mardigras

OK. Perhaps a national news library of (non-commercial) clips paid for by our war... er, I mean, tax dollars.

I thought it was pretty tacky to show President Kennedy's head being blown off but that hasn't stopped it from being shown forever.

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eddie-executive

shut the fuck up and go to bed

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Libertine

I think most of us do understand your business - some of us just don't agree with it. There is more to life than just business.


Something legal that sells really well is underage non-nude. Some people make good money from it, others wouldn't have anything to do with it if their life depended on it. Those probably do understand it all too well, they just have a little pesky thing called morality, or a conscience if you will.

mardigras

You're the John Waters of the adult biz

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Mr.Fiction

I don't disagree with your statement.

On the other hand, channels like CNN and Fox are in the business of making money on murder, rape, and torture. Should an independent website be held to a higher standard?

No matter what you do, someone is going to be pissed off.

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SureFire

Watching that video made me feel sick all over again.

The worse part of this be-heading was listening to the music seeing a head placed on his chest.

I doubt if any God would sanction these acts.

eddie-executive

CNN and FOX dont show in detail what happens. They don't show the actual cutting the head off. Tell me why is that?

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Libertine

I actually think such libraries should exist, purely because they give a much stronger guarantee of footage and such remaining available in an unaltered state.

I don't think they should be the only legal source for such materials though... I do support freedom of speech.

eddie-executive

If the news is into making money from death why don't they show the whole unedited video? Why? because its not allowed by the networks because its to graphic and would offend alot of people. So what makes it acceptable to be on the net? Its only because the net isnt governed so people think they can do whatever the fuck they want.

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Libertine

News organizations provide something more than just shocking footage though. They provide information, which allows people to build up a perspective of the world with regards to politics and social issues which they can use in making their political choices and such. In short: they provide something more than just entertainment.

Now, ofcourse, it's hard to draw a line - the term infotainment comes to mind - but in all honesty, I think people themselves know when they cross the line between providing news and providing entertainment.

bhutocracy

I don't think it's a bad thing, if there wasn't a financial imperative it would be harder for these things to be made public.
Why would i want to watch the decapitation video? So that this guy isn't a sound bite.. isn't a 5 second grab on the news.. isn't just another statistic that numbs you to the reality.. It humanises the war-porn and de-videogames it.
if every soldier and every innocent Iraqi's daeth was televised we wouldn't be so easily rushed into going to war and killing far away brown people. I'm not suggesting we do this but I find places like cj to be an invaluable service and I don't begrudge them their money.

Ian

Have a good sleep Rick, sweet dreams.

Couple of suggestions for the next project:

1. Kiddie porn site using the guise of "artistic impressions".

2. Neo-Nazi site explaining why the Holocost never happened and it's all just some Jewish conspiracy.

Hope they "break records and create something worth bragging about."


You are the perfect example of free speech and freedom of the press that has gone bad.

The good thing is that all people retain the right not to pay any attention to you at all.

I think it's in your Charter of Rights.


Thanks for making our day even more special and rewarding.

Libertine

It actually is a bad thing that they aren't *allowed* to show those images. Censorship never is a good thing.

eddie-executive

Its bad to block a child from seeing it?! You gonna force people to see that by flipping through stations that dont want to see it? So the 40 news stations can broadcast it and make people not even turn on the tv period?! what the fuck are you talking about?

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BlueDesignStudios

I agree.. seeing how horrific the death of one person can be, to think of the 1000's of people who have died in iraq, it's horrible.. and yes if they did televise every death that occured, I'd say the anti-war movement would grow

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WebDork

Being very serious which is I know against the GFY rules I am glad the video was posted.

I live in a very nice part of the world down here in Australia. I have only ever seen a rifle twice in my life, and only ever held a hand gun (unloaded) once. Ive never been mugged or robbed, and I havent been in a fight since primary school.

