IMPORTANT Topic: Why is the Content Business in Trouble? - Page 3 - GoFuckYourself.com

Mutt · 03-12-2004, 12:39 PM

that's good news Kevin if your members are telling you that they still are there for the photos.

i had this discussion with Donovan Phillips yesterday, he was under the impression I was telling people that photos are dead - there will always be fans of still photography. BUT video is a huge part of the biz now and most surfers do want video so I am encouraging Brian to put as much effort into sharpening his video skills as he does into his stills work. Remember your members are there because of the photos so any survey, informal or scientific, you do with your members/surfers is going to be heavily slanted towards still photography.

OldJeff · 03-12-2004, 12:44 PM

BTW Mutt, that face shot of Tanya James is smoking hot, that picture alone can sell memberships.

Can you fit her in the sets you are doing for us ?

Aza · 03-12-2004, 12:45 PM

I think everyone gets so caught up with EXCLUSIVE content.....do you think the members of our site ( www.sexy-babes.tv ) care if the content we give them daily is exclusive? All they want is top quality babes shot by top quality photographers. Once they join our site and stay a member, they dont care or even know if the content is exclusive or not!

And this suggestion of a small group buying semi-exclusive content sounds very interesting to me!

If you want to discuss this further Shap, contact me here:
arran @ sexy-babes.tv

Aza · 03-12-2004, 12:49 PM

Not Working · 03-12-2004, 12:51 PM

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Originally posted by tootie
I just wanted to add a little something here. I see alot of people talking about quality vs. quantity and glamour vs. amateur and such. And there is much talk about all the Joe Schmoes with digital cameras in hotel rooms. But one think that no one has mentioned (that I've seen) is content EDITING. Even in the amateur market most people want to see a certain degree of quality in the photos. A good post-production editor can take a mediocre set of content and turn it into something special, but most so-called photographers these days either don't know how to do it themselves or won't spend the money to hire someone to do it for them. So you have a massive influx of photos hitting the market from new photographers who (as mentioned earlier) don't know squat about lighting, chemistry with the models, locations, makeup, props, etc. And they are producing photos that are over/underexposed or have flash hot spots or have disgusting color casts and they're trying to compete by selling cheaper content because no one in their right mind is going to pay well for that type of content.

YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

Matrix takes the time to color correct and retouch all of its work. If you see the covers of Europian magazines and such, we are there. We are quality. Playboy has come to us to ask us to shoot exclusive content for them. Wait till you see the Nikki Nova/Tera Patrick layout.

Contact me on icq 136266271, I would love to talk.

With so many newbies entering the market every day on a limited budget, they're either stealing content, using free content or buying the cheap-ass crap and keeping the cheapo providers in business, while ignoring the good quality stuff. The quality providers that either take good photos to begin with or who edit their mediocre photos suffer because the newbies with cheap content saturate the market and make it harder for the veterans to get their sales (because so many newer webmasters being out there just naturally lower the odds of the veterans getting to the surfer first) and when the veterans find it difficult to get sales then they stop buying from the quality producers and may leave the business altogether. I've seen TONS of people that I've known in the industry leave it recently, even some who have been here since '97 or so. And yes, you can convert sales with crappy content. It takes either good marketing skills or mass traffic (for luck) but it can be done with some work. I've done it in the past, when I couldn't afford to buy any content.

I think that some of the mediocre producers who are failing could pick sales up quite a bit by hiring someone to edit their content for them, perhaps offering some semi-exclusive content in exchange or perhaps giving a percentage of sales (for those who cannot afford the up-front cost of hiring an editor.) Turn crappy content into mediocre content, turn mediocre content into good content.

I know I don't like paying decent prices for unedited content. I'll pay rock bottom prices for it and edit myself, or I'll pay a premium for having the work done for me already, but I certainly won't do both.

MediumPimpin · 03-12-2004, 12:52 PM

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Originally posted by Mutt
that's good news Kevin if your members are telling you that they still are there for the photos.

i had this discussion with Donovan Phillips yesterday, he was under the impression I was telling people that photos are dead - there will always be fans of still photography. BUT video is a huge part of the biz now and most surfers do want video so I am encouraging Brian to put as much effort into sharpening his video skills as he does into his stills work. Remember your members are there because of the photos so any survey, informal or scientific, you do with your members/surfers is going to be heavily slanted towards still photography.

We have over 500 full video sets for download, so we have a ton of that also, they still want the pics!

Mutt · 03-12-2004, 01:01 PM

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Originally posted by OldJeff
BTW Mutt, that face shot of Tanya James is smoking hot, that picture alone can sell memberships.

Can you fit her in the sets you are doing for us ?

