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jokaroo · 06-26-2004, 11:45 PM

Just saw the documentary and it was great. Who ever claims that Moore's work is not credible because it is one sided, has got to be kidding. Obviously it is one sided, because Moore is bringing out the other side of the story, that many of us don't get to see/hear. You already get fed Bush's propaganda every bloody day, now here is a chance to see both sides and you can draw the middle line where ever you want. Also I would like to point out that the facts in the documentary are nothing new to many of us who actually follow political events and do our own research. The truth is all out there, it's just that nobody cares to look or ask questions.

Mr.Fiction · 06-27-2004, 12:02 AM

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Originally posted by jokaroo
Just saw the documentary and it was great. Who ever claims that Moore's work is not credible because it is one sided, has got to be kidding. Obviously it is one sided, because Moore is bringing out the other side of the story, that many of us don't get to see/hear. You already get fed Bush's propaganda every bloody day, now here is a chance to see both sides and you can draw the middle line where ever you want. Also I would like to point out that the facts in the documentary are nothing new to many of us who actually follow political events and do our own research. The truth is all out there, it's just that nobody cares to look or ask questions.

erehwon · 06-27-2004, 12:34 AM

Heh, I am a dyed in the wool Libertarian, I have seen the movie twice, and don't worry, had my Democrat friends pay my way in.

No way in hell would I pay to see it with my own money.

Now with that said, I see places Moore could have slammed Bush further, and other places where he could have thrown the book at him, yet used the imagery, yet if he used what the incident, it wouldn't play into the third act.

The scenes of the bodies hanging from the bridge and dragged in the street were private military contractors, I have a number of close friends with PMC's in Iraq, The nice thing for Bush is when a PMC/PSC gets killed, its not chalked off as another American servicemember being killed in Iraq.

To date there have been about 45+ private military/private security contractors killed in Iraq. Contractors paid with no bid contracts to protect CPA and American Interests, it could have gotten really murky with Bush hiring mercenaries to protect security interests in that part of the world, but that would have totally blown the part of using poor Americans in the Army and National Guard.

Now I knew Hamid Karzi to be in the hotel business, I wasn't aware of his advisory for Unocal in Afghanistan. But National Security Advisory Condoleezza Rice was a director for Chevron and had a supertanker named after her.

Greg B · 06-27-2004, 12:35 AM

Alright, alright...

This flick is amazing. Sure it's one-sided but so is mainstream news. Look at the horseshit the mainstream news services dish out everyday.

The key thing about this movie is that it has people talking and debating and focusing on outpoints the mainstream is too chickenshit to touch.

To be harsh but real, this film shows just how asswipe stupid your fellow American can be. It makes you wonder if evolution just stopped cold somewhere. It also shows how kiss-ass and greedy people can be. They will fuck over their fellow man for a dollar.

This film also shows how racist the Republican machine is as long as your race is rich or can be used to throw off people.

The Saudi prince is a black guy giving damn near a trillion dollars in U.S. investments but then the film shows poor assed black people. I wonder how many of those black Saudi dollars go to the black people? I'll bet every one of them Saudi princes has a harem of blonde dumb white women on the side.

Look at how Bush Sr. sucks up to them. Yet he comes from a state where a brown or black guy can still be hung from a tree or a car. Bet he never took the Saudi Prince to a good ol' boy Klan meeting.

Bush had this election in the can and this film shows why. He had the Senate, the Supreme Court and the deciding election state in his back pocket. Oil cartels, foreign interests. It should be clear as a fucking bell that the entire administration should have been haulted and removed from day fucking one but it wasn't. Why? Because at that time it was LEGAL for them to do what they did. The American people are so racist and greedy they got what they deserved. Those hijackers weren't Afghanis or Iraqis they were SAUDIS but you don't see us dropping bombs on their asses.

Moore's film didn't touch on what Israel has to say about the Bush/911 debacle. Since Israel is our primary ally in the middle east you'ld think somehow somewhere their opinion would be of value. Where was it?

Moore points out as we all do all these outpoints of how the Bushes do business but what about every administration? Don't they all have dirty deals done dirt cheap?

