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Old 06-27-2004, 03:58 PM   #1
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USA Vs. The World?

If the USA went to war against every other nation in the world, who do you think would win? Let's just assume that neither side used nuclear arms.
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Old 06-27-2004, 04:02 PM   #2
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The rest of the world would win. They could attack us from every possible angle and outnumber us. I'm sure more than 2/3rds of the world's population would be killed in the process though.

So let's hope this does not happen!
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If the USA went to war against every other nation in the world, who do you think would win? Let's just assume that neither side used nuclear arms.
If it was infantry fight only, the US would be beaten by chinese alone.
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Who would win in a hockey game tomorrow: Egypt or Lybia.

That's what I want to know.
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Interesting question.

It wouldn't be the USA.

Wars and not fought by men and armies alone. The moment it got to this point the US would be cut off from everything it needed, and would instantly stop.
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If millions of people died a useless death, who would win?

That's right, nobody.
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Who would win in a hockey game tomorrow: Egypt or Lybia.

That's what I want to know.
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edit- the u.s. would get beat like a redheaded stepchild that stole some coke from bush
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If it was infantry fight only, the US would be beaten by chinese alone.
What he said.
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Old 06-27-2004, 04:12 PM   #10
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I'm pretty sure whatever Death Star we secretly probably have would give us an advantage.
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I don't know. The USA would rule the skyies. We could just carpet bomb everyone, assuming we could find enough planes. As far as being attacked from all sides, that wouldn't be a problem if we eliminated the northern and southern borders. It would probably take us a few hours to dispose of Canada and not more than a day to take care of Central and South America.
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If it was infantry fight only, the US would be beaten by chinese alone.
Good point. Seven million Chinamen at once might be a bit much.
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Old 06-27-2004, 04:16 PM   #13
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The USA would win. You dumb foreigners dont be jealous of the most powerful country in the world. The chinese have technology, but don't put it too use, by the time they have it working there country would be a ditch.
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The US has 40% of the world's WMD.

That means the rest of the world has 60%

We would all lose.

Frighteningly close to putting this to the test....

Be nice if Bush could read The Chrysalids. It is only a 10-12 reading level.
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Old 06-27-2004, 04:25 PM   #15
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The USA would win. You dumb foreigners dont be jealous of the most powerful country in the world. The chinese have technology, but don't put it too use, by the time they have it working there country would be a ditch.
LOL, they have trouble with the small ass third world countires they love to pick on and these poor ass countire DON'T have modern technology...haha

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In a nuke war we could win! we have a massive arsenel!
But would loose a coventional war! hands down!
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Not that I care but in the grand scheme of things losing 10 or 20 people every few weeks during a war is nothing compared to the casualties of yesteryear wars. I mean c'mon any war will kill people. But our loss of life is like 1 half of 1%. Nothing compared to "the great wars" where both sides could lose 100,000's.. Hell if it wer'nt for the news we'd think we were perfect.

If you ask me we're pretty damn tough regardless of what you fight people on our side will die too.

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The janitorial union would be very happy with this hypothetical war no doubt.
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I don't know. The USA would rule the skyies. We could just carpet bomb everyone, assuming we could find enough planes. As far as being attacked from all sides, that wouldn't be a problem if we eliminated the northern and southern borders. It would probably take us a few hours to dispose of Canada and not more than a day to take care of Central and South America.


US would have NO chance at all...
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Not that I care but in the grand scheme of things losing 10 or 20 people every few weeks during a war is nothing compared to the casualties of yesteryear wars. I mean c'mon any war will kill people. But our loss of life is like 1 half of 1%. Nothing compared to "the great wars" where both sides could lose 100,000's..
Good point. Someone should look up the statistic, all casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan put together would probably equate to a couple of minutes on D-Day.
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Ugh.

Listen... China wouldn't do shit.

Remember SARS?

You think SARS and a bunch of other nasties aren't on shelves in US bunkers and bases across the world ready to deploy in the event that millions of people start heading for the boats and planes?

You guys need to realize that Chinas huge population is their _weakness_ when it comes to a war against a superpower who is known for it's superiority with biological weapons.