I wish I could Jeff. Tanya supposedly has signed an exclusive contract with VCA.

here she is again with Charisma and MarcoP.

MediumPimpin · 03-12-2004, 01:04 PM

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Originally posted by Aza
I think everyone gets so caught up with EXCLUSIVE content.....do you think the members of our site ( www.sexy-babes.tv ) care if the content we give them daily is exclusive? All they want is top quality babes shot by top quality photographers. Once they join our site and stay a member, they dont care or even know if the content is exclusive or not!

And this suggestion of a small group buying semi-exclusive content sounds very interesting to me!

If you want to discuss this further Shap, contact me here:
arran @ sexy-babes.tv

Bingo, we will continue to buy all of the best content we can find, we have been buying all of the Matrix content we can get on hands on and we will continue to do so, a hot model is a hot model, its that simple

Mutt · 03-12-2004, 01:07 PM

who was the program that had to drop Matrix content from their hosted galleries and why?

Fletch XXX · 03-12-2004, 01:15 PM

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Originally posted by Mutt

Tanya supposedly has signed an exclusive contract with VCA.

of course, only after they go blonde!

hahah

Aza · 03-12-2004, 01:21 PM

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Originally posted by Mutt
who was the program that had to drop Matrix content from their hosted galleries and why?

We had to drop Matrix content from our program, I dont really want to get into the reasons here though!

MediumPimpin · 03-12-2004, 01:22 PM

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Originally posted by Mutt
who was the program that had to drop Matrix content from their hosted galleries and why?

We have a deal with Matrix to run hosted, so does Shap from Twistys, some don't want the deal like Sexy-Babes, its a matter of choice?

The Other Steve · 03-12-2004, 01:35 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX

I have used a webcam pic of afat girl from ifriends and made hundreds.

its all how you market things Charly

If a bbw webcam pic can make money, if you are creative you can sell anything.NOT taslking about just paysites.

Fletch - in lots of ways you've hit the nail on the head. I realise that a lot of guys make sales from glam content and a lot of guys make sales from amateur content but there's an aweful lot of us who make sales from content where the surfer makes some sort of connection with the model.

You've seen Marie from when you did those galleries for her. She's a big girl and my photography is nothing like what the guys in this thread can turn out.

Yet it doesn't matter how poorly composed a photo of her might be or how bad the lighting is - when she opens her eyes and smiles into the camera surfers come running with their dicks hanging out and their credit cards cocked and ready to fire.

They make that connection with her and from what I've seen there is either not too many girls who can do that or not too many photographers who understand that.

SetTheWorldonFire · 03-12-2004, 01:37 PM

That's why I don't produce content. The reason I would do that is to look bitches

Kimmykim · 03-12-2004, 01:40 PM

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Originally posted by MediumPimpin
I hope you are not talking about me, I will put up our members area against anyone, we add over 40 full sets a week including videos on time everytime, we have more backend on one site then ARS had on all combined, please don't compare us to them.

We have also had 7 day phone support since day one, biz has never been better, it seem like the others are trying to get it in gear when we were always in gear

Don't get defensive, I am talking about everyone. I dont care if you're ARS or you're not, if you say you are ten times better than them or you do 1/10th the sales they do.

At the end of the day there is nothing more important than billing for any business -- if you cannot accept payment for your goods or services, you cannot be in business. This is a very tough time for billing, whether you're on your own merchant account or using an IPSP, or getting magic beans in the mail to pay for memberships ;)

Doctor Dre · 03-12-2004, 01:44 PM

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Originally posted by angelsofporn
on the contrary, i dont think reality content is the way to go at all. I think people have forgotten that jerking off is serious business and people just want alot of good content to jerk too..and thats that.
The reality thing only works if either the scenario is almost believeble..like bangbus...)which is 1 out of 1000 sites that can claim it is almost believable)
or if the actual sex scenes are really good...

The point isn't about reality content. The point is about : CAN YOU GET THE SAME THING FOR FREE ?

question = yes everywhere

That,s where reality comes up . Every week something new is beein thrown and there is a story or a style to follow . Kazaa can't match that .

Basic_man · 03-12-2004, 01:45 PM

Too fuckin' long to read.. :S

Doctor Dre · 03-12-2004, 01:46 PM

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Originally posted by bigdog

yes finally someone speaks the truth,surfers don't care if the content is exclusive or not, they just want some good content to jerk off with

Yes but they can get that for free. you must offer them something new .

Doctor Dre · 03-12-2004, 01:50 PM

God damn everytime Shap post something it becomes big ... Congrats bro

I remember the old days of AWI now !