When 9/11 happened - it was just like watching a movie special effect. I didnt feel any grief. I was remote and detached - it wasnt my country, nor my friends. I didnt see close ups of anyone physically suffering. It could have been the next die hard movie for all I felt. No offense to anyone... Same with the footage from the 2 recent wars.

Watching the second of these beheading videos its hard to express what I feel.

The world is a fucked up place and I am increasingly realising how well off I am that I dont know this kind of life.

Like I said - I dont know how to say what I am feeling right now - but just wanted to say something...

I am glad I did see the video. Its something I wont forget. Its impact on me is significant.

I hate my government for joining in an illegal war, but when you see stuff like this, well ...

(PS I would like to see them have the guts to behead a North Korean and see what a world of pain they would unleash. North Koreans would have pretty well levelled the country overnight )

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Joe Citizen

Mate these beheadings are happening *because* of this illegal war.

pxxx

"Sick" is too nice of a word to describe the people that are commiting these barbaric acts. I just pray that the guys soul Rests In Peace. He did not deserve any of that, and this war had nothing to do with him. Like somebody mentioned, these people will meet the same fate.

Libertine

The fact that footage like this is only available on sites like ogrish and cj makes sure the vast majority of the audience consists of those looking for shocking entertainment.
Is the guy still just another soundbite? No, now he's a "cool" vid with a shock value - much like the "faces of death" series and stuff like that.

It doesn't show people the atrocities of war, it shows them something that makes them go "Holy fucking shit!", or maybe "it is hard fucking core" or even " ".

Does the war get de-videogamed by stuff like this? I've seen threads on gfy about how "cool" it was to see people get shot to bits in real vids as if they were action movies, and I distinctly remember a thread where everyone pretty much laughed their asses off because of a vid of a woman getting stoned to death.

Really, if people don't get the fact that other people have lives, families, feelings and all that shit, a video of someone getting beheaded won't enlighten them. In fact, I dare say that there is no hope for them whatsoever.

Libertine

3 things:
#1: obviously, a warning would be in place
#2: even more obviously, mainstream news stations wouldn't show stuff like that
#3: parents should take some fucking responsibility and not let the tv raise their children

Ian

I hear a lot of good and valid points from the people posting from their hearts on the larger concepts of the problems of this world but this is the bottom line for Rick Latona's threads:



"Don't forget about the Dollars.com demo tomorrow everyone:

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showt...threadid=316135




Like the comic book states:

"Nuff said."

KRL

Whoa, whoa, whoa, all countries do stuff that is barbaric. Christ, we still strap people in chairs and electrify them. Is it right to do that?

We experiment on animals in the most gruesome manner imaginable.

We cuts the heads off of over 100 million animals each day. Most are still fully conscious.

Other countries like china do forced medical experiments using prisoners.

Every been inside a prison in the US? Lots of barbaric stuff goes on in there.

We dropped napalm on villages filled with women and children for over a decade. Is that barbaric?

We nuked two cities in Japan. We vaporized 200,000 innocent people in a matter of seconds. Wasn't that barbaric?

The world is what it is. Let's not just point the finger at the Arabs. Their culture is different no doubt and they believe in cutting off hands and feet and heads, but we have our own forms of barbarism as well.

We're all guilty.

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Ironhorse

No doubt. This is getting to be a bit too much

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Digipimp

i'm not reading through all this bullshit but did anybody wonder why this dude was crying like a bitch? shit i wanted to see them chop his head off after that, go out like a man don't cry like a bitch to those cocksmokers.

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Ian

Seeing as how Rick's sleeping it off, let's chat;

OK, we know that the world is not perfect, politically or enviromentally...

In the year 2005, if you were elected World President with power over the entire Earth, all countries, all organizations for an initial term of 1 year:

What would you do?

Joe Citizen

Require all countries to sign a non-aggression pact and a disarmament treaty.

Then legalise weed.

Instant peace!

Digipimp

thanks for taking a break from getting high to post something really stupid. great contribution.

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Joe Citizen

No problem!

Oh I'm sorry, was it a serious question?

