question for wartards: has the war made America safer?

[DarkJedi]

AQ wasn't running around Iraq chopping off people's heads before. Osama didn't even like the secular Saddam.

As the war was never about WMDs, wasn't about caring for the Iraqi people (if it was, than why all the cries to nuke them?), what was it for?

To remove Saddam and make the world a safer place? Is it a safer place now - with AQ running loose in Iraq and prison photos which can be used as anti-American propaganda? Did an inept invasion that made sure to guard the oilfields but can't give Iraqis security win any Arabs to our side?

[DR_PHIL]

see other 1000 threads about this, specifically the one about some guys son

[ALiEn_OuT]

I don't think the world is gonna be safer any time soon.

[tbabe]

Hard to say, if they had not gone to war, maybe there would have been even more attacks. All the military action has probably kept the terrorists off guard, but im not sure how many actual terror attacks its prevented.

[stev0]

I think it made America 10 times more likely to suffer another attack... now instead of a few pissed off people, there are millions.

[DaddyHalbucks]

DarkJedi wrote:

has the war made America safer?
++++++++++++++++

In what time period?

In 30 days? NO.
In 6 months? NO.
In 1 year? NO.
In 2 years? Maybe.

3+ years? Yes, no doubt.

Muammar Quadafi already changed his tune and other despots are watching closely.

[Corleone]

sure its the safest place on earth now...

only 50000 sleepers are working on the next big terror attack now...

and the US politic made only 500000 new enemies in one year .. so everythings fine i think

[Corleone]

and the homeland security says the situation is only
"elevated" .. thats normal i think...

[StuartD]

If anything, all the US did was take that 1/3 of the world that doesn't like them and expanded upon it.

That doesn't do much to prevent terrorism.

[m00d]

we'll never be safe until we take our dicks out of the sand of someone else's desert

[Babel]

Buy a gun, you will feel safer

[Paul Markham]

Why does anyone think Bush could do anything right?

Someone want to list his successes? Other than making a few multi millionaires richer.

[xenophobic]

Originally posted by DarkJedi
AQ wasn't running around Iraq chopping off people's heads before.

Maybe not Iraq, but they did it in Pakistan with Daniel Pearl?
There is always a "before", before Al-Quada wasn't flying planes into buildings, adapt.

[bizmak]

No way it's safer man .. No way

[woj]

It's not any safer now...

[Daft]

there's a war going on now??

[TheFrog]

Originally posted by woj
It's not any safer now...

[Firehorse]

Originally posted by charly
Why does anyone think Bush could do anything right?

Someone want to list his successes? Other than making a few multi millionaires richer.

Paul, I have to agree with that totally!

[Jakke PNG]

Originally posted by m00d
we'll never be safe until we take our dicks out of the sand of someone else's desert

I *HATE* it when someone has his dick in my dessert. I bet those muslims do too.

[Axeman]

Hell No

[painintheass]

You can not stop determind terrorists.
The war on terrorism is about as effective as the war on drugs. Millons, perhaps billions spent and any 14 year old in highschool can get dope.

Terrorists are the same way. Spend billions, invade 100s of countries, imprison thousands of suspects and they will still come.

But if you really want to the road map to safety here it is.

1)Facial recongntion software.

2)Huge databases of every criminal in the world. ( Include jay walkers)

3)DNA blood test for all foriegners entering your country.

4) Manditory satellite and electronic survalence of all people visiting the country.

5) Profile everyone and bar code anyone that is out of the norm.

6) Monitor all communications, watch for key words. Conduct random house to house searchs across the country.

7) Remove all classified ads from newspapers because they can conceal secret messages.

8)Don`t allow anyone to own a fire arm. For hunting purpose or otherwise.

9) Radom road blocks and check everyone`s identities.

10) Issue travel visas for citizens to commute within their own country.

11) On suspicion of possiable threat alllow people to be detained indefinately. Until such time as threat is deemed over.

12) Expand interogation techniques to include experimental drugs, use of torture on the suspects family and friends and even possiable surgery to force compliance.

13) Restructure the public`s thought process by removing "hostile words" from the dictionary. Words like revolution, insurection, hate and even love. Only words that promote loyalty to the state are acceptable.

14) Snitch lines with prizes and rewards for people turning in un-desirables.

15) Determine who gets to parent offspring. Then seperate all children from parents at birth.

16) All children must attend maditory military schools.

17) Destroy all lititure and art that is profane, obscene or promotes un-desireable ideals.

18) Bi-yearly "citizenship" classes. Test include why being a citizen of this country is better than any other.

