How many people have been fucked over in this industry?

[Fletch XXX]

I have been thinking lately, and talking to many on ICQ about some pretty big projects coming.

It got me curious to how many of you have actually been fucked over by someone you had a deal with?

I know some have claimed to have been ripped for many thousands, while others only a couple k, either way have you been ripped off by a piece of shit crook?

I was talking to someone on ICQ and it was along the lines of ...

"its almost not a question of who or how much money, its WHEN are you going to get fucked."

Sad, I have done so much business with so many people, I almost feel lucky I was only fucked over very minutely compared to some of the stories of people I do business with.

[BRISK]

I've never had a big fucking over, maybe $1k here and there, but I've always factored it into the cost of doing business in this industry.

[A C]

Someone always get fucked over in EVERY industry

its not just bad business, its human nature

AC

[nofx]

thats the one thing that I hate the most, getting scammed/ripped off. scammers

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by A C
Someone always get fucked over in EVERY industry

its not just bad business, its human nature

AC

100% true.

there is bad business and human nature wins.

[PMGames]

Three times....all by people I put trust into.....I am way more cautious now and I don't readily invest in people like I use to. One was a major, the other two I only lost a few grand each....but also lost what I thought were "friends" too.

[Methodcash Rick]

Fucked you say???

How many of you remember the DMR fiasco of 1999???

Lost 200k/month in recurring, lucky I don't carry all my eggs in one basket...

[WiredGuy]

There's a lot of deals that go sour that are also not talked about publicly, particularly pre-paid deals between sponsors and affiliates. You very rarely see a sponsor claiming to be ripped off but it does happen.

WG

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by PMGames
Three times....all by people I put trust into.....I am way more cautious now and I don't readily invest in people like I use to. One was a major, the other two I only lost a few grand each....but also lost what I thought were "friends" too.

again 100% true.

the sneakiest are the ones who pretend to be your friend too much.

Sucks so many are out so many k, i know it happens every industry, but youd think with a community like this or something a little less friend-scamming would take place, but nope, its here too.

[Ice]

I have been fucked over by 4 different companys for a total of about 30k

[ztik]

I have had some huge fuck overs. Losses of around $200k and $100k

[TheLegacy]

unfortunately I have as well - worst case are companies that want your lists of webmasters.

but thats the nature of the business.. few people can be trusted...

[pornJester]

There are alot of shady people on the internet in both mainstream and adult. Everyone who has been in this business a couple years has had some deals not turn out as promised and some have been flat out screwed over. You need to be careful how you do business over the internet.

[PMGames]

Oh...forgot....remember digiblaze processors a few years ago...forgot about that.....yup....didn't get over $15K they owed me either.

Another fuck me over was that company SexCo....had two fucking servers with them...one of them was a totally custom multiplayer server that costs me a TON of money to have custom built for me.....fuckers dissapeared over night on my ass...what as that...three years ago....if anyone knows where that Jayson fuck is...let me know.

[KRL]

I've got a long list of people that fucked me over or tried to fuck me or went bellyup owing me money.

The total is around $2 Mil accumulated from the 20 years I've been in this business.

[AVM]

I thought I was bad, apparently not. Sorry ztik.

Nevertheless, I lost $42,000 total last year (three seperate domain transactions) - Due to being overzealous and treating everyone as honest people. Nowadays when I purchase any five-figure domains, I have my whois.sc account. Make them sign contracts, and much more due dilligence/effort on my part.

Again, this is not adult industry. But somehow relates to webmastering. In case you're wondering how you can get fucked on a domain deal - Well they CAN be stolen. And by buying them from the theif, you have to automatically submit the domain back to the original registrant. Or else the registrar will do it themselves.

[Mefo]

I've been fucked over twice for a few thousand $ and a couple of times for some small amounts of money....

[Pornopat]

I see a lot of fucking going on.
I make sure that I can always get them by the balls.
I dont get mad. I get even.

[AVM]

FYI - This wasn't/isn't money I was OWED. This is actual out of pocket money, that I heard earned, from whatever - Could have bought a new car with, or what have you. In my hands, right there, money. Then to lose it, to some fucking lying overseas scumbags. Sucks

[Fletch XXX]

Yeah I can see how some of the bigger players around get taken for larger amounts, geez 100 and 200k... fuck all that.

As a designer, my favorite are the people who hit you up with deals for design.

I said this years ago, if I needed more friends id buy another cat and dog.

There are so very dishonest people posting here, and many of us speak from HARD EXPERIENCE.

please be careful.

if the GFY search worked I bet a little less camming would take place.

doing quick searches on people can wield some plentiful results at times.