Yeah Limbaugh and the other right wing talk show hosts bitch and moan about the 'Liberal Media' but that's the biggest crock of shit ever said outside of a 'grow a big penis' advertisement.

The media is owned lock, stock and barrell by right wing companies. Ever since there've been newspapers, radio and tv, women and minorities took a backseat until the riots of the 60s. If the media is so damned liberal why did they have to riot to get their concerns heard? Hell, there were only a handful of blacks on tv until the late 60s. So where is this 'liberal media'? It's horseshit. Rush and the rest of his limpdicked wannabees call anyone who doesn't agree with their alcoholic, dope poppin', wife should have sex in public, golf playing on native american burial ground asses.

Yet when all is said and done, BUSH WILL WIN BY A LANDSLIDE.

What? Greg B are you mad?

Nope. Just real. Here's why: Bush does what Reagan did, he feeds money to the military industrial machine and the cops and big business. That money trickles down and everyone keeps their mouth shut or their houses get foreclosed. Plain and simple. Fuck the poor, fuck the veterans and their families, fuck the small guy. The corporate thugs tell their employees that if Bush don't win, there won't be jobs. The military servicemen and women are so brainwashed because so many of them come from poverty they couldn't think outside the box if the lid was opened. We're dealing with a population of stimulus-response thralls and that's why pornmeisters make so much money.

The U.S. has been taken over plain and simple and the press is too chickenshit to fight back or they'll lose their jobs. Remember something, journalists are some of the lowest paid workers in the country. Most fast food employees make more. So what would you do? Fight the power and end up in jail from not paying your student loans or shut up and eat the next day?

One thing Moore didn't put in this film that would have shaken the world is how the Bush family had it's fortune seized during WWII for collaboration with the Nazis. Don't hear about that do ya? But they could fund the Nazis, pal around with the Saudis and call Israel their friend? If I was Israel I would be watchin' my ass cause the Nazis are back and so hard up they're hanging out with rich black muslims who are stupid enough to think they're white.

Hopefully this film with all it's plusses and minusses will get other film makers to take on the tough issues. If it makes a ton of money at the box office you can bet there'll be a tidal wave of 'fact finding' flicks. The one thing about Hollywood is the only color it really cares about is green.

06-26-2004, 11:45 PM	#51
jokaroo Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 30	Just saw the documentary and it was great. Who ever claims that Moore's work is not credible because it is one sided, has got to be kidding. Obviously it is one sided, because Moore is bringing out the other side of the story, that many of us don't get to see/hear. You already get fed Bush's propaganda every bloody day, now here is a chance to see both sides and you can draw the middle line where ever you want. Also I would like to point out that the facts in the documentary are nothing new to many of us who actually follow political events and do our own research. The truth is all out there, it's just that nobody cares to look or ask questions. __________________ www.jokaroo.com ICQ: 8005224 AIM: "aleks jokaroo" Last edited by jokaroo; 06-26-2004 at 11:47 PM..

06-27-2004, 12:34 AM	#53
erehwon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: A secure undisclosed location... Posts: 3,759	Heh, I am a dyed in the wool Libertarian, I have seen the movie twice, and don't worry, had my Democrat friends pay my way in. No way in hell would I pay to see it with my own money. Now with that said, I see places Moore could have slammed Bush further, and other places where he could have thrown the book at him, yet used the imagery, yet if he used what the incident, it wouldn't play into the third act. The scenes of the bodies hanging from the bridge and dragged in the street were private military contractors, I have a number of close friends with PMC's in Iraq, The nice thing for Bush is when a PMC/PSC gets killed, its not chalked off as another American servicemember being killed in Iraq. To date there have been about 45+ private military/private security contractors killed in Iraq. Contractors paid with no bid contracts to protect CPA and American Interests, it could have gotten really murky with Bush hiring mercenaries to protect security interests in that part of the world, but that would have totally blown the part of using poor Americans in the Army and National Guard. Now I knew Hamid Karzi to be in the hotel business, I wasn't aware of his advisory for Unocal in Afghanistan. But National Security Advisory Condoleezza Rice was a director for Chevron and had a supertanker named after her. __________________ Money NEVER $leep$...

