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Oracle Porn · 03-18-2004, 09:55 PM

50 biz tips and tricks

ToolGuy · 03-18-2004, 09:56 PM

Working the web is just a numbers game so I would say first thing you need to do no matter what product or service you are planning on selling is FOCUS ON GETTING TRAFFIC!
No matter what the sources of your traffic are be sure that you can control where it all goes either by sending it all to one site (a hub) or by redirecting it via your server or scripts since this will allows be your most valuable assett. It doesn't matter how kick ass your site looks or how great your product is if nobody is seeing it then nobody is buying it.
With enough traffic you can literally sell ice to eskimoes!

Rankings · 03-18-2004, 09:57 PM

DONT GIVE AWAY YOUR SECRETS OR TIPS

pradaboy · 03-18-2004, 10:01 PM

love life

SoundMan · 03-18-2004, 10:02 PM

Here is mine:

If you start a dream project Fucking Finish it!

this has always been my down fall..

START IT - FINISH IT!

2ND

Never rely on anyone..........

Do it yourself ! .............

foreverjason · 03-18-2004, 10:14 PM

Partners can be your greatest asset or liability, pick carefully.

patrack · 03-18-2004, 10:17 PM

If you want to truly make it in life, you need to KNOW who you are dealing with at all times. That's why the absolute BEST advise I have ever received has been the following.

If the last name of the person you're dealing with contains 'berg', 'wicz', 'sky', 'vitz', 'rosen', 'artz', 'stein', 'man', 'baum', 'gold', 'silver', 'thal', 'ller', 'stone', then PROCEED WITH CAUTION

- patrack

jmarzlak · 03-18-2004, 10:23 PM

the golden rule: treat each other how you would like to be treated

jawanda · 03-18-2004, 10:57 PM

Business is RUTHLESS.

Do you want industry respect? YES.

Do you need traffic? YES.

Do you need to 'duplicate what works' ? YES!

But most importantly, you need to be RUTHLESS when it comes to following your INSTINCTS and running with something that you feel can be profitable.

NO ONE is going to wait around and congratulate you for your good idea, they are going to STEAL it, and for fucks sake, you shouldn't be afraid to do the same. In this biz, the early bird really DOES get the worm.

If it's legal, and it will make you money, do it.

DON'T BE AFRAID OF YOUR OWN SUCCESS, because there are one hundred guys standing behind you who have NO problem copying your idea and doing it 10x.

I still remember the day that I saw that movie (What was it, American Pie? Can't Hardly Wait?) and thought, "I wonder if milf.com is available? That could be big." Of course, it was only a few days after the movie came out and the domain was available, but I never bought it because I second guessed myself...

If only ... If only...

Never say those words again.

-P

sixxxth_sense · 03-18-2004, 10:59 PM

CHeck my sigg!

I think most of us, if not all started doing galleries!!! That is the thing that helped us build traffic and throw it arround. SE traffic is hard to earn now. It aint like 96, where u can throw 10000000 kyewoards and be out there fore eeverything!

Danielle · 03-18-2004, 11:07 PM

Do the exact opposite of what ever Oracle Porn says to do.

Hugs,
Danielle

Bigfuck · 03-18-2004, 11:48 PM

You have to invest to make money in the beginning reinvest 100%
in your adult biz
when you start to get a good cashflow reinvest 50% of the money you make in adult in other things like real estate or shares
and 50% in your adult biz

03-18-2004, 11:52 PM

Rusty: Why do this?
Danny: Why not do it?
[Rusty shakes his head]
Danny: Cause yesterday I walked out of the joint after losing four years of my life and you're cold-decking teen beat cover boys.
[pause]
Danny: Cause the house always wins. Play long enough, you never change the stakes. The house takes you. Unless, when that perfect hand comes along, you bet big, then you take the house.
Rusty: Been practicing this speech, haven't you?
Danny: Little bit. Did I rush it? Felt I rushed it.
Rusty: No, it was good, I liked it.

XLegendX · 03-18-2004, 11:54 PM

Clearly, the most intelligent advice one could give in this business is to not post their business tips, tricks etc... because you know what? Someone will just take your business ideas, concepts, run off and fart in your face.

I'll take my $1,200. via paypal.