[49thParallel]

Depends on if you want to include the consumers who have fallen for the crooked business practices of our industry. Yes, that includes the trial period which needs to be cancelled at least 24 hours before end of trial....the cross-sells that are even harder to cancel..and the penis pill pushers.

So, if you add these into the equation, then we should be asking the many program owners on this board how many customers they have served. Add their numbers together, and you will have how many "consumers" have been fucked over in this industry!

[stevecore]

Currently my work is on a refferal only basis, meaning if I do not know you or if you have not been reffered to me by a trusted associate, I must politely decline any offer you may have.

thats how i keep from getting fucked over. know your clients on a personal basis and do your homework on them.

[Odie]

Thankfully, I have not had anyone screw me over for $$ but what hurts the most is the loss of trust that comes along with the loss of $$ and relationships

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by 49thParallel
Depends on if you want to include the consumers who have fallen for the crooked business practices of our industry. Yes, that includes the trial period which needs to be cancelled at least 24 hours before end of trial....the cross-sells that are even harder to cancel..and the penis pill pushers.

So, if you add these into the equation, then we should be asking the many program owners on this board how many customers they have served. Add their numbers together, and you will have how many "consumers" have been fucked over in this industry!

well yeah, but i was mainly spoeaking about people you have a deal with, and then it turns sour, and you are left holding nada from it.

[jayeff]

The one which pissed me off most, although I didn't lose much money over it, was Adult Check last November. I still see red thinking about it, because some webmasters did a deal to screw other webmasters and make some extra bucks for themselves in the process. That was a first the industry definitely didn't need and it was also the first time someone screwed over hundreds, maybe thousands of webmasters without even going out of business.

Apart from my disgust at the webmasters who turned over others with whom they sometimes had business or even personal relationships, it showed this industry in its worst light. Two big links list owners were among those who collaborated with Adult Check, but because of the cult of personality thing we have going in online porn, people were queuing up to kiss their asses.

I lost a lot of money last year courtesy of the card processors who went belly up. Before that I had been pretty lucky: a live video provider back in '99 (?) and Xwhatever-their-name was. The immediate losses probably totaled around $35,000, but it's hard to say what the real loss was since recurring income was lost too.

[stevecore]

Originally posted by jayeff
The one which pissed me off most, although I didn't lose much money over it, was Adult Check last November. I still see red thinking about it, because some webmasters did a deal to screw other webmasters and make some extra bucks for themselves in the process. That was a first the industry definitely didn't need and it was also the first time someone screwed over hundreds, maybe thousands of webmasters without even going out of business.

Apart from my disgust at the webmasters who turned over others with whom they sometimes had business or even personal relationships, it showed this industry in its worst light. Two big links list owners were among those who collaborated with Adult Check, but because of the cult of personality thing we have going in online porn, people were queuing up to kiss their asses.

I lost a lot of money last year courtesy of the card processors who went belly up. Before that I had been pretty lucky: a live video provider back in '99 (?) and Xwhatever-their-name was.

imho, the owners of AC love fucking people over. i've heard on more than one occasion that tim and laith are fucking sneaky rotten bastards.

[Roald]

few times for maybe a k, what botters me most is not the money but the faith/trust you put into people/clients and when you turn your back they stab you down. I fucking hate those people.

[s9ann0]

oh hell yea it seems like 2004 is the year of getting fucked over for me I have been ripped off more times than I can remember!

[L0stMind]

2004 has been pretty good. only screwed over for $5k total so far...

2002 was my worst year though, two really big deals went sour, costing me over $100k in total. Shitty.

[Peaches]

(knocking wood) So far just one sponsor didn't send me $200 or so that they owed me. When I said something about it years later, they offered to send it, so in reality, I didn't really even get screwed over from them

The DMR fiasco....I was going through some old files a few months ago and found a card where they had sent me flowers for helping them with something back in 1996. Brought back a LOT of memories of how they cut bait a few years later

[EZRhino]

I feel very fortunate now after readingt these posts, my problems are minor compared some of the ones I've heard here. Hope I stay lucky.

[Intrigue]

I've been fucked over plenty of times, generally from clients who claim past programmers, etc... fucked them over, so they can't / won't pay in advance. Never for much cash, but the time is what cost me. Fuck that, anything now is 50% upfront unless i know 100% your good for it

[MissMina]

Yep I can say that I have been fucked by someone in the industry. In the BBW Niche. I rather not go into it. Fucker..

[Minte]

In nearly 8 years i've been mildly fucked over by a sponsor,which i basically forgot about. And majorly fucked over by a single model,which i won't forget anytime soon.

[Fletch XXX]

whats scary is there are some backstabbing crooks posting on this board as we speak.

and they are plotting their next victim.

