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Old 06-09-2004, 07:28 PM   #201
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I didn't think you were out looking for drama either. I think it's absurd for them to make the request & in the same breathe make it a point to ask you to continue to promote them afterwards. The fact that you're posting your situation here - where everyone is baffled, may shed some light on the ones making the request. They may actually realize the complexity of what they are asking you to do.
I can't believe that this post was made on GFY. You've earned yourself serious kudos from me, wow. I seriously hope the thread helps in that aspect as well, but somehow I'm not sure if it's going to.

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Old 06-09-2004, 07:28 PM   #202
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Where's the love in this thread, man? C'mon let's break out the marshmallows, I feel a good ole koombaya coming on!
Fuck that was funny!!! Is that really how it is spelled? koombaya?
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Old 06-09-2004, 07:29 PM   #203
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Shut it newbie.
Oh we are going to have soooooo much fun.
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Oh we are going to have soooooo much fun.
Actually, I've already bought the whiffle bats. Now, where to get an industrial sized bucket of peanut butter is another matter altogether.
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Old 06-09-2004, 07:33 PM   #205
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Actually, I've already bought the whiffle bats. Now, where to get an industrial sized bucket of peanut butter is another matter altogether.
I have a source on those, no worries. They'll even give us great pricing, we may need it after this thread.
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Fuck that was funny!!! Is that really how it is spelled? koombaya?
I dunno, I'm just in it for the shits and giggles
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Actually, I've already bought the whiffle bats. Now, where to get an industrial sized bucket of peanut butter is another matter altogether.

Price Club or Club Price maybe?
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Saweeeeeeeeeeet... Now I need to find an inside source on jumper cables and we're all set!
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I can't believe I just read 5 pages of posts on GFY.

Now Jact and LadyM know how much I luv 'em.

Hope you guys get this stuff straightened out soon. You guys are stand up people!

I'm just wondering when this mysterious sponsor is going to come out of the woodwork to defend themselves....



It's not us jact, is it? You would tell me if it was... wouldn't you?
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Old 06-09-2004, 07:35 PM   #211
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first off..I never claimed to be a player.
second, I wasn't the one that came in here acting all cool trying to tell other people what they knew and rub it in their face. That was you. Now, if you can't handle that you were wrong, that's not my problem.

And no bow. You could appologize for being an asshole and maybe be cool about it, or not. That's up to you.

Alright, two things and i'll let you go.

1) Wrong? Depends what your goals are here. But on this particular note, talking about the sponsor in an open forum without mentioning who it is, helps no one. Obviously, it's helps Jact when they show the sponsor this thread..that goes without saying. People who know who it is, good for you. People who don't want to pull their links so they don't get fucked. Same thing happend with PIB. Obviously, Jact won't post while they're in negotiations.

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I can't believe I just read 5 pages of posts on GFY.

Now Jact and LadyM know how much I luv 'em.

Hope you guys get this stuff straightened out soon. You guys are stand up people!

I'm just wondering when this mysterious sponsor is going to come out of the woodwork to defend themselves....



It's not us jact, is it? You would tell me if it was... wouldn't you?
I'd tell you. I mean after all, we have a teddy bear named after you. In a dress, no less.
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I can't believe I just read 5 pages of posts on GFY.

Now Jact and LadyM know how much I luv 'em.

Hope you guys get this stuff straightened out soon. You guys are stand up people!

I'm just wondering when this mysterious sponsor is going to come out of the woodwork to defend themselves....



It's not us jact, is it? You would tell me if it was... wouldn't you?
I'll let you know next week when I turn on the flood gates to promote you, bro
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wow theres a bunch of players hanging out in this thread
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I'd tell you. I mean after all, we have a teddy bear named after you. In a dress, no less.

It's fitting. I'd dress up as a teddy bear and wear a dress for you two any day
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I'll love you long time
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I can't believe I just read 5 pages of posts on GFY.

Now Jact and LadyM know how much I luv 'em.

Hope you guys get this stuff straightened out soon. You guys are stand up people!

I'm just wondering when this mysterious sponsor is going to come out of the woodwork to defend themselves....



It's not us jact, is it? You would tell me if it was... wouldn't you?
no way dude, you're the tastykake pimp! you're safe from our wrath
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A red dress? With flowers? That's what this teddy bear is wearing
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A red dress? With flowers? That's what this teddy bear is wearing

hah! Well... there's a full pooh bear costume here. My fiance wears it every halloween... and sometimes when we're just... you know...
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hell yeah! Let me know when you get 'em. You gotta take a pic and post it.
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hell yeah! Let me know when you get 'em. You gotta take a pic and post it.

hahaha, just saw the pics! thanks for the link jact!
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Interesting thread.