Thanks in advance ~
Legend

skillfull · 03-19-2004, 12:30 AM

hum
always have a backup plan ready
try to depands the less possible of others

Oracle Porn · 03-19-2004, 04:25 AM

abyss_al · 03-19-2004, 04:26 AM

buy high - sell low !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bling bling in no time

LowRider · 03-19-2004, 04:39 AM

NEVER start out in this biz with a paysite...

maxjohan · 03-19-2004, 04:54 AM

The Power of Creativity

A blind man sat on the steps of a building with a Hat by his feet and a sign that read:
"I am blind, please help".

A creative publicist was walking by him and stopped to observe, he only had a few coins in his hat.

He dropped a few more coins into the hat and without saying anything, took the sign, turned it around, and wrote a sentence on it.

He placed the sign by the blind man's feet and left.

That afternoon the creative publicist returned by the blind man and noticed that his hat was full of bills and coins. The blind man recognized his footsteps and asked if it was him who had re-written his sign and he wanted to know what did he write on it?

The publicist responded:
"Nothing that was not true, I just rewrote your sign differently".

He smiled and went on his way. The blind man never knew, but his new sign read:

"Today is Spring and I Cannot See it".

- Change your strategy when something does not go your way.
- Present yourself in a different way when things are not working out.
- A change in outlook can turn your life around.

strobi · 03-19-2004, 04:57 AM

forget about galleries

maxjohan · 03-19-2004, 05:10 AM

The funny things is I was thinking about
a contest just like this 1 hour ago. And the funniest thing
is that what has been in my mind this week have been
posted on gfy moments later...

LowRider · 03-19-2004, 05:18 AM

Stick to a niche you know well, e.g. don't do bondage, if you don't dig it - it'll shine through...

Towser · 03-19-2004, 05:32 AM

You are NEVER as good as you think you are.

Sylver7 · 03-19-2004, 06:16 AM

Don't stand up in a canoe and completely maximize your traffic.

Reak · 03-19-2004, 06:18 AM

So you make a contest, and let other people give away the prizes without donating one on your own?

benc · 03-19-2004, 06:23 AM

Never underestimate the other guy's greed.

PhotoGreggXXX · 03-19-2004, 06:36 AM

Secret to success:
1- persistence
2 - luck
3 - the persistent always get lucky

juicybucks · 03-19-2004, 06:39 AM

promote , promote, promote, regardless of your budget.
For example... if anyone wants a JuicyBucks mousepad just icq me

GeorgeK · 03-19-2004, 06:59 AM

My best advice to folks (forget about prizes, etc.) is to always make sure that you have LEGAL CONTROL of the company. 50.1% ownership, whatever (100% is best), and if you are involved with other people, GET THINGS IN WRITING.

There are always some nutballs out there that will make life difficult, but if you have control, and you have things in writing, you alone determine your fate. While you can get rich by working for someone else, or being a minority owner, control is more likely to pay off big in the end.

johnbosh · 03-19-2004, 07:05 AM

Discipline - You have to have the dicipline to wait and build

alexg · 03-19-2004, 07:05 AM

here's my tip.

Develop various routines and shortcuts that will help you do your work faster. If you are focusing on TGP and freesite submissions, make a list with links to all the TGP's that you submit to, and use an automatic form filler to submit faster, make gallery templates that will be easy foryou to alter quickly.
If you run paysites, use a software that will let you update all your pay sites quickly.

No matter what you're focusing on, you should set some time aside to create work routines that will save you more time in the long run.

Reak · 03-19-2004, 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by juicybucks
promote , promote, promote, regardless of your budget.
For example... if anyone wants a JuicyBucks mousepad just icq me

Whats your ICQ?

Cr34t1v3 · 03-19-2004, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by maxjohan
The Power of Creativity

A blind man sat on the steps of a building with a Hat by his feet and a sign that read:
"I am blind, please help".

A creative publicist was walking by him and stopped to observe, he only had a few coins in his hat.

He dropped a few more coins into the hat and without saying anything, took the sign, turned it around, and wrote a sentence on it.

He placed the sign by the blind man's feet and left.

That afternoon the creative publicist returned by the blind man and noticed that his hat was full of bills and coins. The blind man recognized his footsteps and asked if it was him who had re-written his sign and he wanted to know what did he write on it?

The publicist responded:
"Nothing that was not true, I just rewrote your sign differently".

He smiled and went on his way. The blind man never knew, but his new sign read:

"Today is Spring and I Cannot See it".

- Change your strategy when something does not go your way.
- Present yourself in a different way when things are not working out.
- A change in outlook can turn your life around.

