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cherrylula · 06-23-2004, 11:17 AM

I wonder if this is some sort of censorship now that google went public?

Where's all the anti-google conspirators?

Nysus · 06-23-2004, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JupZChris
or just give it to ricks lawyers to eat up for lunch as im sure consumtion junction IS a trade marked name???

That guy on his little free host will shit his self when he gets a packet fomr the CJ boyZ

That could work too, yes.

Cheers,
Matt

hershie · 06-23-2004, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy

When I goto the www version, I get redirected to http://www.consumptionjunction.com/home.asp
In general, Google doesn't like redirections but this should not be enough of a reason to get you such a low PR of just 3. Anyone else have ideas? I'm at a loss myself.

WG

Maybe they are not using a permanent 301 redirect and google may have issues with that and see it as dynamic or temporary?

Rick Latona · 06-23-2004, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL
Forget about precedents. Just send over CJ's trademark infringement negotiation specialists.

We'll see how well their site loads if they don't respond nicer next time we talk.

Juicy D. Links · 06-23-2004, 11:33 AM

Rick email me

[email protected]

Ill unban you.

I might have to sleep with some ugly chicks at the google office but just consider it a favor.

WiredGuy · 06-23-2004, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by juicylinks
Rick email me

[email protected]

Ill unban you.

I might have to sleep with some ugly chicks at the google office but just consider it a favor.

Googlebot gets around I see

HS-Trixxxia · 06-23-2004, 11:35 AM

I'm getting 576 linkbacks.
I'm also getting the PR0 on consumptionjunction.com & PR3 on www.consumptionjunction.com

Xenophage · 06-23-2004, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rick Latona
The free web space guy said there is nothing wrong with him having a program that generates pages to manipulate Google and I can threaten legal suits all I want but he won't remove it. Now I'm pissed. Does anyone know if there is a precedent here?

Rick I have this same issue with google using my trademarked and copyrighted terms. Google says you ahve to take it up with each individual site owner. You can send C&D but unless ya wanna spend time and money sueing each person its pretty much pointless, even if ya get a few to take it down there are 1000 more right behind them to fill their shoes. Basically someone needs to sue google and force them to fold as they have the deep pockets and something to lose. All these people using trademark and copyright terms to inflate their ranking usually have no assets so are immune from legal action, though you could get their websites, for whatever that might be worth.
I just dont think its worth yourtime and energy to bother with it. figure out how to convert 1% better and ya make more money than all these fucking leaches anyway.

WiredGuy · 06-23-2004, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LegendaryLars
Rick I have this same issue with google using my trademarked and copyrighted terms. Google says you ahve to take it up with each individual site owner. You can send C&D but unless ya wanna spend time and money sueing each person its pretty much pointless, even if ya get a few to take it down there are 1000 more right behind them to fill their shoes. Basically someone needs to sue google and force them to fold as they have the deep pockets and something to lose. All these people using trademark and copyright terms to inflate their ranking usually have no assets so are immune from legal action, though you could get their websites, for whatever that might be worth.
I just dont think its worth yourtime and energy to bother with it. figure out how to convert 1% better and ya make more money than all these fucking leaches anyway.

But if you set one precedent, the rest should cave without much resistance, especially if they're all doing the same type of thing which seems to be the case here.

WG

HS-Trixxxia · 06-23-2004, 11:45 AM

screwed that up......it's actually 175

Xenophage · 06-23-2004, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
But if you set one precedent, the rest should cave without much resistance, especially if they're all doing the same type of thing which seems to be the case here.

WG

its like trying to stop spammers

then all that will happen is the people that are very difficult to touch legally will own the searches. russians and chinese dont give a shit about US law.

Namzo · 06-23-2004, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
Googlebot gets around I see

So she suckered you in with that "You are the only one for me, I'll keep you on page one forever" line too?

WiredGuy · 06-23-2004, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Namzo
So she suckered you in with that "You are the only one for me, I'll keep you on page one forever" line too?

