goBigtime

I'm burnt out on adult so I'll never do this...

But I'll share this idea with GFY so maybe someone else can benefit from it..


What are the biggest TGP's famous for?
Why are they Big?
What makes their traffic high quality?


Bookmarks. Bookmarks. Bookmarks.


So if you want to have a truely successful TGP, you want to to get as many people to bookmark as possible (like I'm telling you anything new here).


So now comes the question...

how do you know if someone is returning from a bookmark or not?

A visitor hitting your TGP/webiste from a bookmark has no referring url.

* Note, there are other reasons that people might not have a referring url as well. But if you have an active idea working to promote bookmarking, then by far, these HTTP_REFERER-less users will be bookmarkers.

So now you can easily identify when people are returning from bookmarks. Fantastic!

But now the big question...

How do you get them to bookmark in the first place?

My short answer: Offer them something daily that they really want access to & only give them the password for it, or access to it, if they are visiting your site without a HTTP_REFERER

Examples of things to entice people to bookmark:

A real-time chat room that is password protected daily.
A chat forum that is password protected daily.
Daily news headlines, that are password protected daily.
A free trial pass to some sort of adult feature that is password protected daily.

Basically anything that you can think of that would entice the user to come back daily, but requires the user to get the daily password to access it

And the only way you would show them the daily password, is if they have hit your site from the bookmark (meaning they have no HTTP_REFERER)


Does this make sense?





If you like this idea hit the thread with a

-- Maybe they'll give me an mp3 player

Oracle Porn

whats your paypal?
Ill paypal you $1,000 for this brilliant idea! Original too I might add.

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/me holds breath.


It is a good idea though... gold

Combine it with a very smart traffic brokering system & you could overthrow the biggest TGP sites on the net.

SleazyDream

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goBigtime

Why Sleazy why?

Juicy D. Links

Rethink this quote

hyper

give them what they want daily

Keep them on Your Site as much as possible

make it easy to navigate

dont make it a fucking banner farm

dont fuck them

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lock

you can fake anything to look like bookmarks i see what Juicy means

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JiveMovies

Dude its obviouse, that bookmarks are quality traffic. But the whole thing with the password is alittle shady. We dont need to give these people shit, they will pay for porn if they want it. If its that good $$ is it. Thats all

goBigtime

Ok... And?


Imagine on your TGP, you have a little box over to the right..


It says:


ACCESS OUR *LIVE* CHAT ROOM!

Here is todays Password:

[ PASSWORD]

Click here to enter.




Where the daily password would be shown if there was no REF

and if there is a ref it would show a "Ooops! The only way you can see the daily password is if you are visiting the site from your favorites! Click here to add this site to your favorites and then return to the site from that link to see todays daily password"

JiveMovies

I like it, but not really worth it. What industry are you in other than adult.

goBigtime

Yes yes... all that as well.

Everyone trying to start a good TGP does that.

I'm just saying create an additional HOOK that they can only access when returining from a bookmark. You TRAIN them to visit your site by bookmark.


The hook brings em back

PMdave

seriusly, this will make me look like a total newbie, but why would you want a buch of freeloaders to bookmark your 'I give away everything for free, so don't click any banners to buy a membership to a site that can't offer you as much content as I do'-site ?

JDog

I've actually thought about this before. What I was going to do was add a humor area, and add a new's head line area, but never got around to it.

I do believe that this would be a great idea!

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goBigtime

LOL, how do you know It's not worth it?

Is it not worth it because you can't implement it on your own?


If would require a bit of programming, but nothing too complicated.



I sell ice to eskimos.

Dynamix

easy workaround--

have a huge un-missable bookmark link / image that adds a bookmark, to let's say--

http://www.yoursite.com/index.php?mark=true


Then at the top of your index.php site, or wherever in the page, simply put:



If you do this, people accessing your domain from a link or by directly typing in the url (yoursite.com) won't include the /index.php?mark=true portion. Problem solved

-patrick

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goBigtime

Do you have any idea what big TGP sites make?


NONE, the hun only makes....

PMdave

yes I do, but for making 1 big tgp site that makes huge profits I think it's atleast 3 years late. (fyi: this is just my opinion)

goBigtime

Great addition

I'm just offering the basic concept here.




But so far we have TGP King SleazyDream calling me an Idiot....

Maybe he is calling me an idiot for sharing the idea with GFY'ers?

Dynamix

people are jealous when they don't think of original ideas themselves..

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goBigtime

What do you mean what juicy means?