Very well put.

I will add this.

- to remember that what your selling/presenting must appeal to
your customers even if it doesn't appeal to you. You're not the
one buying it. They are.

I learned a long time ago to stop designing what I liked...and design what "they" like. Know you're target demographic and
give them what they want.

sickkittens · 03-19-2004, 09:11 AM

don't start projects you can't finish

sickkittens · 03-19-2004, 09:12 AM

set priorities - don't start new projects if more important ones aren't finished

sickkittens · 03-19-2004, 09:13 AM

always think of new ways to make more money

sickkittens · 03-19-2004, 09:14 AM

network. network. network. Make contacts, etc. but only rely on yourself 100%.

sickkittens · 03-19-2004, 09:15 AM

Always have a backup plan (or 2) in case of failure or dissapointment.

sickkittens · 03-19-2004, 09:16 AM

Be brandable - make yourself standout and be unique. Create an image that is easy recognizable and one that can easily connect you with your quality.

sickkittens · 03-19-2004, 09:18 AM

Don't put your eggs in one basket - don't rely on one source of traffic or money and don't spend more than you can make.

Repetitive Monkey · 03-19-2004, 09:18 AM

Jot down all ideas you come up with, no matter how crude, and work hard on the idea that fascinates you the most at any particular point in time.

This ensures that you keep your fingers (and mind) working hard, whereas if you worked on one project/idea at a time you would have more low efficiency peaks and a higher stress level.

That's my modus operandi at least.

j85635 · 03-19-2004, 10:02 AM

Stop giving away FREE hardcore porn morons!!

Gunni · 03-19-2004, 10:05 AM

My best advice (didn't read all the replys so sorry if anyone has already said this)

If you have an idea to make millions, don't sell it for $1200....

mhende6600 · 03-19-2004, 10:18 AM

Don't get high on your own supply.

Doctor Dre · 03-19-2004, 10:34 AM

Do NOT trust Oracle Porn with money . He'll take it all.

Doctor Dre

modelgigtalent · 03-19-2004, 10:38 AM

Create a product that nobody else has that will help everyone, some examples are Paypal, eBay, etc.

Brad Gosse · 03-19-2004, 10:46 AM

Roll the dice once in a while and take risks.

If you wait for someone else to tell you something is working it's already too late. Try doing things no one else has thought of and stick to your plan.

One risky move that pays off will outweigh ten failed ideas any day. The risk takers are always at the head of the pack.

-=HOAX=- · 03-19-2004, 10:49 AM

I don't think I'm eligible to win. But here goes.

This simple yet complex practice will do more to maximize profits than just about any single other technique residing in a webmasters arsenal.

I could simply say, "target your traffic". But that simple phrase is one of the most basic mistakes I see in web based marketing today.

Each and every link a surfer clicks is a statement of what they want. The laws of demand and supply say that when a demand for something meets a supply of that same thing, money exchanges hands.

The holy grail of marketing is information about your prospective customer. As I stated before each link a surfer clicks is a statement of his desires. We are not in the business of advertising, we are not in the business of entertainment.

WE ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF CONVINCING AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE THAT AN ORGASM, RIGHT NOW, IS WORTH A FEW BUCKS.

When building sites it is the rich man who loads his site with enticing questions and delivers content specific to each question answered with a click.

EDIT: TRANSLATION: Don't put amateur banners on a gallery full of trannies.

Oracle Porn · 03-19-2004, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by -=HOAX=-
I don't think I'm eligible to win. But here goes.

Ofcourse you are....

keep em cumming guys!

yuvalus · 03-19-2004, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ganjasaurus
B.L.A.S.H. (Buy Low And Sell High)

03-18-2004, 09:55 PM	#51
Oracle Porn Affiliate Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Icq: 94-399-723 Posts: 24,433	50 biz tips and tricks __________________

03-18-2004, 09:56 PM	#52
ToolGuy All Things RealityCash Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: CA Posts: 253	Working the web is just a numbers game so I would say first thing you need to do no matter what product or service you are planning on selling is FOCUS ON GETTING TRAFFIC! No matter what the sources of your traffic are be sure that you can control where it all goes either by sending it all to one site (a hub) or by redirecting it via your server or scripts since this will allows be your most valuable assett. It doesn't matter how kick ass your site looks or how great your product is if nobody is seeing it then nobody is buying it. With enough traffic you can literally sell ice to eskimoes! __________________ No Fee Domain Auction Site - NEW