Good luck getting it worked out.

Oh and for the record, even tho the issue might get resolved, I'd think twice before using this sponsor.
This is some crazy shit, the situation would never have come up in the first place if the sponsor had a clue.

I'm going back to bed, drama makes me sleepy.

G'night.
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Alright, two things and i'll let you go.

1) Wrong? Depends what your goals are here. But on this particular note, talking about the sponsor in an open forum without mentioning who it is, helps no one. Obviously, it's helps Jact when they show the sponsor this thread..that goes without saying. People who know who it is, good for you. People who don't want to pull their links so they don't get fucked. Same thing happend with PIB. Obviously, Jact won't post while they're in negotiations.

2) I must thank you for the new webmasters. You did well son.

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hah! Well... there's a full pooh bear costume here. My fiance wears it every halloween... and sometimes when we're just... you know...
this statement is meaningless without pics
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hahaha, just saw the pics! thanks for the link jact!
i dunno where to start, but rest assured ima be covered in chocolate and crumbs soon

thanks a bunch dude, i showed the pic to my mom and she says "tell him i'm fond of godiva"
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I'd be interested to know who this sponsor is too. I have over 40 sponsors, and if I have links up to these asswipes I would love to pull them over this. J & LM = good people, and you don't fuck over good people like this.


If they don't pay you and it comes to no other option... out them. Out the hell out of them. You know I'll have your backs should you need the support.
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What a mess...

Seems like the two most valuable things at stake here are your partner accounts and their "reputation."

Hopefully they'll come to their senses, but I sure as fuck wouldn't risk my partner accounts over these numbnuts. Yes, even if that meant leaving the galleries be and sending them even more sales.

You would think they wouldn't want to be outed, though.

FUCK, you made them 500 sales. They must just not be able to pay. If I was them I'd make arrangements.
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What a mess...

Seems like the two most valuable things at stake here are your partner accounts and their "reputation."

Hopefully they'll come to their senses, but I sure as fuck wouldn't risk my partner accounts over these numbnuts. Yes, even if that meant leaving the galleries be and sending them even more sales.

You would think they wouldn't want to be outed, though.

FUCK, you made them 500 sales. They must just not be able to pay. If I was them I'd make arrangements.
Thanks man And you're right the partner accounts are not worth risking in this case
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i dunno where to start, but rest assured ima be covered in chocolate and crumbs soon

thanks a bunch dude, i showed the pic to my mom and she says "tell him i'm fond of godiva"

but Godiva's not philly tradition

and you're very welcome. Gotta stay true to your philly roots.
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Hopefully they'll come to their senses, but I sure as fuck wouldn't risk my partner accounts over these numbnuts. Yes, even if that meant leaving the galleries be and sending them even more sales.
Exactly. I don't know what the dialogue is between Jact, LM and this sponsor, but this is about the best advice I've read here so far, it's what I would do. It's one thing to discontinue any new promotions of them at their request, but it is quite another to have the rest of your business damaged over this one idiot sponsor.

I hope they pay up, but if they don't come to their senses then I can't wait to read about who it is. I can see dozens, if not hundreds of webmasters pulling their links, as well they should. No one sponsor anywhere is too valuable that some other sponsor can't just as easily take their place.
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And you're right the partner accounts are not worth risking in this case

I agree to a point. As partner accounts become harder and harder to get, it's not worth it. But at the same time, instead of emailing tons of tpgs with an explanation, email the important ones that send huge traffic so at least you can get the galleries off those ones. Concentrate on a few and opposed to all of them. As for the rest, don't know...leave them as blueboy mentioned.
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I can keep submitting, right? You'll keep listing me, right? I mean, what's a hundred 404'd galleries, it's nothing..

Sure, my script auto scans for 404s every night at 11:59:59PM anyway.

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Exactly. I don't know what the dialogue is between Jact, LM and this sponsor, but this is about the best advice I've read here so far, it's what I would do. It's one thing to discontinue any new promotions of them at their request, but it is quite another to have the rest of your business damaged over this one idiot sponsor.