This is the best thread posted on this board for months . I haven't went thru the 1st page yet ... I'l come back later :P

Doctor Dre · 03-12-2004, 01:51 PM

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Originally posted by Basic_man
Too fuckin' long to read.. :S

You should, it's worth it .

First real debate I've seen here in a while . Many big persons in the industry from many places, comming and telling their point of view ... Almost everything from big boys make sence even if it's different point of views :P

jayeff · 03-12-2004, 02:21 PM

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Originally posted by The Other Steve
Yet it doesn't matter how poorly composed a photo of her might be or how bad the lighting is - when she opens her eyes and smiles into the camera surfers come running with their dicks hanging out and their credit cards cocked and ready to fire.

The advantage of a single model is that she is unique. That gives her a potential edge which only sites that take the trouble to develop a distinct theme and style can otherwise enjoy.

Words like "exclusive", "good" and "quality" appear a lot in this thread, but I believe they are largely irrelevant. Content need not conform to any of the common meanings of these words.

For content to play an active role in boosting sales, it must make people sit up and take notice. There isn't one way to do this: the model, the subject and the way that the image has been composed are just some of the possibilities. A picture (or video clip) isn't automatically worth a thousand words, but it can be.

It's easier to produce content that will retain members, but it still needs to rise above the generic and deliver what the surfers were led to expect. Porn is fantasy: develop the fantasy to sell and sustain it to keep the customers coming back for more.

If I were a content producer I would try to develop a distinct style whether via models, techniques, sets or whatever. I would try to imagine sites that could successfully be themed around my work and ensure what I did was "right" for those sites. Of course a lot of webmasters wouldn't touch my material, but that really doesn't matter if it appeals strongly to others and helps them to earn money.

Paul Markham · 03-12-2004, 02:33 PM

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Originally posted by Mutt
it's over for licensed glamour content providers - O V E R.

Not from where I'm sitting. Sales are going up all the time.

What will happen is a lot of people who can't cut it will disappear, leaving guys like you and me in the driving seat.

Paul Markham · 03-12-2004, 02:45 PM

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Originally posted by shap
I've got a question for content providers. Why is it that you usually charge a set price REGARDLESS of the model. That right there seems to be cutting your own throat especially since the top models charge top dollar. If a provider releases a new set of say Zdenka (like matrix did) why charge the regular price? Why not charge double and set the standard for premium models?

Simple answer is it sells less. We put our top girls/sets up at $40 which is an extra $5. We tried $50 and made less money than at $40.

Too many buy purely on price.

Paul Markham · 03-12-2004, 02:49 PM

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Originally posted by shap

Another thing that killed most content providers is not having a set price. You email a content provider and they'll reply with here's 15% discount. You reply that you are taking 10 sets ohhhhhhh 40% discount. WTF? That right there is one of the big problems. If i find out I've overpaid on content I'm pissed and feel like I got screwed and with all these discounts being thrown around it's hard to think you are getting a good deal.

A lot of content providers are in trouble and any sale is a bonus.

We have set packages at set prices according to the number of sets you buy. Never waver from them, those discounts are generous enough.

Shap · 03-12-2004, 02:58 PM

I agree Charly and that's the way it should be. Set Prices.

As for people not buying the more expensive sets? That's short term thinking. They aren't willing to invest money into their business. Still the old quick buck mentality. Pay the cheapest and give the members shit.

The irony of it all is, buying cheaper sets may increase your profit margin but won't increase your profits

Something the quick-buck guys won't ever understand.

Paul Markham · 03-12-2004, 02:59 PM

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Originally posted by OldJeff

Will buy exclusive where it fits and the numbers justify the expense.

Paul Markum, you should email me, I have bought from you in the past and I think we could probably set up a monthly deal that is good for both of us.

jeff at offendale dot com

Will do now. Just reading this excellent thread, thank you Shap. But off to bed soon so no rush.

Paul Markham · 03-12-2004, 03:13 PM

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Originally posted by shap
I agree Charly and that's the way it should be. Set Prices.

As for people not buying the more expensive sets? That's short term thinking. They aren't willing to invest money into their business. Still the old quick buck mentality. Pay the cheapest and give the members shit.

The irony of it all is, buying cheaper sets may increase your profit margin but won't increase your profits Something the quick-buck guys won't ever understand.

A lot of them have not been in business long enough to realise that.

But this business is a mix and a lot of paysites should be the same, some exclusive top of the line stuff, semi exclusive middle othe market content and filler that is not totally gross. And all conforming to the spirit/style/niche of the site.

What some paysite owners do not realise is, you have to support your supply lines. The future for them will be very bleak if they drive so many content providers out of business it reverts back to the situation 4-5 years ago, with a lot fewer places to buy from.