Vaccinate, deploy, vaccinate, deploy.

Game over.
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Hard to say, if you think about it. How many Americans own guns? I remember reading somewhere we have more guns in america alone than there are people in the world. Would be chaos and a good ammount of the worlds population would die. Hard to say tho.

Edit: Also we have reserves for oil and such... Midland cough Texas. Enough for about 20 years if I remember correctly.
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If it was infantry fight only, the US would be beaten by chinese alone.
If they attacked China.

Chinese may have a huge army, but getting them to the US would be a problem.
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Edit: Also we have reserves for oil and such... Midland cough Texas. Enough for about 20 years if I remember correctly.

Not to mention the major portion of our nationwide distribution system is powered by DIESEL ENGINES (18 wheelers and such) - which can instantly be shifted over to run off of vegetable oil if need be.
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If they attacked China.

Chinese may have a huge army, but getting them to the US would be a problem.
Yes, how many other countries have aircraft carriers? Probably not too many.
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The U.S. would win if we were at full mobilization. All due to training and technology.
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No conventional weapons? We'll shoot down all your planes, sink all your ships then bomb the ever living fuck out of you.

The rest of the world doesn't have a shot.
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Hard to say, if you think about it. How many Americans own guns? I remember reading somewhere we have more guns in america alone than there are people in the world. Would be chaos and a good ammount of the worlds population would die. Hard to say tho.

Edit: Also we have reserves for oil and such... Midland cough Texas. Enough for about 20 years if I remember correctly.
That's right, that's why America can't be taken, a lot of civillians have a gun.

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In a nuke war we could win! we have a massive arsenel!
But would loose a coventional war! hands down!
Yeah sure, Russia has double the nukes the US has.

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I don't know. The USA would rule the skyies.
Yes, you don't know...


France, England, Russia, Germany and Japan would allready be enough to win a war from the US.

And by the way, the people in North Korea are scared, very scared of Bush. They are allready prepared for a US invasion. Although is would be with massive losses, if the US decide to invade North Korea, they are going to loose.

And don't whine about your technology. Russia has a new fighter plane with capabilities comparable with the Raptor.
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If the USA went to war against every other nation in the world, who do you think would win? Let's just assume that neither side used nuclear arms.
If the world were to declare war on the US...which is a ridiculous thought in the first place...the US would use nukes.
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And by the way, the people in North Korea are scared, very scared of Bush. They are allready prepared for a US invasion. Although is would be with massive losses, if the US decide to invade North Korea, they are going to loose.
I don't think there is any way the country would allow another invasion to take place at this point. If Bush sent troops to korea, there would probably be a revolution in the USA.
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Good point. Seven million Chinamen at once might be a bit much.
At the end of the 2nd world war...the US had 16 million people in uniform...with less than half the current population and a fraction of the current GNP. You do the projection. China cannot project its military much beyond its border as it does not have the heavy air/sea lift capablity to do so. In addition China just very recently announced that its military is not a match for the US military...but they are going to strive to change that over the coming decade or two. At this point it would be a strecth for China to arm 7 million soldiers with even small arms...let alone the weapons required to wage a major war.
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If the world were to declare war on the US...which is a ridiculous thought in the first place...the US would use nukes.
And the world as a whole would be fucked. Nuclear winter fucks the US just as hard as it fucks the rest of the world.
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And the world as a whole would be fucked. Nuclear winter fucks the US just as hard as it fucks the rest of the world.
The possibility of "Nuclear Winter" existed when the Soviets and the US possessed approximately 50,000 nukes between them...and all of them being detonated with in a very short time frame. They have a fraction of that number now...and with the worlds combined nukes...the possibility of a "Nuclear Winter" is not a realistic possiblity.
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Ugh.

Listen... China wouldn't do shit.

Remember SARS?

You think SARS and a bunch of other nasties aren't on shelves in US bunkers and bases across the world ready to deploy in the event that millions of people start heading for the boats and planes?

You guys need to realize that Chinas huge population is their _weakness_ when it comes to a war against a superpower who is known for it's superiority with biological weapons.

Vaccinate, deploy, vaccinate, deploy.

Game over.
Yeah, and the rest of the world has jack shit.