KRL

Over 55,000 people die every day from not having enough food to eat.

Why isn't anyone getting freaked out over that?

Everyone needs to see the whole perspective of mankind and not just that of a single man who met an unfortunate death.

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bhutocracy

how does this video NOT show us the atrocities of war? how many people in this thread said the video was "cool"? If you read it I think you'll find most people are rightly saddened and shocked by it. Someone saying "holy fucking shit" doesn't mean they're not empathising with the situation, they're just either shocked, unable to express it in more expressive words, or for lack of wanting to look like a "pussy" not wanting to express it in what you might think are more "acceptable" phrasings.

laughing at stoning vids is what happens when barely pubescent boys talk shit on an adult bbs and want ot come across as hardcore or against the towelheads or whatever.. I wouldn't judge the effect on most everyone else on the few 'tards from the peanut gallery.

And no.. people do not "get" that these people have families and the sadness these deaths bring.. we ARE desensitised.. how do you empathise with the deaths of 10,000 Iraqi's? We have hardly even evolved far enough to be ablet o mentally comprehend that number without BEING SHOWN an image of 10000 people.
why are images more persuasive at trials? why are images the thing that blew the lid of abu garib prison?
we understand these things on a certain level. You know someone was beheaded, you know they had a family, oh shit next story is about a panda that can't get an erection.. it gets part of the mass of human misery for the day.. it is dealt with on a level that doesn't require any real amount of empathy on the viewer's behalf.. If what you said was true and that normal people know they have families and totally empathise then half the workforce would be paralysed at home all day crying at the constant misery around us. But it doesn't work like that.

The same idiots that laugh at a stoning video don't do it because of their basic disregard for human life, they do it because of whatever indoctrination they have undergone to equate the victims to being not worthy of empathy.
Those very same idiots would be the first ones shocked and disturbed and yelling down other people for being anti-american haters if it was a nice blonde midwestern woman getting stoned by muslim men.

The fact that a part of the audience doesn't empathise doesn't mean there aren't plenty of legitimate viewers with their own valid reasons for watching and the behaviour of other people doesn't in anyway impinge on the validity.

Joe Citizen

Because people are brainwashed.

They believe what the idiot box tells them instead of thinking for themselves.

Well that's the short answer.

Ian

Dig:

Joe's answer wasn't bad but he forgot hunger etc., and all the things communism was going to solve but didn't.

Still thinking about what you'd do?

Seems to me like this is a question that might be it's own thread, sso let's move it ...

bhutocracy

bwahahaha this coming from the guy that just posted:

"i'm not reading through all this bullshit but did anybody wonder why this dude was crying like a bitch? shit i wanted to see them chop his head off after that, go out like a man don't cry like a bitch to those cocksmokers."

lol you would piss your pants faster than a taco bell employee shitting in a room full of terrorists. I love computer nerds talking about how tough they would be in situations they would be too scared to even be in in the first place.

Digipimp

you've obviously got no clue. i've had a gun in my face or been shot at more times than you've sucked a dick and that's a lot of times. shit i got started doing more work for myself on the computer because i wanted to stay home while on probation.

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bhutocracy

which feeds into my point that people only care about that when they see it.. we KNOW it happens.. we're told from a young age to eat our brussel sprouts or whatever because the biafrans would kill for them.. but it's normalised.. we don't do anything about it until an add comes on tv with 60 seconds of footage of brown babies dying with their faces covered in flies.

you "know" on one level but imagery makes you confront it. It's just human nature we don't go around with mega ovaries crying all day about every dolphin ever not saved from unfriendly tuna.
We need to be slapped back to the reality of the situation.

bhutocracy

yeah i remember you going on about how tough you were shooting at some guy.. didn't you go home and come back with a gun and drive by like a pussy instead of fighting like a man right there?
And you were on probation which means your stupid enough to get caught.. wow.. two points or you.

aSStig

ive seen the video, and i guess their knife is more sharper now than the other one they've used with Nick Berg

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Digipimp

no actually you're remembering me talking about someone doing a drive by on me. the time i got arrested i had 3 guns on me and didn't have to go home to get them. and yeah i've been in a drive by on both ends, big deal. it didn't make me tough where i was from, it's when witty wanna be funny guy webmasters think everyone that owns a computer is a computer nerd.