Shap · 03-12-2004, 03:19 PM

You got it Charly. Imagine going back to using Zmaster AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

ADL Colin · 03-12-2004, 03:20 PM

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Originally posted by liquidmoe

One day there will be more people involved than the industry can handle and there will be a small recession, a few people will go broke, it will decrease the number of competitors, sort of weed out the weak.

Uhhh ... that's already been happening for years but the weak can be pretty resilient when they are willing to work for beer money.

mailman · 03-12-2004, 03:22 PM

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Originally posted by MediumPimpin
I hope you are not talking about me, I will put up our members area against anyone, we add over 40 full sets a week including videos on time everytime, we have more backend on one site then ARS had on all combined, please don't compare us to them.

We have also had 7 day phone support since day one, biz has never been better, it seem like the others are trying to get it in gear when we were always in gear

word up to that!

i loved when we were in vagas your cell rings who is it??
a member who cant sign in..

this man jumps on the computer sets dude up and just like that bang happy customer..

you cant beat that support!

Mutt · 03-12-2004, 03:26 PM

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Originally posted by charly
Not from where I'm sitting. Sales are going up all the time.

What will happen is a lot of people who can't cut it will disappear, leaving guys like you and me in the driving seat.

paul i wasn't referring to you, you are a teen specialist and it's a much larger niche than 'hot babe glamour'. there are enough strong teen sites to keep you going strong. I can think of maybe 5 paysites in the same niche as Twistys and GMGB.

FightThisPatent · 03-12-2004, 03:27 PM

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Originally posted by shap
Imagine going back to using Zmaster AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

If you used zmaster from december 1998 to 2001 (before Lee sold it), you were using the database driven, catalog website that i built.

During that time, alot of people bought content from zmaster.

Fight the Lurkers!

LadyMischief · 03-12-2004, 03:27 PM

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Originally posted by mailman

word up to that!

i loved when we were in vagas your cell rings who is it??
a member who cant sign in..

this man jumps on the computer sets dude up and just like that bang happy customer..

you cant beat that support!

Yep, Kevin is incredible with his members, his affiliates, and pretty much anyone else he deals with.

LadyMischief · 03-12-2004, 03:29 PM

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Originally posted by Mutt

paul i wasn't referring to you, you are a teen specialist and it's a much larger niche than 'hot babe glamour'. there are enough strong teen sites to keep you going strong. I can think of maybe 5 paysites in the same niche as Twistys and GMGB.

Yep and that's why for the most part they either have to buy exclusive or shoot their own. It's a good thing I know MP provides a lot of affiliate content, because that's one of the bottlenecks when it comes to promoting those niches.. a lack of content to promote it with. I've never promoted Twistys but I'm assuming they have the same kind of deal going as would mac and bumble, etc.

Matt Frackas · 03-12-2004, 03:35 PM

It used to be "Content is King" ....I had that back on my content site in 1997. Someone recently said to me:
"Content is King but TRAFFIC is GOD" LOL.

Yeah ....prominant issue:

* SATURATION *
There is a REDICULOUSLY large amount of FREE PORN on the net....whether it's from TGP's, THEFT, CHEAP CONTENT, FILE SHARING (e.g. Kazaa etc) ....etc.

My experience a few years ago...when I was producing exclusive and non-exclusive for clients was they could get it cheaper somewhere else all the time. It's even MORE SO nowadays.....there is ABSOLUTELY NO SHORTAGE OF PEOPLE WHO CAN PICK UP CHEAP DIGITAL EQUIPMENT AND SHOOT NAKED CHICKS OUTTA THEIR HOUSE AND EMAIL A WEBSITE TO SELL IT. Everybody and their Mother is a "content provider"
...and its hard for Content Providers to find clients who will be LOYAL to threir product when there is the EXACT SAME PRODUCT being offered by someone else for less money.

That's why the industry keeps breaking down into smaller and more specific NICHES....with a "twist". Marketers have to REPACKAGE it....it's still PORN ....but its gotta have SOMETHING to differentiate it from the rest and you have to have the means to sell it.

Good thread!

- Matt

latinasojourn · 03-12-2004, 03:42 PM

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Originally posted by shap
I understand what you are saying Mutt. I think what happened was the webmasters bought the content relatively cheap. Then went out and with their marketing skills found ways to make the most of the content. The content providers saw this and tried to get a piece of their pie. And the same time other content providers saw the need for new content, picked up a camera and charged lower rates than the existing guys. So you've got new competition driving prices lower, and webmasters innovative marketing driving existing providers to increase their price. Everybody is greedy and the top of the line content providers suffer the most. I believe there is definitely a way both can co-exist with the presence of Hosted Galleries.