Every single underground lab in every single "civilized" country is armed to the teeth with top secret nuclear projects, mountains of radioactive chemicals, nerve gases, PU-239, incurable diseases, flesh eating bacteria and you-don't-stand-a-fucking-chance-viruses that could wipe out the entire world population in a matter of days.

So long as someone is willing to use it... nobody stands a chance against anybody.

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The possibility of "Nuclear Winter" existed when the Soviets and the US possessed approximately 50,000 nukes between them...and all of them being detonated with in a very short time frame. They have a fraction of that number now...and with the worlds combined nukes...the possibility of a "Nuclear Winter" is not a realistic possiblity.
You're talking about the US using nukes against the rest of the world.

That means the US trading nukes with Britain, China, France, India, Pakistan, Russia and Israel. That's about 30000 nukes total. The explosive power of it all is equivalent to about half a million of the bombs that levelled Hiroshima and Nagasaki. More than enough to fuck everything up.
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15 years ago it would be a damn good fight, today no. I really hate to say it.
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stupid question... in wars there isnt a winner.. though usa would be gone in few days
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Nukes are only good against populated cities and army bases, and just to make other nations "give up" and that is IF you could actually get those bombers in there unseen.

If nations fought till death, nukes wouldnt have the same affects like in WW2

How many stealth bombers would you need to be able nuke every single threat? US doesn't have that kind of resources.
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The rest of the world would win. They could attack us from every possible angle and outnumber us. I'm sure more than 2/3rds of the world's population would be killed in the process though.

So let's hope this does not happen!
Assuming a "traditional" war, I have to agree. Once the Japanese take Hawaii, then they can move into South America as well for their launch stations. From the east and north are also several key logistical military bases, including the nuclear sub base in Esquimalt and that kind of thing. It wouldn't be pretty, but I don't see the US holding out for long, ESPECIALLY considering their high foreign population percentage. Think of all the sleeper cells already inside the country.
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In addition China just very recently announced that its military is not a match for the US military...but they are going to strive to change that over the coming decade or two. At this point it would be a strecth for China to arm 7 million soldiers with even small arms...let alone the weapons required to wage a major war.

since years China is flooding the arms market with cheap copies of popular guns like the Colt Government (look for Norinco, to name just one of their brands) - those guns could just as easily be handed out to their own army instead. i don't think they'd expereince big problems to supply enough arms.

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Nukes are only good against populated cities and army bases, and just to make other nations "give up" and that is IF you could actually get those bombers in there unseen.

If nations fought till death, nukes wouldnt have the same affects like in WW2


if memory serves, Japan wanted to give up, the US ddin't accept the offer though.

of course the 'promotion' for nukes and their power would have been less impressive with tests only, so the move is somehow understandable, from the US POV.
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Nukes are only good against populated cities and army bases, and just to make other nations "give up" and that is IF you could actually get those bombers in there unseen.

If nations fought till death, nukes wouldnt have the same affects like in WW2

How many stealth bombers would you need to be able nuke every single threat? US doesn't have that kind of resources.
Ever heard of ICBM's...Cruise Missiles...etc all with Multiple Targeted Warheads. Our Nuclear Subs are armed with enough missiles with Multi Targeted Warheads to destroy every major population center on the earth. You mentioned "cities" and "army bases"...but you left off...nukes can prevent the massing of a Field Army...nukes can prevent the invasion of the US because the worlds combined Navies cannot mass their Navy for an invasion.
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The rest of the world would win EZ ... they cannot even defeat vietnam and irak ... lol
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You're talking about the US using nukes against the rest of the world.

That means the US trading nukes with Britain, China, France, India, Pakistan, Russia and Israel. That's about 30000 nukes total. The explosive power of it all is equivalent to about half a million of the bombs that levelled Hiroshima and Nagasaki. More than enough to fuck everything up.
No doubt things would be fucked up...but their probably would not be a "Nuclear Winter". Scientists have never came to a cosensus about "Nuclear Winter"...to the best of my knowledge.
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The rest of the world would win EZ ... they cannot even defeat vietnam and irak ... lol
Wrong on both counts.
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