She promised me a PR10. Lying slut.
WG

Rick Latona · 06-23-2004, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LegendaryLars
Rick I have this same issue with google using my trademarked and copyrighted terms. Google says you ahve to take it up with each individual site owner. You can send C&D but unless ya wanna spend time and money sueing each person its pretty much pointless, even if ya get a few to take it down there are 1000 more right behind them to fill their shoes. Basically someone needs to sue google and force them to fold as they have the deep pockets and something to lose. All these people using trademark and copyright terms to inflate their ranking usually have no assets so are immune from legal action, though you could get their websites, for whatever that might be worth.
I just dont think its worth yourtime and energy to bother with it. figure out how to convert 1% better and ya make more money than all these fucking leaches anyway.

Sue Google? Now you got me excited.

KRL · 06-23-2004, 12:05 PM

You think you got headaches?

There are 214 Million pages using the term Men.

WiredGuy · 06-23-2004, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL
You think you got headaches?

There are 214 Million pages using the term Men.

Good luck.

Xenophage · 06-23-2004, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rick Latona
Sue Google? Now you got me excited.

hey well if your gonna sue people ya might as well sue people with deep pockets.

Jdoughs · 06-23-2004, 12:09 PM

I think saying its not that big of a deal is foolish

With 450k + people searching for it (overture) and you not being on the front page, thats a shitload of traffic looking for you and finding either affiliates or scum.

Thats a whole shitload of revenue floating around.

Theres no reason why you shouldnt rank on top for a search for your own domain name. Befor even bothering with the other clowns id take my ranks back with some good ole fashioned SEO.

A question...were you on top for your own name "consumption junction" befor you fell on the google radar?

ytcracker · 06-23-2004, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL
You think you got headaches?

There are 214 Million pages using the term Men.

hahahahaah
joke of the day

Rick Latona · 06-23-2004, 12:18 PM

Got a response from Google again:

Hi Rick,

Thank you for your reply. Please be advised that a PageRank score of zero does not necessarily mean that a page or site has been penalized by Google. A page may be assigned a rank of zero if Google crawls very few sites that contain links to the page in question. Additionally, pages recently added to the Google index may also show a PageRank score of zero because they have not yet been crawled by Googlebot and have not yet been ranked. A page's PageRank score may increase naturally with subsequent crawls. In the meantime, a zero PageRank score should not be a source for concern.

Regards,
The Google Team

Original Message Follows:
------------------------
From: "Rick Latona" <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [#11522114] Our Site was banned and we've done nothing wrong
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:34:30 -0700

Why do we have a PR0 if we are one of the biggest sites on the entire Internet?

Rick

Rick Latona · 06-23-2004, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jdoughs
I think saying its not that big of a deal is foolish

With 450k + people searching for it (overture) and you not being on the front page, thats a shitload of traffic looking for you and finding either affiliates or scum.

Thats a whole shitload of revenue floating around.

Theres no reason why you shouldnt rank on top for a search for your own domain name. Befor even bothering with the other clowns id take my ranks back with some good ole fashioned SEO.

A question...were you on top for your own name "consumption junction" befor you fell on the google radar?

I don't think we have ever been on the top. We've never really had a SEO strategy. No one can spell our fucking domain, etc. We just have good old fashion fans by the millions. That said, I agree with you and we are now doing something about it.

ytcracker · 06-23-2004, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rick Latona
Got a response from Google again:

Hi Rick,

Thank you for your reply. Please be advised that a PageRank score of zero does not necessarily mean that a page or site has been penalized by Google. A page may be assigned a rank of zero if Google crawls very few sites that contain links to the page in question. Additionally, pages recently added to the Google index may also show a PageRank score of zero because they have not yet been crawled by Googlebot and have not yet been ranked. A page's PageRank score may increase naturally with subsequent crawls. In the meantime, a zero PageRank score should not be a source for concern.

Regards,
The Google Team

Original Message Follows:
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From: "Rick Latona" <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [#11522114] Our Site was banned and we've done nothing wrong
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:34:30 -0700

Why do we have a PR0 if we are one of the biggest sites on the entire Internet?

Rick

i dont think they are paying attention to your questions

they read the first word or two

start the next one off: im rick latona bitch!

