00 PM

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Originally posted by Pleasurepays
that highlights the silliness of your arguments and beliefs.

conversly, do the origins of the Bible need to be revealed or proven in anyway before you chose to believe in God? no. because as you obviously know.. the origins of the bible are unclear, not the mention the fact that it has been translated and rewritten countless times.... yet you accept the Bible as a record which cannot be proven over the arguments of science which as you just said yourself can at least be partially proven.

As i have said.. you have chosen to believe on argument and chosen not to believe another. Don't play them off as fact or as if one is better than the other. its a personal choice. nothing more.

Evolution is a scientific theory put forth by scientists. As a scientific theory, in order for it to be maintained, it needs to be supported by empirical scientific data. There is much empirical evidence supporting microevolution. There is none which supports macroevolution. Religion is a system of faith and is not subjected to the same standards. Nowhere in this thread do I claim that the existance of God is supported through empirical data. It is a question of faith. I believe he exists.

I will return to this thread after Mr. Kerry's speech.

Halo18 · 07-29-2004, 07:05 PM

" 'Have faith' in the Christian sense, means 'make yourself believe that there is a god without regard to evidence.' Christian faith is a habit of flouting reason in forming and maintaining one's answer to the question whether there is a god."

- Richard Robinson

BRISK · 07-29-2004, 07:08 PM

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Originally posted by Rick Latona
human brains on this spec of a planet aren't capable of knowing the meaning of the universe

Quoted for truth

Pleasurepays · 07-29-2004, 07:35 PM

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Originally posted by boobmaster
Evolution is a scientific theory put forth by scientists. As a scientific theory, in order for it to be maintained, it needs to be supported by empirical scientific data. There is much empirical evidence supporting microevolution. There is none which supports macroevolution. Religion is a system of faith and is not subjected to the same standards. Nowhere in this thread do I claim that the existance of God is supported through empirical data. It is a question of faith. I believe he exists.

I will return to this thread after Mr. Kerry's speech.

You understand little of science if you think it is also not a system of faith... instead of..."theory" - a beleif in an idea which has yet to be proven is the foundation of any science. It's how we learn... it's a belief that is put forth and subject to the scrutiny of the scientific world. We knew atoms existed long before it could be proven. Just like black holes and a gazillion other things that exist on this planet and in the universe that we cannot see, touch, feel or smell.

Science can offer evidence to support its views. Religionists can only offer the bible, blind faith and circumstantial evidence all coupled with denial.

boobmaster · 07-29-2004, 09:32 PM

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Originally posted by Pleasurepays
You understand little of science if you think it is also not a system of faith... instead of..."theory" - a beleif in an idea which has yet to be proven is the foundation of any science. It's how we learn... it's a belief that is put forth and subject to the scrutiny of the scientific world. We knew atoms existed long before it could be proven. Just like black holes and a gazillion other things that exist on this planet and in the universe that we cannot see, touch, feel or smell.

Science can offer evidence to support its views. Religionists can only offer the bible, blind faith and circumstantial evidence all coupled with denial.

I never said that science and faith were mutually exclusive. I agree with your logic (you express yourself quite well). However, God (or our conception of God), unlike the atom, transcends the universe. As a result, it is not available for science, which is primarily concerned with explaining phenomena within the universe.

Richyp · 07-30-2004, 01:00 AM

CamChicks · 07-30-2004, 02:16 AM

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Originally posted by boobmaster
The only reason I mentioned my credentials was to combat your assertion that only stupid people believe in god.

But it does not combat that assertion.
This is exactly what I mean about lacking sophisticated critical thinking skills.
You made a leap of faith by connecting a diploma to superior intelligence.
The arguement doesn't work because you can have either without the other.
There is no dependent relationship. You see a connection where there is none.
This sort of flawed reasoning is why you see evidence where there is none.

You may call it "mean spirited" . . .
but, without being mercilessly critical, it's easy to give in to comfy delusions.

coolfuck · 07-30-2004, 02:38 AM

i think you right i got 1 sell today .. maybe its from god

reynold · 07-30-2004, 02:51 AM

hey yah all... vist this one here

http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm

Theo · 07-30-2004, 02:55 AM

If God exists why 2pac didnt return as it was supposed to? Is God racist or what?

boobmaster · 07-30-2004, 03:12 AM

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Originally posted by CamChicks
But it does not combat that assertion.
This is exactly what I mean about lacking sophisticated critical thinking skills.
You made a leap of faith by connecting a diploma to superior intelligence.
The arguement doesn't work because you can have either without the other.
There is no dependent relationship. You see a connection where there is none.
This sort of flawed reasoning is why you see evidence where there is none.