The current business model does not work. Content providers tried to sell their content to large amounts of webmasters at a low price. Quanity vs Quality. Result is they got screwed. They sold to the low end webmaster who whored the content out on TGPS.

I believe there will always be a demand for Glamour and High End Amateur Photography. A beautiful babe sells. That's the bottomline. I think it's time for the top content providers to come up with a new Business model. Semi Exclusive deals at a higher price. Charly mentioned it costs in the $100 range per set. I know in the US it could cost $300 to $500 per set. So let's for arguements sake say at $300 revenue per set the provider is making a decent profit. If that provider puts the content for sale at $100 per set and only sells 10 licenses (which allow hosted galleries). That's $1000 revenue and more than $700 profit. You can't tell me there aren't 10 sites around willing to pay $100 a pop for quality content. I could round up 10 sites on my own within a day. Right there the webmaster is happy and the provider is happy. Can this business model work?

People say exclusive is the way. Yes i agree. There are a shitload of surfers who enjoy and are willing to pay to look at pictures. The key to a picture based member's area doing well is high amounts of high quality content. Exclusive is great but it gets tough to be 100% exclusive and be able to deliver the quantity expected by the surfer. It's a real toss up. You can either be like 1by day and Stephen Hicks and add 1 ULTRA high quality set a day (which will cost you more than $1000 a set) or go mostly exclusive like ATK and add huge amounts of content weekly. I still believe there is a profitable market for high end photography that isn't 100% exclusive.

all true.

but it's a big world, and many beautiful women in 3rd world locations.

beauty that cost $800-1000 in los angeles can be found for $25-50 usd just by getting on an airplane.

latinasojourn · 03-12-2004, 03:49 PM

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Originally posted by jayeff

If I were a content producer I would try to develop a distinct style whether via models, techniques, sets or whatever. I would try to imagine sites that could successfully be themed around my work and ensure what I did was "right" for those sites. Of course a lot of webmasters wouldn't touch my material, but that really doesn't matter if it appeals strongly to others and helps them to earn money.

so true.

latinasojourn · 03-12-2004, 03:57 PM

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Originally posted by Colin

Uhhh ... that's already been happening for years but the weak can be pretty resilient when they are willing to work for beer money.

haha, yes.

pretty resilient indeed.

just look at all the POV shooters who could never get laid in high school.

so they go buy a digicam for a few hundred bucks and now get blowjobs for free.

becoming a content "producer" just helps these guys get laid, guys that could never get laid in the real world without paying the girl some cash.

guys so lame with the dialogue you end us just feeling sorry for the girl, disgusted even.

but this is the web. maybe there's a niche for it.

fatuglyguycrackwhore.com

might be avail. someone content "producer" should snap it up.

Col. Beauford D. Horton · 03-12-2004, 04:01 PM

"The content business is not in trouble...."

Mutt · 03-12-2004, 04:04 PM

no - anonymous foreign models don't work as well in the glamour niche - i look at the free sites in that babe niche like Bomis - names are a big thing. the surfers know the names of these girls and expect to see them in Twistys and GMGB. The foreign girls become stars when they come over to the United States for some shoots. Jana Cova is just a pretty girl you'd find on some European content site UNTIL she goes to Los Angeles and shoots for Stehen Hicks and Penthouse. Then she becomes JANA COVA.

No different than pop stars and movie stars, you ain't a star until you have made it in the USA.

latinasojourn · 03-12-2004, 04:30 PM

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Originally posted by Mutt
i know who the better photographer here is.

exquisite.

SoBeGirl Video · 03-12-2004, 06:13 PM

SoBeGirl has set prices for all the sets. The more you buy the more value you get for your money.. Check it out...

http://www.*************/conten_index.htm

Dveron · 03-12-2004, 06:27 PM

Very good thread

fetishpix · 03-12-2004, 08:22 PM

I agree with what has been stated.

Having been a content producer for the adult industry since 1996 we have probably produced and acquired on of the largest catalogs of content on the Internet.

Over the past year we have placed our emphases into expanding our studios here in Las Vegas and acquiring content producers looking to sell out.

We have bought out 5 companies in the past year including FetishBrokers.com, CDBabes.com and ParadiseWebs.com. This has given content sales sites in three specific niches; Fetish ? FetishBrokers.com, Amateurs ? CDBabes.com, Pro-Am Content with ParadiseWebs.com. We believe it has become time to consolidate content and work on niche content sales site. Our current inventory is just over 1 million images and 900 hours of video.

Further we are expanding our studio from 3,600 sq/ft to 7,200 sq/ft with the addition of a new video stage ? 28?x36x22? Cyc cove, Barn set, Auto Repair shop, new dungeon, Jail Cell and Cheerleader work out room. This takes our Permanente sets to 14.