Shoehorn! · 06-23-2004, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
when i search for

Consumption Junction

i get 141 k results and your site is the first one with a PR 3.

When I search for "consumption junction" I get 140,000 sites that AREN'T the real CJ, just bootleg version or people with an earthlink account with a "consumptionjunction" sub domain.

Luc · 06-23-2004, 01:33 PM

Rick, can you give me a ballpark figure on how much bandwidth
your site eats up on a daily basis?

I'd greatly appreciate it.

Thanks,
Luc L.

slapass · 06-23-2004, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hershie
Maybe they are not using a permanent 301 redirect and google may have issues with that and see it as dynamic or temporary?

They were seeing it as duplicate content. It looks like CJ changed it and it is fine now.

Rick Latona · 06-23-2004, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Luc
Rick, can you give me a ballpark figure on how much bandwidth
your site eats up on a daily basis?

I'd greatly appreciate it.

Thanks,
Luc L.

Daily? Well, let me do some math. A gig a second would be 86 terabytes? In other words, your funny shit will be worthless shit without critical mass.

Volantt · 06-23-2004, 01:38 PM

Steps to push Google.

1. File for trademark
2. Send letter to google for contributory infringement and
trademark dilution.
3. Settle for a $ plus high rankings.
4. Case closed.

Luc · 06-23-2004, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rick Latona
Daily? Well, let me do some math. A gig a second would be 86 terabytes? In other words, your funny shit will be worthless shit without critical mass.

Thanks Rick.

Looking forward to.. well, you'll see in a few weeks.

Luc · 06-23-2004, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Volantt
Steps to push Google.

1. File for trademark
2. Send letter to google for contributory infringement and
trademark dilution.
3. Settle for a $ plus high rankings.
4. Case closed.

Sit down before you fall down kiddo.

Since the copy-cat sites were up long before a trademark was
issued (assuming that it ever gets issued), Rick has no case.

The only thing he can do is ask nicely, or, use the "immense"
power of his CJ servers to knock that bitch offline.

Luc L.

Rick Latona · 06-23-2004, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Luc
Thanks Rick.

Looking forward to.. well, you'll see in a few weeks.

Absolutely bro. And I'll be more than happy to help you if you have a similar site.

swami · 06-23-2004, 02:05 PM

I haven't read this thread but after having a quick look at your site I can say its definetly not banned and shows pr3.
Many of your so called links to you are probably configured not to pass pr.
If you want i can get you to the top of google for consumption Junction for $2000 payable only after I do it.

emthree · 06-23-2004, 02:07 PM

Rick I think for you to really open some eyes, you will have to move alittle bit harder and stronger. Like Lars said, you can sue 100s but there are 1000s waiting to grab that spot, and google seems to be putting you in the back-seat while others benefit off of your name. I mean common now, GOATCX is second on the list -- that's reason enough to break some fingers and make the little fuckers cry.

My advice to you is take this up with google directly, do alittle pushing while hinting legal action. When you think about it, you will pretty much have world wide media coverage if you act on this in the propper way -- that alone will be worth the time and sweat.

-Make sure you are logging those google bots, and where they are crawling.
-Setup a propper robots.txt
-do a few adwords tests

Rick Latona · 06-23-2004, 02:08 PM

There is a lot of great advice in this thread.

emthree · 06-23-2004, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Luc

The only thing he can do is ask nicely, or, use the "immense"
power of his CJ servers to knock that bitch offline.

Luc L.

That wont help much, did you see those listings? They are allready 404d

TheSenator · 06-23-2004, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cherrylula
I wonder if this is some sort of censorship now that google went public?

Where's all the anti-google conspirators?

I keeping on telling you guys that GOOGLE is shining up for the IPO.... imaging if the CHRISTIAN RIGHT finds CJ in their search.

Just following the money and watch google keep on knocking down major controversial sites to the bottom.

GeXus · 06-23-2004, 02:15 PM

There could be alot of reasons why this happend, its happend before..

Here are a few

1. Google updated, The sites linking to you lost some links to them and their PR went down.. Remember you need a PR4+ in order for google to pass PR and show up in backlinks.