I hope they pay up, but if they don't come to their senses then I can't wait to read about who it is. I can see dozens, if not hundreds of webmasters pulling their links, as well they should. No one sponsor anywhere is too valuable that some other sponsor can't just as easily take their place.
This isn't about pay, I'm not worried that they aren't going to pay, I'm sure they will, or they won't, but at least I hope they will, but this isn't what it's about.

The pay is secondary to our business. That is exactly what this is, business, this isn't the schoolyard, you don't say it's okay for affiliate A to use the content and you say it's okay for affiliate B to use the content then go and tell affiliate A that you don't want them using the content anymore and please remove it immediately or we'll lock your account isn't exactly fair, when affiliates B - ZY497B are still allowed to use the content.

Maybe it's a respect thing? A wanting to be treated fairly thing? I don't know. I'm rambling now.
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Exactly. I don't know what the dialogue is between Jact, LM and this sponsor, but this is about the best advice I've read here so far, it's what I would do. It's one thing to discontinue any new promotions of them at their request, but it is quite another to have the rest of your business damaged over this one idiot sponsor.

I hope they pay up, but if they don't come to their senses then I can't wait to read about who it is. I can see dozens, if not hundreds of webmasters pulling their links, as well they should. No one sponsor anywhere is too valuable that some other sponsor can't just as easily take their place.
Yes, it's unfortunate that the situation comes to this, but maybe Jact and LM can take solace in the fact that it looks as if they are doing much better than this sponsor.
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This isn't about pay, I'm not worried that they aren't going to pay, I'm sure they will, or they won't, but at least I hope they will, but this isn't what it's about.

The pay is secondary to our business. That is exactly what this is, business, this isn't the schoolyard, you don't say it's okay for affiliate A to use the content and you say it's okay for affiliate B to use the content then go and tell affiliate A that you don't want them using the content anymore and please remove it immediately or we'll lock your account isn't exactly fair, when affiliates B - ZY497B are still allowed to use the content.

Maybe it's a respect thing? A wanting to be treated fairly thing? I don't know. I'm rambling now.
Well this is it too.. Should we be made to pay for use of content that we are not the only ones using? If this is the case, ALL their affiliates should be required to discontinue use of the content. Why isn't that happening?
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Old 06-09-2004, 08:30 PM   #239
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Jact and Lady Mischief, I hope you get through this and if you don't you have some great advice in here on what to do to avoid 404's.

I run a few TGP/MGPs and would be pissed if I found a shit load of 404s, but I would just delete the links and forget about it. But that's me.

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Old 06-09-2004, 08:31 PM   #240
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The pay is secondary to our business. That is exactly what this is, business, this isn't the schoolyard, you don't say it's okay for affiliate A to use the content and you say it's okay for affiliate B to use the content then go and tell affiliate A that you don't want them using the content anymore and please remove it immediately or we'll lock your account isn't exactly fair, when affiliates B - ZY497B are still allowed to use the content.
Fuck, the situation is worse than I thought. Sorry I didn't realize they were saying to pull the content.
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Old 06-09-2004, 08:34 PM   #241
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Exactly. I don't know what the dialogue is between Jact, LM and this sponsor, but this is about the best advice I've read here so far, it's what I would do. It's one thing to discontinue any new promotions of them at their request, but it is quite another to have the rest of your business damaged over this one idiot sponsor.

I hope they pay up, but if they don't come to their senses then I can't wait to read about who it is. I can see dozens, if not hundreds of webmasters pulling their links, as well they should. No one sponsor anywhere is too valuable that some other sponsor can't just as easily take their place.

The weirdest part is that they WANT them to continue to promote them afterwards - which is quite blatant if you ask me - first you screw me over with no lube, then you expect me to suck you dry.....doesn't make sense.

Anyhow, if you care to give better details of their plan, jact or LadyM.....

1) Are they paying you for the 500 sales?
2) Will they pay you for the rebills?

As everyone said, the simplest thing is to let your galleries stay rather than lose your partner accounts - but as I understood it, they don't want those images online, right? So it's not like you have much of a choice - either that or risk them 'accusing' you of unauthorized use of their content?


EDIT: FYI - didn't read the few posts above mine. So the financial aspect hasn't been resolved + to make matters worst, they are allowing other webmasters to use the content but they aren't allowing you?!@!#$@$!
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Fuck, the situation is worse than I thought. Sorry I didn't realize they were saying to pull the content.
Yes, they were implying it was obtained in a way that was unacceptable, when in face this is not the case. Unfortunately it would be a relatively serious thing to remove the galleries frivilously, one that would cost us far more than the revenue generated.
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The weirdest part is that they WANT them to continue to promote them afterwards - which is quite blatant if you ask me - first you screw me over with no lube, then you expect me to suck you dry.....doesn't make sense.