Juicy quoted ME.. why do you think I added that in there?

Because I knew the first thing I would hear was:

"Hey Bigtime but not all REF'less visitors will be bookmarkers dontchaknow!"

And like I said in the quote --- if you have an active system that is building tons of bookmarks, the # of people who see the daily password "for free" without bookmarking, will be very small in comparison to the # of people seeing it because they bookmarked.




But using a script page for the bookmark definitely takes care of that problem...

The downside to using a script is then you wouldn't get the front page hits registered by counter sites as bookmarks.

I suppose you still could by hacking a redirect up a little. Hmmm.

goBigtime

I think its very possible to create a top 3 TGP - if you have the right idea.

EmporerEJ

you know, there's a reason most of you are broke.

I strongly suggest you all get a copy of "think & Grow Rich" by Napolean Hill. Read the chapter on the "Mastermind" Concept.

Then, grow up.

GoBigTime?

Thank you for your suggestion. While it doesn't really apply to my buisness specifically, I want to thank you for thinking out loud and contributing to the group. If the other clowns would stop slamming their dicks on the table and think for a minute, maybe they could build on the base of your idea.

You keep thinking. You obviously have a working mind and it will pay off eventually. Good luck.

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goBigtime

How about a TGP that displays a daily numbered list of 100 galleries....

But if you are visiting the site and you have HTTP_REFERER (you came to the site from another link) then it would display


1. THE TOP 5 GALLERIES ARE ONLY SHOWN TO BOOKMARKERS
click here to bookmark, then revisit the site from that bookmark.

2. THE TOP 5 GALLERIES ARE ONLY SHOWN TO BOOKMARKERS
click here to bookmark, then revisit the site from that bookmark.

3. THE TOP 5 GALLERIES ARE ONLY SHOWN TO BOOKMARKERS
click here to bookmark, then revisit the site from that bookmark.

4. THE TOP 5 GALLERIES ARE ONLY SHOWN TO BOOKMARKERS
click here to bookmark, then revisit the site from that bookmark.

5. THE TOP 5 GALLERIES ARE ONLY SHOWN TO BOOKMARKERS
click here to bookmark, then revisit the site from that bookmark.


Once you got big, you would have two classes of paid listings...

1-5 premium visitors, mostly bookmark or typed in returns.

6-15 The top ten spots non-bookmarkers would see.




There is another good way to use this idea... enjoy


But there is no unique hook (like a live chat or something) to bring them back - maybe do both.

sexsup

In effect the idea is simple and good, I dont know if it can become profitable, but someone will find the way

body

thats a good idea

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stupid idea

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bigdog

not all bookmark traffic is quality

Ash@phpFX

thats a better idea than the first one

goBigtime

::sigh:: it's the same idea.

goBigtime

Mike-BP
Will trade SE hits for CJ hits

Trax

how about this idea: Stop starting TGPs

should make you tons of cash

goBigtime

When did you get into adult?

err.. doesn't matter.

Free sites were around before you got into adult.


If you want to say stop making TGP's and freesites, then you might as well say stop making affiliate programs too.

TGP's and other various forms of "Free porn" were born & exist because of affiliate programs.

stocktrader23

I had to stop reading after this post. Just wanted to say, you are a fucking idiot.

Who gives a flying rats ass if there is a way around it? The whole fucking point being THOSE PEOPLE COME BACK TO YOUR SITE WITHOUT FINDING IT ON ANOTHER PAGE.

Now does this penetrate the thick fucking skull which contains your puny little brain? Nobody cares if one types in your domain or has it bookmarked.

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goBigtime

Was that for Dynamix or me?

And what are you trying to say exactly anyway?





Because what I am trying to say is people get jerked around by TGP's all the time... you can have a 300k TGP one day and under 1k hits on that same TGP the next day if your trades die.


What sense is that?

What I'm saying is be a bit more proactive about bookmarking, in order to actually build a REAL following to the site.

Every person that returns from a bookmark or types in your domain is a repeat visitor of yours.



Once you build this following & you're established in the top 10 on counter lists, you can get all the trades and submissions you could handle.


I was originally going to couple this with a traffic brokering business using a custom traffic analysis module that would catch cooks like nothing else.

goBigtime

The people that think this is a bad idea just don't get it.