2. Someone was spamming your site, name, etc..

3. Your entry page can also be concidered as a "doorway page" but unlikly..

Now the truth.. There are only 140,000 sites "competeing" for keyword "consumtion junction" that is not alot.. and the fact you do not come up #1 for it.. most likely means that someone was spamming your site, or you are using cloaking, or doorway pages, or some sort of unethical SEO pratice.. I would go through and make sure everything on your site is 100% legit.. and also review sites in your backlinks and make sure they are sending to the right page..

I would get rid of that adult check on your main page... SEs will not pass through to your home page with the way it is setup..

Contact me on ICQ 9724247 if you want help

bawdy · 06-23-2004, 02:17 PM

not saying this is the cause because it obviously is not... but does having the age verification form stop googlebot from parsing deeper?

onlymovies · 06-23-2004, 03:13 PM

Rick,

Something else you might want to think about. Maybe WiredGuy or any other SEO might be able to comment on this. I am by no means an SEO, but this is just what i've seen.

I have a friend of mine who runs a very big mainstream site. Lots of traffic and a decent PR with huge searches for his domain daily.

Now, his problem was hundreds of cheaters trying to use his name to get higher rankings. His site would end up in spot 10 - 20 when people would search for his own domain due to all the cheaters. Pretty much like your situation.

He didn't want to send out tons of C&D's to all these cheaters since (as someone else even mentioned in this thread) there's tons of cheaters right behind them that will take their place. C&D's we're pointless.

So instead of sending out tons of C&D's to all those cheaters using his name to gain rankings that were listed above him, he did something else.

Anyone that was listed above him (that was obviously spamming/cheating) he would copy and "take" their pages and put them on his own domain.

He started a collection of these pages, taking tons of these cheating pages and listing them on subdomains of his main one. Some pages were placed in subdomains, while other were just in new folders, etc.

It worked for him. He's now number 1 in his spot and even more so, if you do a search for his name, the whole front page of his search is now his. So now, he thanks the cheaters for making these killer optimized pages that he would "take" from them and add to his domain.

I'm sure many will different opinions about this, but it's kind of funny when he gets emails from the cheaters all pissed off because he took their pages and added them to his own domain. When in fact, these pages were built and optimized with his name to steal traffic from him while attempting to gain rankings for his domain search.

Either way, it's just another idea to throw out in the open and let the chips fall where they may.

Good luck.

WiredGuy · 06-23-2004, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by swami
I haven't read this thread but after having a quick look at your site I can say its definetly not banned and shows pr3.
Many of your so called links to you are probably configured not to pass pr.
If you want i can get you to the top of google for consumption Junction for $2000 payable only after I do it.

Other than some onsite SEO work, what more can really be done? He has a very large base of links, probably much more than my entire network of sites could ever have. I really get the impression something manual was done at google to CJ's domain. There is no way this many thousands of links can result in only a PR3 and ranked #10 unless there's something I'm not seeing.

WG

polish_aristocrat · 06-23-2004, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by onlymovies
So now, he thanks the cheaters for making these killer optimized pages that he would "take" from them and add to his domain.

interesting..........

WiredGuy · 06-23-2004, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by onlymovies
Anyone that was listed above him (that was obviously spamming/cheating) he would copy and "take" their pages and put them on his own domain.

He started a collection of these pages, taking tons of these cheating pages and listing them on subdomains of his main one. Some pages were placed in subdomains, while other were just in new folders, etc.

It worked for him. He's now number 1 in his spot and even more so, if you do a search for his name, the whole front page of his search is now his. So now, he thanks the cheaters for making these killer optimized pages that he would "take" from them and add to his domain.

In general this would even up the odds. Assume you copy and paste someone else's site, word for word. Now you both have identical pages. Since the pages are identical, there's pretty much only two elements left in order to rank one page over another.

1) PageRank
2) Anchor Text

If you have a greater PR and/or targetting the anchor text in your links to the keywords you're going after, then you should come up on top (assuming everything else is identical).