[TurboTrucker]

I got fucked not a lot of money but it's the principal.

[sweetsally]

2 sponsors didn't pay me...can't complain too much.

[Turboface]

One of the biggest predators in our industry is David Stodghill. I have taken measures to insure that his online crime spree will not continue unchecked.

Another person that is on my shitlist is Herb Kornfield. He stole $1200 from me. When I am finished with David, I will be turning my attention to him.

DreamCumTrue took me for a hundred bucks or so, which I'm not worried about, but certainly will not forget.

[RRACY]

Jeff Meyers of Perfection Trash fucked over http://www.anna19.com from Sweden, countless other models, shaved affiliates, and stole some Solar Cash traffic a few years ago. This piece of shit scumbag is still around supported by the all mighty porn kings.

[cherrylula]

Originally posted by RRACY
Jeff Meyers of Perfection Trash fucked over http://www.anna19.com from Sweden, countless other models, shaved affiliates, and stole some Solar Cash traffic a few years ago. This piece of shit scumbag is still around supported by the all mighty porn kings.

Hey I would actually like to push some of those ex-perfection girls that have their own sites now.

Are they all on Solar Cash? Someone should make a list of these girls if they are out there with their own sites, for ex perfection girls affiliates.

I won't push them through Porn Kings as its obvious the girls are not doing any more content for those sites.

[RRACY]

Originally posted by cherrylula
Hey I would actually like to push some of those ex-perfection girls that have their own sites now.

Are they all on Solar Cash? Someone should make a list of these girls if they are out there with their own sites, for ex perfection girls affiliates.

I won't push them through Porn Kings as its obvious the girls are not doing any more content for those sites.

Hi Cherrlula. Anna19 can be found be at http://www.solarcash.com These are honest guys and have some good shooters too. She is blond and attractive.

[Mr Exotic]

I been fucked over for about 12k$ from 2 dialer companies, one there the dialer actually couldnt get their money, and another where the resaler I was using just got his check and ran with all the people's money.

Then there was this pay per sign up sponsor, I cant even remember what their name was, all I can remember is that they were Dutch and paid 35$/trial sign up. Well out of the blue they decided that they had too many trials not convert to regular customers and decided to pay all the webmasters for only the trials that converted to full monthly subscriptions. I lost around 4k$ to that.

Then I had a hosting company who I paid with an online check. Well they could take out that amount appently whenever they wanted, this I did not know. The amount I paid them for they were only suppose to take out every 6 months, well I got my bank statement and realized they had been making the same withdraw about 19 times over the last couple months before I caught it. That was for about 4k$ too I believe.

So from those instances that I remember I lost about 20k$ total. It may not seem like a whole lot, but since I have been in the business I have probably only made around 180k$ in the 4-5 years I have been in this business, so it makes up a significant chunk of the money I have made.

[Bansheelinks]

Originally posted by Mr Exotic
I been fucked over for about 12k$ from 2 dialer companies,

did one of them happen to be that scumsucking pig at dialerprogram who disappeared with everyone's money?

[SureFire]

Originally posted by Turboface
....
Another person that is on my shitlist is Herb Kornfield. He stole $1200 from me. ....

Care to elaborate?

[SlickRick]

The number is prob more then people helping people
besides the as they like to be called "The Big Players"

[StarkReality]

One real scumbag that comes to my mind is RICK SOMERS !

He was one of the first to make Serge's GBU list for not paying people in his pay-per-click program and it went on and on and on, no idea how many people he fucked over, but I'm sure he'd make the top10 of worst scammers every easily...

[ZanyCash Larry]

It's part of any type of business. There are lots of sharks out there, including: Lawyers, accountants, peers, Lawyers and ......

It is a harsh environment once the stakes become higher

[hershie]

Only a couple of times for tiny amounts despite the hundreds of webmasters I agreed to give content to in advance of them sending payments. My brother-in-law screwed me for $80K in a mainstream deal and I am still contemplating suing but it's killing my mom seeing a family feud split us apart.

[HarlotCash Dyker]

Got fucked over big time when I helped set up some sites with a bunch of "Sunny" Polish guys - In return lost the sites I helped set up, had my ccbill stats page hacked and several hundred recurring members cancelled, and have had every conceivable exploit banging at my servers ever since.
I couldn't begin to work out just how much this cost me -

[herbal logic]

Never have. Ive only dealt with people that have an established reputation. I am sure people that provide services to adult webmasters have to be extremely careful.

In mainstream ive probably been ripped for about 75k over the past 4 years. One deal I got scammed for 30k in one whack for a tv commercial.

Its a learning experience for sure.