19) Use the media to profile those that don`t conform. Televise prison trials and create weekly movie specials on executions.

20) Give law enforcement discreationary powers to render criminal judgement and sentencing for crimes in progress.

Do all of this and the terrorists of the world will lose. Citizens will at last be able to sleep comfortable that they are safe. They won`t be free but at least they will be safe.

Pain in the ass

[Jakke PNG]

Originally posted by painintheass
You can not stop determind terrorists.
The war on terrorism is about as effective as the war on drugs. Millons, perhaps billions spent and any 14 year old in highschool can get dope.

Terrorists are the same way. Spend billions, invade 100s of countries, imprison thousands of suspects and they will still come.

But if you really want to the road map to safety here it is.

1)Facial recongntion software.

2)Huge databases of every criminal in the world. ( Include jay walkers)

3)DNA blood test for all foriegners entering your country.

4) Manditory satellite and electronic survalence of all people visiting the country.

5) Profile everyone and bar code anyone that is out of the norm.

6) Monitor all communications, watch for key words. Conduct random house to house searchs across the country.

7) Remove all classified ads from newspapers because they can conceal secret messages.

8)Don`t allow anyone to own a fire arm. For hunting purpose or otherwise.

9) Radom road blocks and check everyone`s identities.

10) Issue travel visas for citizens to commute within their own country.

11) On suspicion of possiable threat alllow people to be detained indefinately. Until such time as threat is deemed over.

12) Expand interogation techniques to include experimental drugs, use of torture on the suspects family and friends and even possiable surgery to force compliance.

13) Restructure the public`s thought process by removing "hostile words" from the dictionary. Words like revolution, insurection, hate and even love. Only words that promote loyalty to the state are acceptable.

14) Snitch lines with prizes and rewards for people turning in un-desirables.

15) Determine who gets to parent offspring. Then seperate all children from parents at birth.

16) All children must attend maditory military schools.

17) Destroy all lititure and art that is profane, obscene or promotes un-desireable ideals.

18) Bi-yearly "citizenship" classes. Test include why being a citizen of this country is better than any other.

19) Use the media to profile those that don`t conform. Televise prison trials and create weekly movie specials on executions.

20) Give law enforcement discreationary powers to render criminal judgement and sentencing for crimes in progress.

Do all of this and the terrorists of the world will lose. Citizens will at last be able to sleep comfortable that they are safe. They won`t be free but at least they will be safe.

Pain in the ass

That'll happen sooner or later.

[<IMX>]

1984...

Originally posted by painintheass
You can not stop determind terrorists.
The war on terrorism is about as effective as the war on drugs. Millons, perhaps billions spent and any 14 year old in highschool can get dope.

Terrorists are the same way. Spend billions, invade 100s of countries, imprison thousands of suspects and they will still come.

But if you really want to the road map to safety here it is.

1)Facial recongntion software.

2)Huge databases of every criminal in the world. ( Include jay walkers)

3)DNA blood test for all foriegners entering your country.

4) Manditory satellite and electronic survalence of all people visiting the country.

5) Profile everyone and bar code anyone that is out of the norm.

6) Monitor all communications, watch for key words. Conduct random house to house searchs across the country.

7) Remove all classified ads from newspapers because they can conceal secret messages.

8)Don`t allow anyone to own a fire arm. For hunting purpose or otherwise.

9) Radom road blocks and check everyone`s identities.

10) Issue travel visas for citizens to commute within their own country.

11) On suspicion of possiable threat alllow people to be detained indefinately. Until such time as threat is deemed over.

12) Expand interogation techniques to include experimental drugs, use of torture on the suspects family and friends and even possiable surgery to force compliance.

13) Restructure the public`s thought process by removing "hostile words" from the dictionary. Words like revolution, insurection, hate and even love. Only words that promote loyalty to the state are acceptable.

14) Snitch lines with prizes and rewards for people turning in un-desirables.

15) Determine who gets to parent offspring. Then seperate all children from parents at birth.

16) All children must attend maditory military schools.

17) Destroy all lititure and art that is profane, obscene or promotes un-desireable ideals.

18) Bi-yearly "citizenship" classes. Test include why being a citizen of this country is better than any other.

19) Use the media to profile those that don`t conform. Televise prison trials and create weekly movie specials on executions.

20) Give law enforcement discreationary powers to render criminal judgement and sentencing for crimes in progress.

Do all of this and the terrorists of the world will lose. Citizens will at last be able to sleep comfortable that they are safe. They won`t be free but at least they will be safe.

Pain in the ass