WG

titmowse · 06-23-2004, 03:30 PM

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StarkReality · 06-23-2004, 03:42 PM

When a site is banned, the backlinks to you get deleted from their database. When the ban occurred shortly before the PR update, only few links to you were registered by the bot. This would explain why it's only 3, once google slowly crawls all the other links again, PR will rise again, but don't expect 8 at the next update, this process can be pretty slow.

You are definately not banned any more, so it should just be a matter of time to get back where you were...sux because the ban probably was an automatic one, alot of huge sites (not just adult) with many subpages and pr6+ were banned lately, many totally unjustified...maybe some bug

Rick Latona · 06-23-2004, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by StarkReality
When a site is banned, the backlinks to you get deleted from their database. When the ban occurred shortly before the PR update, only few links to you were registered by the bot. This would explain why it's only 3, once google slowly crawls all the other links again, PR will rise again, but don't expect 8 at the next update, this process can be pretty slow.

You are definately not banned any more, so it should just be a matter of time to get back where you were...sux because the ban probably was an automatic one, alot of huge sites (not just adult) with many subpages and pr6+ were banned lately, many totally unjustified...maybe some bug

They never said I was banned and I'm not sure that I was.

http · 06-23-2004, 04:26 PM

Sue 1000 or so webmasters in 100 countries... ah ok

Your best bet is to encourage webmasters to join your program, achieve good positions for "consumption junction" and related terms and send that traffic YOUR way - where it belongs. This way you'll end up on top on all engines in the long term, and stay there even with changing search engine algorithms

The reason MANY SEO send their SE traffic to random, unrelated sites is they don't have the patience to target the audience of their doorways manually, or not the skills to do it automatically

I agree that sending "Consumption Junction" traffic to somewhere should not "be tops with you" but...

Right now you sound as if it'd make no difference to you whether the traffic in question is sent to YOU or someone else. Meaning that you just may sue someone who is sending CJ search engine queries to CJ.

I for one DO send SE traffic to sites (not yours) using i.e. the site names and have yet to get a single complaint from the program owners

The whole "it's my name/trademark so I must be #1 in google" approach just ain't fly with google. It is not going to happen. It may happen through the algorithm but not through "demanding" it. And you stand no chance in court against google in such a case - and very understandably so. From the point of view of a SE someone looking for "Microsoft something blabla" isn't necessarily looking for microsoft.com. And so on

I think recently there was a porn starlet on here complaining that someone "stole" or whatever "her" positions and her name in google. I am not sure whether the webmaster in question sent that traffic to a) a unrelated site or b) her "original" site or c) to a site featuring her - with legit content that she got paid for.

I don't see anything legally or morally wrong with sending "Pornstar Jamie Fuckme" search engine queries to the "original Jamie Fuckme site" or - if such site does a) not exist or b) has no affiliate program - to a general Porn Stars site that has content of Jamie Fuckme

I am fully aware that many think they can just sue away everyone in front of them in google and then magically end up on top.

I am just pointing out that this is not only wrong but also stupid on many levels.

Carry on...

Forkbeard · 06-23-2004, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rick Latona
"Additionally, pages recently added to the Google index may also show a PageRank score of zero because they have not yet been crawled by Googlebot and have not yet been ranked." [/B]

I'm no SEO guru, but the Google database entry that has the domain name with no "snippet" of text matches this explanation. Generally, the "no snippet" sites in Google are sites that the Googlebot has found, but not crawled yet.

Obviously that's silly for CJ, unless: Googlebot came by one day and tried to crawl the site. Got confused, got lost, for whatever odd reason could not crawl. Site got treated as offline and removed from database. But of course with a million links incoming, it immediately got added back in, in the plain snippetless version. I'm guessing the snippet will be back soon, probably page rank also.

Also, Google has been "throttling" page rank for new sites -- it seems to grow slowly sometimes. If Google is confused and thinks CJ is new, it may take awhile before it "grows" back to PR8.

BVF · 06-23-2004, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by onlymovies

Anyone that was listed above him (that was obviously spamming/cheating) he would copy and "take" their pages and put them on his own domain.