Currently our staff consists of 2 full time photographer / videographer, 3 full time image retouchers, 3 full time video editors and IS department.

Launching in April of 2004 will be our affiliates program ? SlaughterCash.com with a portfolio of 12 new sites. These sites will feature our own content as well as the content we have purchased over the past few years.

If you?re in need of site specific content feel free to contact me at [email protected]

David Slaughter
http://www.fetishbrokers.com

Rochard · 03-12-2004, 10:57 PM

I think this is combination of a few things.......

- Anyone with a digital camera can shoot content and attempt to sell it. And everyone thinks they are a photographer.
- There is too much content being produced, and too much of it is being given away for free. Affiliates no longer need to purchase content because the websites gladly give it to them; They have to because it's just bad business to ask an affiliate to purchase content to use for promotion when those pictures aren't in the site they are promoting.
- Content from other countries where it's cheap to shoot is attempting to flood the content market.

Here's an example of two content companies I've dealth with through out the years....

One was company started by someone with extra money, who really just wanted to shoot content (read - hang out with models). They did okay for a while, but in the end their content was really crap and no one was buying it. They attempted they massive content deal, and that floated them for a while and then they folded. Gone.

A friend of mine decided to get into the business two years ago. He started slow, found a niche that had a handful of dedicated repeat buyers who would purchase anything they bought because they couldn't find it any place else. I visited my friend over the holidays - He's now got two full time photographers.

The content industry has been flooded with crap that no one wants. Just like the paysites, those who are good will keep their heads about water and those who fail and crash and burn like the rest. Just like all the new websites out there.

Mutt & Paul - Keep up the good work. Both of you will keep your heads above water.

EmporerEJ · 03-12-2004, 11:02 PM

In my opinion, the problem with content producers is inflexibility and 2 dimensional thinking.

Everyone seems to think they have something so unique, so perfect that it's worth a ridiculous amount. The reality of the adult world is something quite different.

The video world knew this all through the 80's and 90's. The "web people" will "get it" after a few of them flame out.

There are more ways now to sell, and re-sell your content than ever before. You need to get parallel thinking. I would mention one, but it would sound like a sales message, and that's not why I'm posting here. I genuinely believe the message. So I'll leave it at the statement.

Paul Markham · 03-12-2004, 11:56 PM

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Originally posted by latinasojourn

all true.

but it's a big world, and many beautiful women in 3rd world locations.

beauty that cost $800-1000 in los angeles can be found for $25-50 usd just by getting on an airplane.

Not the situation here. The big porn houses who come here to shoot are paying girls from $500 to $1,000 a scene. They want to squeeze out the guys who will shoot girls for $25.

AMA and Gregg Photo were here recently and paying $400 for a few hours work.

Paul Markham · 03-12-2004, 11:59 PM

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Originally posted by Col. Beauford D. Horton

"The content business is not in trouble...."

No it's not, but some of the people inside it are. When they have gone watch the price of content rise.

DeanCapture · 03-13-2004, 12:24 AM

This is an excellent tread Shap - way to go my friend

Paul Markham · 03-13-2004, 12:27 AM

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Originally posted by EmporerEJ
In my opinion, the problem with content producers is inflexibility and 2 dimensional thinking.

Everyone seems to think they have something so unique, so perfect that it's worth a ridiculous amount. The reality of the adult world is something quite different.

The video world knew this all through the 80's and 90's. The "web people" will "get it" after a few of them flame out.

There are more ways now to sell, and re-sell your content than ever before. You need to get parallel thinking. I would mention one, but it would sound like a sales message, and that's not why I'm posting here. I genuinely believe the message. So I'll leave it at the statement.

No I don't agree. Few providers think that. some of us think we are better than some of the producers, me included. But how can you say we overprice content when a set like this is $5?

Or a set like this $35.

I think the overall message has come that the slashing of content prices AND the willingness of people to buy on price has hurt the whole business.

There are many people, both webmasters and paysite owners, who can pay $50 a set or more. Yet they have forced the price down by buying from cut price merchants. Yes a lot of providers have appeared over the last two years, but it needs a buyer to purchase from them to survive. So the price has been forced down, the sales spread and the end result is a lowering of the return on the set. So low it no longer becomes profitable to produce.

So you have more buyers, again paysites and TGPs, more producers and a lower quality. Which just leads to a lowering of standards and more people able to open sites and compete. As I said the big producers shooting here pushed the prices UP, to keep out the competition. On the Internet the big buyers pushed the prices DOWN, allowing the little guy in to steal their clients.

Soon I will be releasing limited distibution sets, 10 licenses will be sold on some sets for $70. Lets see if paysites are willing to pay $70 for a set like this knowing it will not be everywhere.