Anyhow, if you care to give better details of their plan, jact or LadyM.....

1) Are they paying you for the 500 sales?
2) Will they pay you for the rebills?

As everyone said, the simplest thing is to let your galleries stay rather than lose your partner accounts - but as I understood it, they don't want those images online, right? So it's not like you have much of a choice - either that or risk them 'accusing' you of unauthorized use of their content?


EDIT: FYI - didn't read the few posts above mine. So the financial aspect hasn't been resolved + to make matters worst, they are allowing other webmasters to use the content but they aren't allowing you?!@!#$@$

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Oh no, the images are online in their members areas. Someone in their operation is under the impression they are not released and that I obtained them inappropriately. Any joe with a password could see that this is not the case. There are other issues but they're really not worthwhile mentioning. They are relatively trivial. This situation, however, I believe the gravity of the request, especially considering the context, is more serious than they realize.
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Yes, they were implying it was obtained in a way that was unacceptable, when in face this is not the case. Unfortunately it would be a relatively serious thing to remove the galleries frivilously, one that would cost us far more than the revenue generated.
Out of curiosity, once this settles, what content will you be using to promote them (if you so decided to do so)?
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This isn't about pay, I'm not worried that they aren't going to pay, I'm sure they will, or they won't, but at least I hope they will, but this isn't what it's about.

The pay is secondary to our business. That is exactly what this is, business, this isn't the schoolyard, you don't say it's okay for affiliate A to use the content and you say it's okay for affiliate B to use the content then go and tell affiliate A that you don't want them using the content anymore and please remove it immediately or we'll lock your account isn't exactly fair, when affiliates B - ZY497B are still allowed to use the content.

Maybe it's a respect thing? A wanting to be treated fairly thing? I don't know. I'm rambling now.
Okay, fair enough... it may not be about pay for you, but I assure you it will be about pay to a lot of their other affiliates. If they pull this shit on you and get away with it then who's to say they can't pull the same act on anyone else?

I see your point about the unfairness of it... I actually understood that point from page one here. :D

Man, don't even think about altering those galleries. Tell them to go fuck themselves if they know so little about how TGP submitting works. They should fucking know better.
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Out of curiosity, once this settles, what content will you be using to promote them (if you so decided to do so)?
Well.. Like I've said before.. unless they give it to me, anythign I have is like trying to sell apples with pictures of oranges.
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Man, don't even think about altering those galleries. Tell them to go fuck themselves.
This would be my advice as well. What will they do if you refuse to remove the galleries?
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This would be my advice as well. What will they do if you refuse to remove the galleries?
Prolly won't get any credit for the sales, even tho they are paying the BW, and it's not one or two joins a day
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No, if it was an issue of copyright infringement I wouldn't have an issue. But we have infringed on nothing, we used their content under their guidelines.
OK, I'm trying to think this thing through.

The partner accounts are your first priority. The way to protect them is, leave the galleries up. That's EASY.

The sponsor/content provider wants you to take the galleries down. So?

If you are using their content pursuant to their guidelines, you have a licence. They tell you to pull the content, just say "Sorry, that would have commercially unacceptable consequences for us, we won't do it."

What are they going to do? Send you a DCMA "Notice and Take Down"? So send 'em an "I have the right to this content" DCMA counter-notice. Your hosting provider, if he's good, will honor your counter-notice, and you'll be good until the sponsor sues you.

When he does, so what? He'll try to establish actual or statutory damages, you'll try to establish that you had a licence and so no damages are due. It sounds like this dispute is worth some lawyer fees. At some point during this process, your lawyer can point out to their lawyer the economic value of your partner accounts, and explain that if they terminate your license without cause, they will be liable for the damages you suffer. Odds are, your potential damages are at least as big as the damages they could recover in a copyright suit, even if they could win one.

So what am I missing? If the partner accounts are the priority here, tell your sponsor to go fuck himself, and let the lawyers sort it out. The volume of business you are talking about, it sounds like a no-brainer to me.
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I'm so sorry to hear you guys are still fighting this. What a nightmare! You should be getting fruit baskets, not ridiculous demands.

I'm actually surprised the thread is so free of spam. Where are all the "promote my honest program instead!" vultures???
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