This seems like the most feasible, cheap, LEGAL, and effective way to fuck them over.

swami · 06-23-2004, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
Other than some onsite SEO work, what more can really be done? He has a very large base of links, probably much more than my entire network of sites could ever have. I really get the impression something manual was done at google to CJ's domain. There is no way this many thousands of links can result in only a PR3 and ranked #10 unless there's something I'm not seeing.

WG

All the links I have seen are not passing pr.Without looking too far but i did check yahoo and google and I cant see many hardlinks that would give him better pr than 3.the fact that he rates no#1 for consumptionjuction (one word) tell me he is not penalised.If he wants to pay me 4400 per month I will get him pr6 and no#1 for consumption junction

WiredGuy · 06-23-2004, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by swami
All the links I have seen are not passing pr.Without looking too far but i did check yahoo and google and I cant see many hardlinks that would give him better pr than 3.the fact that he rates no#1 for consumptionjuction (one word) tell me he is not penalised.If he wants to pay me 4400 per month I will get him pr6 and no#1 for consumption junction

I'll do it for $4k/mn

WG

slapass · 06-23-2004, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by swami
I haven't read this thread but after having a quick look at your site I can say its definetly not banned and shows pr3.
Many of your so called links to you are probably configured not to pass pr.
If you want i can get you to the top of google for consumption Junction for $2000 payable only after I do it.

This is a good deal. He knows his shit and what would you lose?

06-23-2004, 11:35 AM	#57
HS-Trixxxia Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Montreal Canada Posts: 2,946	I'm getting 576 linkbacks. I'm also getting the PR0 on consumptionjunction.com & PR3 on www.consumptionjunction.com __________________ ~~♥~~♥~~♥~~♥~~♥~~♥~~♥~~♥~~ Patrizia COO - ♥ MassiveDollars Email: patrizia at MassiveDollars dot com ICQ: 465.826.441 Yahoo: trixxxia_me MSN: trixxxia at hotmail dot com

06-23-2004, 11:45 AM	#60
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06-23-2004, 12:09 PM	#68
Jdoughs Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Great White North Posts: 5,794	I think saying its not that big of a deal is foolish With 450k + people searching for it (overture) and you not being on the front page, thats a shitload of traffic looking for you and finding either affiliates or scum. Thats a whole shitload of revenue floating around. Theres no reason why you shouldnt rank on top for a search for your own domain name. Befor even bothering with the other clowns id take my ranks back with some good ole fashioned SEO. A question...were you on top for your own name "consumption junction" befor you fell on the google radar? __________________ LinkSpun - Premier Adult Link Trading Community - ICQ - 464/\281/\250 Be Seen By New Webmasters/Affiliates * Target out webmasters/affiliates based on niches your sites are for less than $20 a month. AmeriNOC - Proudly hosted @ AmeriNOC!

06-23-2004, 12:18 PM	#70
Rick Latona The Best Ideas Start Here Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,037	Got a response from Google again: Hi Rick, Thank you for your reply. Please be advised that a PageRank score of zero does not necessarily mean that a page or site has been penalized by Google. A page may be assigned a rank of zero if Google crawls very few sites that contain links to the page in question. Additionally, pages recently added to the Google index may also show a PageRank score of zero because they have not yet been crawled by Googlebot and have not yet been ranked. A page's PageRank score may increase naturally with subsequent crawls. In the meantime, a zero PageRank score should not be a source for concern. Regards, The Google Team Original Message Follows: ------------------------ From: "Rick Latona" <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [#11522114] Our Site was banned and we've done nothing wrong Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:34:30 -0700 Why do we have a PR0 if we are one of the biggest sites on the entire Internet? Rick __________________ Regards, Rick Latona http://latonas.com Latona's - We Sell Money Making Web Properties Note to buyers of websites and traffic: please check our inventory at http://latonas.com/websites-for-sale. If you would like to make an offer on something, just let me know.

06-23-2004, 11:17 AM	#51
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	I wonder if this is some sort of censorship now that google went public? Where's all the anti-google conspirators?