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bhutocracy

"Then I was in a car at the club driving around the parking lot right before close and some guys tried to put a bottle and rock through the window of my friends lexus so we drove back around and shot at them."


oh my bad. not.

BluMedia

Very strange thing I noticed that I think some other people noticed. After the guy pleaded for his life the scene was cut to the guys reading their statement. The guy never moved or said a word or pleaded for his life anymore, he had to already be dead when they were reading their statement. Also they were able to cut his head off way too quickly, just very strange. Watch it again and see if you notice.

Mark

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I would force all humanity to study the Koran, Torah and the Testament cover to cover then choose which religion made the most sense. A vast majority would choose none of the above after doing their homework.

Religion is the problem. You preach to me about morals all you want. The highly religious Christian we have in the oval office and the deeply devout Muslims chopping heads off need a lesson in what is right and wrong.

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misty_dayz

Well I won't be able to watch it. When the other one was released people at the office gathered round to watch it while I left the room quickly...I just couldn't do it.

Just knowing the video was there and glancing (without knowing what I was looking at at first) screencaps...disturbed me for days.

Consumption Junction once again comes through and gets what the people want...I applaud that. Just because I can't personally watch it doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't

mardigras

People who don't know how to monitor their children or select a program through a guide without flipping through stuff that offends them don't need a TV.

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MakeMeGrrrrowl

The difference is, we don't video tape it as a means to "scare" the world. Yes, we cut off animals heads (to eat), yes prisoners get beat every day (most likely they deserve it anyway), yes we experiment on animals (to try and help humans)..but we don't do that sort of stuff to scare the world. We don't threaten other countries that if they don't do what we want, we're going to chop off a cows head and video tape it. That's the difference.

What about all the arab's living here? Do you see us capturing them? Cutting their heads off? No...but my bet is, they're probably getting pretty scared about it...and perhaps some crazy american is going to end up doing it, because now the world is sort of immune...just pissed. I know that's how I feel.

I thought the Berg video was much worse...maybe because he didn't have a blindfold on, and when they cut off his head you could see the pain in his face. They're all bad...but the berg one got me the worse =(


Also I don't recall Berg saying anything or moving just before they cut off his head. I remember him sitting there very quietly just like this man was.

mardigras

It's not that the graphic videos are not allowed, the networks choose not to run them. Big difference.

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psili

Thanks Rick. Disturbing video, but thanks for the option you made available for me to choose to watch it.

For all the other fuckers who are saying negative things about you posting it -- DON'T WATCH THE FUCKING VIDEO if you don't want to and stop complaining.

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Libertine

How does this video NOT show the atrocities of war?
Quite simply really... the exact same way a rape vid put on an extreme porn site would not show what a vile and disgusting thing rape is. Context most often is what determines meaning, and that is also the case with this particular vid.

That is something that should be clear to everyone, and especially to those in this industry. (what's a pic in the family album of one of your kids running naked through the yard? cute. what's a pic on a porn site of a naked kid? sick. - context determines meaning)

The Faces of Death videos were a huge, HUGE hit. Not because people wanted to empathise with the people getting killed/maimed/whatever in the vids, but because shock value equals good entertainment for many.

Now, if you choose to make your money by catering to such preferences, the fact that some people might use your vids to build up an understanding of the atrocities of war does not make your actions any better.

By the way, the idea that actually seeing it makes a difference for people seems a bit naive. Just think about the romans and how they watched gladiators and christians dying, or how public executions have been extremely popular throughout history with the majority of the population.

The sad truth is that most people have a basic disregard for human life, which only is different if they happen to know or identify with the human life in question.

hova

Amen.

I am in some kind of shock after watching the vid.

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