But I'm sure some will come back and tell me they can buy a set EXCLUSIVE for $70 and there is the problem.
IMHO

03-12-2004, 12:39 PM	#101
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	that's good news Kevin if your members are telling you that they still are there for the photos. i had this discussion with Donovan Phillips yesterday, he was under the impression I was telling people that photos are dead - there will always be fans of still photography. BUT video is a huge part of the biz now and most surfers do want video so I am encouraging Brian to put as much effort into sharpening his video skills as he does into his stills work. Remember your members are there because of the photos so any survey, informal or scientific, you do with your members/surfers is going to be heavily slanted towards still photography. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

03-12-2004, 12:45 PM	#103
Aza Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 818	I think everyone gets so caught up with EXCLUSIVE content.....do you think the members of our site ( www.sexy-babes.tv ) care if the content we give them daily is exclusive? All they want is top quality babes shot by top quality photographers. Once they join our site and stay a member, they dont care or even know if the content is exclusive or not! And this suggestion of a small group buying semi-exclusive content sounds very interesting to me! If you want to discuss this further Shap, contact me here: arran @ sexy-babes.tv __________________ Dollars 4 Babes Now with PPS! 13 Of The Highest Quality Sites To Promote Over 1000 Of The Best Free Hosted Galleries Hotlink Thumbs & Multiple Description Lengths

03-12-2004, 12:49 PM	#104
Aza Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 818	__________________ Dollars 4 Babes Now with PPS! 13 Of The Highest Quality Sites To Promote Over 1000 Of The Best Free Hosted Galleries Hotlink Thumbs & Multiple Description Lengths

03-12-2004, 01:07 PM	#109
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	who was the program that had to drop Matrix content from their hosted galleries and why? __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

03-12-2004, 01:37 PM	#114
SetTheWorldonFire Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: California Posts: 7,444	That's why I don't produce content. The reason I would do that is to look bitches __________________ www.STWOFDesign.com hit me up on icq 154206276 or Skype: JaimeGizzle

03-12-2004, 12:44 PM	#102
OldJeff Big Fucking hahahaha Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,073	BTW Mutt, that face shot of Tanya James is smoking hot, that picture alone can sell memberships. Can you fit her in the sets you are doing for us ?

03-12-2004, 01:45 PM	#117
Basic_man Programming King Pin Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Montreal Posts: 27,360	Too fuckin' long to read.. :S __________________ UUGallery Builder - automated photo/video gallery plugin for Wordpress! Stop looking! Checkout Naked Hosting, online since 1999 !

03-12-2004, 02:58 PM	#125
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	I agree Charly and that's the way it should be. Set Prices. As for people not buying the more expensive sets? That's short term thinking. They aren't willing to invest money into their business. Still the old quick buck mentality. Pay the cheapest and give the members shit. The irony of it all is, buying cheaper sets may increase your profit margin but won't increase your profits Something the quick-buck guys won't ever understand.

03-12-2004, 03:19 PM	#128
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	You got it Charly. Imagine going back to using Zmaster AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

03-12-2004, 03:35 PM	#135
Matt Frackas Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood, CA USA Posts: 453	It used to be "Content is King" ....I had that back on my content site in 1997. Someone recently said to me: "Content is King but TRAFFIC is GOD" LOL. Yeah ....prominant issue: * SATURATION * There is a REDICULOUSLY large amount of FREE PORN on the net....whether it's from TGP's, THEFT, CHEAP CONTENT, FILE SHARING (e.g. Kazaa etc) ....etc. My experience a few years ago...when I was producing exclusive and non-exclusive for clients was they could get it cheaper somewhere else all the time. It's even MORE SO nowadays.....there is ABSOLUTELY NO SHORTAGE OF PEOPLE WHO CAN PICK UP CHEAP DIGITAL EQUIPMENT AND SHOOT NAKED CHICKS OUTTA THEIR HOUSE AND EMAIL A WEBSITE TO SELL IT. Everybody and their Mother is a "content provider" ...and its hard for Content Providers to find clients who will be LOYAL to threir product when there is the EXACT SAME PRODUCT being offered by someone else for less money. That's why the industry keeps breaking down into smaller and more specific NICHES....with a "twist". Marketers have to REPACKAGE it....it's still PORN ....but its gotta have SOMETHING to differentiate it from the rest and you have to have the means to sell it. Good thread! - Matt __________________ MattsMoney.com The King of Amateurs MattsModels.com Online since 1999 icq: 234750958

03-12-2004, 04:01 PM	#139
Col. Beauford D. Horton Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Dixie Posts: 140	"The content business is not in trouble...." __________________ Its coming.