06-23-2004, 11:33 AM	#55
Juicy D. Links So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: N.Y. -Long Island -- Posts: 122,992	Rick email me [email protected] Ill unban you. I might have to sleep with some ugly chicks at the google office but just consider it a favor.

06-23-2004, 01:33 PM	#74
Luc Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Houston Posts: 1,130	Rick, can you give me a ballpark figure on how much bandwidth your site eats up on a daily basis? I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks, Luc L. __________________ » Looking for Type-in domais? Page Rank domains? Alexa domains? Popular domains? » Domain Research Tool can scan hundreds of thousands of domains to find whatever you're looking for. » Auto-appraise domains and send automated domain offers in bulk with just one click. » Full support for Proxy Servers and International Overture. Try it Free.

06-23-2004, 01:38 PM	#77
Volantt Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Penguin vs Devil Posts: 745	Steps to push Google. 1. File for trademark 2. Send letter to google for contributory infringement and trademark dilution. 3. Settle for a $ plus high rankings. 4. Case closed. __________________ "Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato "In the abscence of orders, go find something and kill it." - Erwin Rommel "A man's worth is no greater then the worth of his ambitions." - Marcus Aurelius

06-23-2004, 02:05 PM	#81
swami Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: vanuatu Posts: 1,989	I haven't read this thread but after having a quick look at your site I can say its definetly not banned and shows pr3. Many of your so called links to you are probably configured not to pass pr. If you want i can get you to the top of google for consumption Junction for $2000 payable only after I do it.

06-23-2004, 02:07 PM	#82
emthree Dialer Kingpin Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New York Posts: 10,816	Rick I think for you to really open some eyes, you will have to move alittle bit harder and stronger. Like Lars said, you can sue 100s but there are 1000s waiting to grab that spot, and google seems to be putting you in the back-seat while others benefit off of your name. I mean common now, GOATCX is second on the list -- that's reason enough to break some fingers and make the little fuckers cry. My advice to you is take this up with google directly, do alittle pushing while hinting legal action. When you think about it, you will pretty much have world wide media coverage if you act on this in the propper way -- that alone will be worth the time and sweat. -Make sure you are logging those google bots, and where they are crawling. -Setup a propper robots.txt -do a few adwords tests __________________ • Sell Patches & Pills •

06-23-2004, 02:08 PM	#83
Rick Latona The Best Ideas Start Here Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,037	There is a lot of great advice in this thread. __________________ Regards, Rick Latona http://latonas.com Latona's - We Sell Money Making Web Properties Note to buyers of websites and traffic: please check our inventory at http://latonas.com/websites-for-sale. If you would like to make an offer on something, just let me know.

06-23-2004, 02:15 PM	#86
GeXus Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Yo Mommas Pussy Posts: 3,320	There could be alot of reasons why this happend, its happend before.. Here are a few 1. Google updated, The sites linking to you lost some links to them and their PR went down.. Remember you need a PR4+ in order for google to pass PR and show up in backlinks. 2. Someone was spamming your site, name, etc.. 3. Your entry page can also be concidered as a "doorway page" but unlikly.. Now the truth.. There are only 140,000 sites "competeing" for keyword "consumtion junction" that is not alot.. and the fact you do not come up #1 for it.. most likely means that someone was spamming your site, or you are using cloaking, or doorway pages, or some sort of unethical SEO pratice.. I would go through and make sure everything on your site is 100% legit.. and also review sites in your backlinks and make sure they are sending to the right page.. I would get rid of that adult check on your main page... SEs will not pass through to your home page with the way it is setup.. Contact me on ICQ 9724247 if you want help

06-23-2004, 02:17 PM	#87
bawdy Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,424	not saying this is the cause because it obviously is not... but does having the age verification form stop googlebot from parsing deeper?