03-18-2004, 09:57 PM	#53
Rankings Adult SEO Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: A cat with three legs cannot bury shit in a frozen pond. In addition to that, can you cry underwater? Posts: 10,633	DONT GIVE AWAY YOUR SECRETS OR TIPS __________________ Your leader for Adult SEO Services 19+ Years Serving the Adult/SEO Industry ICQ: 610-814 Skype: xratedseo

03-18-2004, 10:01 PM	#54
pradaboy sell me your banners Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: on the tubes Posts: 12,931	love life __________________ Media Buyer - Sell me your traffic! FREE to register domains... Better than 99% of the crap sold here!

03-18-2004, 10:23 PM	#58
jmarzlak Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 632	the golden rule: treat each other how you would like to be treated __________________ Promote Nikki and Teen Kelly

03-18-2004, 10:02 PM	#55
SoundMan So Fucking Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MidWest Posts: 3,471	Here is mine: If you start a dream project Fucking Finish it! this has always been my down fall.. START IT - FINISH IT! 2ND Never rely on anyone.......... Do it yourself ! .............

03-18-2004, 10:14 PM	#56
foreverjason Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,452	Partners can be your greatest asset or liability, pick carefully.

03-18-2004, 10:17 PM	#57
patrack Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 62	If you want to truly make it in life, you need to KNOW who you are dealing with at all times. That's why the absolute BEST advise I have ever received has been the following. If the last name of the person you're dealing with contains 'berg', 'wicz', 'sky', 'vitz', 'rosen', 'artz', 'stein', 'man', 'baum', 'gold', 'silver', 'thal', 'ller', 'stone', then PROCEED WITH CAUTION - patrack

03-18-2004, 10:57 PM	#59
jawanda Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,040	Business is RUTHLESS. Do you want industry respect? YES. Do you need traffic? YES. Do you need to 'duplicate what works' ? YES! But most importantly, you need to be RUTHLESS when it comes to following your INSTINCTS and running with something that you feel can be profitable. NO ONE is going to wait around and congratulate you for your good idea, they are going to STEAL it, and for fucks sake, you shouldn't be afraid to do the same. In this biz, the early bird really DOES get the worm. If it's legal, and it will make you money, do it. DON'T BE AFRAID OF YOUR OWN SUCCESS, because there are one hundred guys standing behind you who have NO problem copying your idea and doing it 10x. I still remember the day that I saw that movie (What was it, American Pie? Can't Hardly Wait?) and thought, "I wonder if milf.com is available? That could be big." Of course, it was only a few days after the movie came out and the domain was available, but I never bought it because I second guessed myself... If only ... If only... Never say those words again. -P

03-18-2004, 10:59 PM	#60
sixxxth_sense So Fucking Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: T.O. Posts: 2,430	CHeck my sigg! I think most of us, if not all started doing galleries!!! That is the thing that helped us build traffic and throw it arround. SE traffic is hard to earn now. It aint like 96, where u can throw 10000000 kyewoards and be out there fore eeverything!

03-18-2004, 11:07 PM	#61
Danielle Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: My Coffin Posts: 1,227	Do the exact opposite of what ever Oracle Porn says to do. Hugs, Danielle

03-18-2004, 11:48 PM	#62
Bigfuck Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: In a fucking big house Posts: 4,961	You have to invest to make money in the beginning reinvest 100% in your adult biz when you start to get a good cashflow reinvest 50% of the money you make in adult in other things like real estate or shares and 50% in your adult biz __________________

03-18-2004, 11:52 PM	#63
buddyjuf Guest Posts: n/a	Rusty: Why do this? Danny: Why not do it? [Rusty shakes his head] Danny: Cause yesterday I walked out of the joint after losing four years of my life and you're cold-decking teen beat cover boys. [pause] Danny: Cause the house always wins. Play long enough, you never change the stakes. The house takes you. Unless, when that perfect hand comes along, you bet big, then you take the house. Rusty: Been practicing this speech, haven't you? Danny: Little bit. Did I rush it? Felt I rushed it. Rusty: No, it was good, I liked it.