03-12-2004, 04:04 PM	#140
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	no - anonymous foreign models don't work as well in the glamour niche - i look at the free sites in that babe niche like Bomis - names are a big thing. the surfers know the names of these girls and expect to see them in Twistys and GMGB. The foreign girls become stars when they come over to the United States for some shoots. Jana Cova is just a pretty girl you'd find on some European content site UNTIL she goes to Los Angeles and shoots for Stehen Hicks and Penthouse. Then she becomes JANA COVA. No different than pop stars and movie stars, you ain't a star until you have made it in the USA. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

03-12-2004, 06:13 PM	#142
SoBeGirl Video So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Planet earth Posts: 2,493	SoBeGirl has set prices for all the sets. The more you buy the more value you get for your money.. Check it out... http://www.*************/conten_index.htm

03-12-2004, 06:27 PM	#143
Dveron Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Vancouver Posts: 2,794	Very good thread __________________ Adult Comics Club - Updated Bi-Daily. 60% Recurring Payouts. Exclusive Comic Content.

03-12-2004, 08:22 PM	#144
fetishpix Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 100	I agree with what has been stated. Having been a content producer for the adult industry since 1996 we have probably produced and acquired on of the largest catalogs of content on the Internet. Over the past year we have placed our emphases into expanding our studios here in Las Vegas and acquiring content producers looking to sell out. We have bought out 5 companies in the past year including FetishBrokers.com, CDBabes.com and ParadiseWebs.com. This has given content sales sites in three specific niches; Fetish ? FetishBrokers.com, Amateurs ? CDBabes.com, Pro-Am Content with ParadiseWebs.com. We believe it has become time to consolidate content and work on niche content sales site. Our current inventory is just over 1 million images and 900 hours of video. Further we are expanding our studio from 3,600 sq/ft to 7,200 sq/ft with the addition of a new video stage ? 28?x36x22? Cyc cove, Barn set, Auto Repair shop, new dungeon, Jail Cell and Cheerleader work out room. This takes our Permanente sets to 14. Currently our staff consists of 2 full time photographer / videographer, 3 full time image retouchers, 3 full time video editors and IS department. Launching in April of 2004 will be our affiliates program ? SlaughterCash.com with a portfolio of 12 new sites. These sites will feature our own content as well as the content we have purchased over the past few years. If you?re in need of site specific content feel free to contact me at [email protected] David Slaughter http://www.fetishbrokers.com

03-12-2004, 10:57 PM	#145
Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 74,068	I think this is combination of a few things....... - Anyone with a digital camera can shoot content and attempt to sell it. And everyone thinks they are a photographer. - There is too much content being produced, and too much of it is being given away for free. Affiliates no longer need to purchase content because the websites gladly give it to them; They have to because it's just bad business to ask an affiliate to purchase content to use for promotion when those pictures aren't in the site they are promoting. - Content from other countries where it's cheap to shoot is attempting to flood the content market. Here's an example of two content companies I've dealth with through out the years.... One was company started by someone with extra money, who really just wanted to shoot content (read - hang out with models). They did okay for a while, but in the end their content was really crap and no one was buying it. They attempted they massive content deal, and that floated them for a while and then they folded. Gone. A friend of mine decided to get into the business two years ago. He started slow, found a niche that had a handful of dedicated repeat buyers who would purchase anything they bought because they couldn't find it any place else. I visited my friend over the holidays - He's now got two full time photographers. The content industry has been flooded with crap that no one wants. Just like the paysites, those who are good will keep their heads about water and those who fail and crash and burn like the rest. Just like all the new websites out there. Mutt & Paul - Keep up the good work. Both of you will keep your heads above water. __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

03-12-2004, 11:02 PM	#146
EmporerEJ Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Political subdivision United States, Continent North America, Planet Earth, Sol System, Milky Way Galaxy Posts: 282	In my opinion, the problem with content producers is inflexibility and 2 dimensional thinking. Everyone seems to think they have something so unique, so perfect that it's worth a ridiculous amount. The reality of the adult world is something quite different. The video world knew this all through the 80's and 90's. The "web people" will "get it" after a few of them flame out. There are more ways now to sell, and re-sell your content than ever before. You need to get parallel thinking. I would mention one, but it would sound like a sales message, and that's not why I'm posting here. I genuinely believe the message. So I'll leave it at the statement. __________________ Eric J. White Earn $$$ with the Virtual Sex Machine Affiliate program!

03-13-2004, 12:24 AM	#149
DeanCapture Haters & Trolls SUCK! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 9,275	This is an excellent tread Shap - way to go my friend __________________ Twitter: @DeanCapture Instagram: @TheDeanCapture DeanCapture "at" Gmail.com