06-27-2004, 12:35 AM	#54
Greg B So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: EARTH (for the time being) Posts: 7,014	Alright, alright... This flick is amazing. Sure it's one-sided but so is mainstream news. Look at the horseshit the mainstream news services dish out everyday. The key thing about this movie is that it has people talking and debating and focusing on outpoints the mainstream is too chickenshit to touch. To be harsh but real, this film shows just how asswipe stupid your fellow American can be. It makes you wonder if evolution just stopped cold somewhere. It also shows how kiss-ass and greedy people can be. They will fuck over their fellow man for a dollar. This film also shows how racist the Republican machine is as long as your race is rich or can be used to throw off people. The Saudi prince is a black guy giving damn near a trillion dollars in U.S. investments but then the film shows poor assed black people. I wonder how many of those black Saudi dollars go to the black people? I'll bet every one of them Saudi princes has a harem of blonde dumb white women on the side. Look at how Bush Sr. sucks up to them. Yet he comes from a state where a brown or black guy can still be hung from a tree or a car. Bet he never took the Saudi Prince to a good ol' boy Klan meeting. Bush had this election in the can and this film shows why. He had the Senate, the Supreme Court and the deciding election state in his back pocket. Oil cartels, foreign interests. It should be clear as a fucking bell that the entire administration should have been haulted and removed from day fucking one but it wasn't. Why? Because at that time it was LEGAL for them to do what they did. The American people are so racist and greedy they got what they deserved. Those hijackers weren't Afghanis or Iraqis they were SAUDIS but you don't see us dropping bombs on their asses. Moore's film didn't touch on what Israel has to say about the Bush/911 debacle. Since Israel is our primary ally in the middle east you'ld think somehow somewhere their opinion would be of value. Where was it? Moore points out as we all do all these outpoints of how the Bushes do business but what about every administration? Don't they all have dirty deals done dirt cheap? Yeah Limbaugh and the other right wing talk show hosts bitch and moan about the 'Liberal Media' but that's the biggest crock of shit ever said outside of a 'grow a big penis' advertisement. The media is owned lock, stock and barrell by right wing companies. Ever since there've been newspapers, radio and tv, women and minorities took a backseat until the riots of the 60s. If the media is so damned liberal why did they have to riot to get their concerns heard? Hell, there were only a handful of blacks on tv until the late 60s. So where is this 'liberal media'? It's horseshit. Rush and the rest of his limpdicked wannabees call anyone who doesn't agree with their alcoholic, dope poppin', wife should have sex in public, golf playing on native american burial ground asses. Yet when all is said and done, BUSH WILL WIN BY A LANDSLIDE. What? Greg B are you mad? Nope. Just real. Here's why: Bush does what Reagan did, he feeds money to the military industrial machine and the cops and big business. That money trickles down and everyone keeps their mouth shut or their houses get foreclosed. Plain and simple. Fuck the poor, fuck the veterans and their families, fuck the small guy. The corporate thugs tell their employees that if Bush don't win, there won't be jobs. The military servicemen and women are so brainwashed because so many of them come from poverty they couldn't think outside the box if the lid was opened. We're dealing with a population of stimulus-response thralls and that's why pornmeisters make so much money. The U.S. has been taken over plain and simple and the press is too chickenshit to fight back or they'll lose their jobs. Remember something, journalists are some of the lowest paid workers in the country. Most fast food employees make more. So what would you do? Fight the power and end up in jail from not paying your student loans or shut up and eat the next day? One thing Moore didn't put in this film that would have shaken the world is how the Bush family had it's fortune seized during WWII for collaboration with the Nazis. Don't hear about that do ya? But they could fund the Nazis, pal around with the Saudis and call Israel their friend? If I was Israel I would be watchin' my ass cause the Nazis are back and so hard up they're hanging out with rich black muslims who are stupid enough to think they're white. Hopefully this film with all it's plusses and minusses will get other film makers to take on the tough issues. If it makes a ton of money at the box office you can bet there'll be a tidal wave of 'fact finding' flicks. The one thing about Hollywood is the only color it really cares about is green.