06-23-2004, 03:13 PM	#88
onlymovies Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 906	Rick, Something else you might want to think about. Maybe WiredGuy or any other SEO might be able to comment on this. I am by no means an SEO, but this is just what i've seen. I have a friend of mine who runs a very big mainstream site. Lots of traffic and a decent PR with huge searches for his domain daily. Now, his problem was hundreds of cheaters trying to use his name to get higher rankings. His site would end up in spot 10 - 20 when people would search for his own domain due to all the cheaters. Pretty much like your situation. He didn't want to send out tons of C&D's to all these cheaters since (as someone else even mentioned in this thread) there's tons of cheaters right behind them that will take their place. C&D's we're pointless. So instead of sending out tons of C&D's to all those cheaters using his name to gain rankings that were listed above him, he did something else. Anyone that was listed above him (that was obviously spamming/cheating) he would copy and "take" their pages and put them on his own domain. He started a collection of these pages, taking tons of these cheating pages and listing them on subdomains of his main one. Some pages were placed in subdomains, while other were just in new folders, etc. It worked for him. He's now number 1 in his spot and even more so, if you do a search for his name, the whole front page of his search is now his. So now, he thanks the cheaters for making these killer optimized pages that he would "take" from them and add to his domain. I'm sure many will different opinions about this, but it's kind of funny when he gets emails from the cheaters all pissed off because he took their pages and added them to his own domain. When in fact, these pages were built and optimized with his name to steal traffic from him while attempting to gain rankings for his domain search. Either way, it's just another idea to throw out in the open and let the chips fall where they may. Good luck. __________________ HomemadeVideoPass.com - High converting Homemade mega site! StolenPornVideos.com - The hottest site on the web converting like crazy! ReelPass.com - Offer your surfers 15+ exclusive movie sites for one low price

06-23-2004, 03:30 PM	#92
titmowse Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: TEXAS Posts: 5,320	just in case you don't have this, mr Latona: Google Inc. 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway Mountain View CA 94043 phone: (650) 623-4000 fax: (650) 618-1499 __________________ I still love everybody

06-23-2004, 03:42 PM	#93
StarkReality Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: 4 8 15 16 23 42 Posts: 4,444	When a site is banned, the backlinks to you get deleted from their database. When the ban occurred shortly before the PR update, only few links to you were registered by the bot. This would explain why it's only 3, once google slowly crawls all the other links again, PR will rise again, but don't expect 8 at the next update, this process can be pretty slow. You are definately not banned any more, so it should just be a matter of time to get back where you were...sux because the ban probably was an automatic one, alot of huge sites (not just adult) with many subpages and pr6+ were banned lately, many totally unjustified...maybe some bug

06-23-2004, 04:26 PM	#95
http Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 1,811	Sue 1000 or so webmasters in 100 countries... ah ok Your best bet is to encourage webmasters to join your program, achieve good positions for "consumption junction" and related terms and send that traffic YOUR way - where it belongs. This way you'll end up on top on all engines in the long term, and stay there even with changing search engine algorithms The reason MANY SEO send their SE traffic to random, unrelated sites is they don't have the patience to target the audience of their doorways manually, or not the skills to do it automatically I agree that sending "Consumption Junction" traffic to somewhere should not "be tops with you" but... Right now you sound as if it'd make no difference to you whether the traffic in question is sent to YOU or someone else. Meaning that you just may sue someone who is sending CJ search engine queries to CJ. I for one DO send SE traffic to sites (not yours) using i.e. the site names and have yet to get a single complaint from the program owners The whole "it's my name/trademark so I must be #1 in google" approach just ain't fly with google. It is not going to happen. It may happen through the algorithm but not through "demanding" it. And you stand no chance in court against google in such a case - and very understandably so. From the point of view of a SE someone looking for "Microsoft something blabla" isn't necessarily looking for microsoft.com. And so on I think recently there was a porn starlet on here complaining that someone "stole" or whatever "her" positions and her name in google. I am not sure whether the webmaster in question sent that traffic to a) a unrelated site or b) her "original" site or c) to a site featuring her - with legit content that she got paid for. I don't see anything legally or morally wrong with sending "Pornstar Jamie Fuckme" search engine queries to the "original Jamie Fuckme site" or - if such site does a) not exist or b) has no affiliate program - to a general Porn Stars site that has content of Jamie Fuckme I am fully aware that many think they can just sue away everyone in front of them in google and then magically end up on top. I am just pointing out that this is not only wrong but also stupid on many levels. Carry on...