03-18-2004, 11:54 PM	#64
XLegendX Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: omnipresent Posts: 26	Clearly, the most intelligent advice one could give in this business is to not post their business tips, tricks etc... because you know what? Someone will just take your business ideas, concepts, run off and fart in your face. I'll take my $1,200. via paypal. Thanks in advance ~ Legend

03-19-2004, 12:30 AM	#65
skillfull Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Quebec Calisse Posts: 4,716	hum always have a backup plan ready try to depands the less possible of others __________________ mind at underdark dot cc SEO Analyst Thunder-Ball.net - Member

03-19-2004, 04:25 AM	#66
Oracle Porn Affiliate Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Icq: 94-399-723 Posts: 24,433	__________________

03-19-2004, 04:26 AM	#67
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03-19-2004, 04:39 AM	#68
LowRider Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 44	NEVER start out in this biz with a paysite...

03-19-2004, 04:54 AM	#69
maxjohan Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 7,219	The Power of Creativity A blind man sat on the steps of a building with a Hat by his feet and a sign that read: "I am blind, please help". A creative publicist was walking by him and stopped to observe, he only had a few coins in his hat. He dropped a few more coins into the hat and without saying anything, took the sign, turned it around, and wrote a sentence on it. He placed the sign by the blind man's feet and left. That afternoon the creative publicist returned by the blind man and noticed that his hat was full of bills and coins. The blind man recognized his footsteps and asked if it was him who had re-written his sign and he wanted to know what did he write on it? The publicist responded: "Nothing that was not true, I just rewrote your sign differently". He smiled and went on his way. The blind man never knew, but his new sign read: "Today is Spring and I Cannot See it". - Change your strategy when something does not go your way. - Present yourself in a different way when things are not working out. - A change in outlook can turn your life around. __________________ I went from 100 to 313,000 satoshis in 2 days! Lots of daily freerolls...

03-19-2004, 04:57 AM	#70
strobi Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 7,383	forget about galleries

03-19-2004, 05:10 AM	#71
maxjohan Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 7,219	The funny things is I was thinking about a contest just like this 1 hour ago. And the funniest thing is that what has been in my mind this week have been posted on gfy moments later... __________________ I went from 100 to 313,000 satoshis in 2 days! Lots of daily freerolls...

03-19-2004, 05:18 AM	#72
LowRider Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 44	Stick to a niche you know well, e.g. don't do bondage, if you don't dig it - it'll shine through...

03-19-2004, 05:32 AM	#73
Towser Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 107	You are NEVER as good as you think you are.

03-19-2004, 06:16 AM	#74
Sylver7 Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: [206] Posts: 489	Don't stand up in a canoe and completely maximize your traffic.

03-19-2004, 06:18 AM	#75
Reak So Fucking Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: 420Calendar.com Posts: 17,920	So you make a contest, and let other people give away the prizes without donating one on your own?

03-19-2004, 06:23 AM	#76
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03-19-2004, 06:36 AM	#77
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03-19-2004, 06:39 AM	#78
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03-19-2004, 06:59 AM	#79
GeorgeK Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 423	My best advice to folks (forget about prizes, etc.) is to always make sure that you have LEGAL CONTROL of the company. 50.1% ownership, whatever (100% is best), and if you are involved with other people, GET THINGS IN WRITING. There are always some nutballs out there that will make life difficult, but if you have control, and you have things in writing, you alone determine your fate. While you can get rich by working for someone else, or being a minority owner, control is more likely to pay off big in the end. __________________ I buy good domain names. Send lists to George (at) LOFFS.com

03-19-2004, 07:05 AM	#80
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03-19-2004, 07:05 AM	#81
alexg IL4L.com Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Israel - ICQ: 162136565 Posts: 11,287	here's my tip. Develop various routines and shortcuts that will help you do your work faster. If you are focusing on TGP and freesite submissions, make a list with links to all the TGP's that you submit to, and use an automatic form filler to submit faster, make gallery templates that will be easy foryou to alter quickly. If you run paysites, use a software that will let you update all your pay sites quickly. No matter what you're focusing on, you should set some time aside to create work routines that will save you more time in the long run. __________________ Find fuck buddies in your area!

03-19-2004, 09:11 AM	#84
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03-19-2004, 09:12 AM	#85
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03-19-2004, 09:13 AM	#86
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03-19-2004, 09:14 AM	#87
sickkittens I am a meat popsicle. Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,100	network. network. network. Make contacts, etc. but only rely on yourself 100%. __________________ HIGHEST PAYOUTS FOR NO-CONSOLE TOURS IN THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY! THIS SIG CAN BE YOURS FOR $200 - ICQ: 78881543