The people that do get it aren't bumping it for a reason

lil2rich4u2

this is actually a very good concept, but not easily done. only because the freeloading bookmarkers have some years under their belt now, and have seen all the gimics. they know exactly where to go for free comedy, porn, or anything else they want, even chat!

also this can be done by making a mirror of your index and name it index2.html and then only allow users with no referrer to access this site, otherwise throw them to the other page



great concept though

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goBigtime

See.. Rich gets it & Rich is #2 king of TGP's.

He even wrote the book on how to make 10 300k TGP's in < 30 days or something.



But seriously Rich... I just threw the chat idea out there as example to get peoples gears moving. There are quite a few things that I could think of that you could use as your hook. The key is to just come up with something unique. Definitely consider blending mainstream things into it


See... the idea is to make this hook the primary reason for them coming to your site.

If you are building returning visitors (bookmarkers or direct) in high volume like that daily, your numbers on the counters are going to climb fast.

Big numbers on the counter = more/bigger people wanting to be listed on your site.

slapass

I just bookmarked this thread. the idea has tons of applications.

Libertine

Even though I am now officially out of adult, this is a thread I just can't resist...

First of all, people bookmark because they like what's on your page in the first place. If bookmarkers get more stuff, you'd get more bookmarkers by putting that stuff on your site for non-bookmarkers... you know, the people that still need convincing.

Second, people use all sorts of ways to get to sites. Some just click a link on another page to your site every day, or simply type your url in google. Those people are most often the newbies, the ones that can make you the most money.

Third, offering something especially for bookmarkers sounds too much like a gimmick, or maybe something shady. It sounds like you're trying to sell something, which actually makes it harder to get the bookmarkers you want.


If you want to get bookmarkers, get an easy to remember domain name (most bookmarkers are actually typ-ins), offer great content, have an easy to navigate site, and make the surfer feel "safe" on your page (no links to popup hells, no misleading links, etc).
If you want to put something on the site specifically for bookmarkers, make it something that is easily accessible for non-bookmarkers which is only useful on return visits. For instance, offer something that lets them anonymously store their porn links or offer a hq vid series that is updated daily or weekly.

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goBigtime

Amidst the eternal circle jerk that is blind-link TGP trades, people sometimes forget to bookmark things while they have their dicks in their hands.

All the more reason to use my idea. It T R A I N S them on how to easily revisit your site from their computer. If there is a daily updated feature that they like & that they are coming back for - they'll have to do it via bookmark or by remembering and typing in your name.

This way you get credits for "bookmark" visitors on the various counters. And the big players know that "bookmark traffic" is higher quality than blindly-clicked-a-link traffic. See?



I'm not sure how shady it would sound, but it costs them very little (a bookmark & return visit) to find out if it was a geniune offer or not. If it was a geniune offer & they were interested enough to bookmark & return for it -- then you're in like flynn.




Great ideas

Intelligence

Bookmark traffic converts terrible, but eventually a freeloader will bust out the CC and drop a signup when he sees what he absolutely can't live without

goBigtime

If you really believe that, Quiet will buy all your hun links

Libertine

You can get people out of the circle jerk of blind link trades by not using blind link trades, or only using very little. That gets people to bookmark more as well. (just remember to remind them to bookmark)
Let's face it, if you offer a semi-normal amount of content but throw in many blind links, people just aren't gonna bookmark a lot. They'll click a few links, then get directed to another site where something gets their attention, and they're gone until they've blown their load... at which point they'll just close all the open windows.
To get them to bookmark, they need to find something exceptional... the site which lets them find the porn they need without redirection and shit.

Training surfers generally doesn't work that well, sadly enough. Many have tried it, but the reality remains that surfers just want to do things whichever way they prefer with as little interference as possible from the sites they visit. If they need to do extra stuff to see your site, chances are they won't be bothered.

Your idea could work, but then you'd need to use a reward that really makes it worth it to the surfer... generally, a reward that big would have an equally great effect if it was available to all surfers.

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goBigtime

You're not following... the hook(s) is the primary reason for them to bookmark & return daily.

Not the non-bookmarker area.

Think about that for awhile.

Think about what I said about counters.


Listen to John... it's the hook! The hook brings em' back.

maxjohan

so where is your big tgps?

let me guess, your a teo guy that when it comes to "doing it" you
don't have what it takes...??

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and you are broke.

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goBigtime

Oh don't worry - I do, and have done plenty.


Like I said in the start of this thread.... I'm burnt out on adult. I've been "in adult" since about 1996.

The times are changing and, for me, it's time for change.

So the good idea (and probably more over the coming weeks) is yours. Enjoy.



Btw...got any of those pretty calendar girls you want to show us?