You may call it "mean spirited" . . .
but, without being mercilessly critical, it's easy to give in to comfy delusions.

To get an advanced degree, one must write a thesis. To write a thesis, one generally needs to have intelligence. It is usually assumed that a person with an advanced degree is an intelligent person. Intelligent people can believe in God. My personal belief in God is not based on reason. It is based on faith, and it is not contradicted by reason.

boobmaster · 07-30-2004, 03:16 AM

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Originally posted by reynold
hey yah all... vist this one here

http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm

You'll never find him that way.

Tipsy · 07-30-2004, 04:29 AM

Nothing more amusing than a 'believer' trying to argue theological points when he has no real clue about the subject. Please don't let this stop too soon it's very entertaining

mal · 07-30-2004, 09:17 AM

TheMob · 07-30-2004, 09:20 AM

are you saying that your heart is an apartment complex?

ytcracker · 07-30-2004, 10:54 AM

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Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
If God exists why 2pac didnt return as it was supposed to? Is God racist or what?

amen brother

boobmaster · 07-30-2004, 07:26 PM

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Originally posted by Tipsy
Nothing more amusing than a 'believer' trying to argue theological points when he has no real clue about the subject. Please don't let this stop too soon it's very entertaining

I love it how you idiots post shit saying I that don't know what I'm talking about without ever citing a specific case. Put your money where your VERY LOUD mouths are. Tell me where I am in error and correct me. If you're not prepared to at least ATTEMPT to do that, then STFU. Your hostility is due to the fact that YOU DON'T LIKE THE MESSAGE

BlueDesignStudios · 07-30-2004, 07:46 PM

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Originally posted by reynold
hey yah all... vist this one here

http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm

a lottta proof there!

boobmaster · 07-30-2004, 07:51 PM

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Originally posted by BlueDesignStudios
a lottta proof there!

Yes, it proves that witty people with a lot of time on their hands can sit down and come up with lots of cute little examples of bullsit philosophical proofs and then post them on the internet for people to laugh at.

Tom_PMs · 07-30-2004, 08:03 PM

I think that if you could prove the existence of God, then there would be much less "faith" based religion.

You can sort of prove the existence of the concept of "good and evil" by the very contrast between the too. And since it's relative, replace "good" with a mountaintop and "evil" with a deep valley. Now you can see the contrast/difference between them.
If things were all level, they each cease to exist.
Light and darkness, good and evil, highs and lows, black and white. The differences are what gives perspective.

Its an interesting topic, but the very question "does god exist?" tends to answer itself I think. Once you're questioning, then theres going to be perspectives both ways of neutral. If you think so, then yes. If you dont, then no.

mal · 07-30-2004, 08:04 PM

boobmaster, please show us show real proof that "god" exists. do you have photos of "god"? why didnt he/she videotape themself writing a new bible? if this "god" really wanted humans to worship him/her then why wouldnt "god" show himself/herself? do you really think your "god" gives a fuck about humans when he/she watches thousands of people die each day from starvation, disease and murder? why didnt "god" stop the people from burning the cat on CJ?

we want real proof. dont quote shit from some 2000 year old book.

coolandthegang · 07-30-2004, 08:05 PM

I believe in him too...so what?

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TheMob Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: 2006 Posts: 8,584	are you saying that your heart is an apartment complex?

07-30-2004, 08:03 PM	#198
Tom_PMs Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 2,049	I think that if you could prove the existence of God, then there would be much less "faith" based religion. You can sort of prove the existence of the concept of "good and evil" by the very contrast between the too. And since it's relative, replace "good" with a mountaintop and "evil" with a deep valley. Now you can see the contrast/difference between them. If things were all level, they each cease to exist. Light and darkness, good and evil, highs and lows, black and white. The differences are what gives perspective. Its an interesting topic, but the very question "does god exist?" tends to answer itself I think. Once you're questioning, then theres going to be perspectives both ways of neutral. If you think so, then yes. If you dont, then no. __________________ You've read it, you can't unread it.

07-30-2004, 08:04 PM	#199
mal Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,899	boobmaster, please show us show real proof that "god" exists. do you have photos of "god"? why didnt he/she videotape themself writing a new bible? if this "god" really wanted humans to worship him/her then why wouldnt "god" show himself/herself? do you really think your "god" gives a fuck about humans when he/she watches thousands of people die each day from starvation, disease and murder? why didnt "god" stop the people from burning the cat on CJ? we want real proof. dont quote shit from some 2000 year old book.

07-30-2004, 08:05 PM	#200
coolandthegang Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: states Posts: 157	I believe in him too...so what? __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.