50 ermm 75 Future big players!

Well let me put it this way.
The guys that are openning 1 dollar sites or even 5 dollar sites will be the traffic controllers in the near future.:Graucho

yup, and who can figure out how to to keep the affiliate payout the highest and the member retention the longest will win...

word

maybe instead of lowering prices, site owners
should make their sites worth what is charged.

bingo imho. massive consolidation, scaling, and a starbucks-style market-flooding of adult, are tactics i can see becoming realities in 5 years.

:)

What do you prefer? 40 dollar in 40 months or 40 dollar in 1 month ?

And those 1 dollar sites, if surfers see that they will never join a $30-$40 buck site anymore. I think Lars is right.

im no fan of 10 buck sites either

A.K.A the killers of the $30-$40 bucks sites

Exactly, this is one of the most stupiest "serious" thread of the year.... so far. :1orglaugh

there was a time about year and half ago where there were NO free trials other than CE. sign ups at paid trial sites were rocking.
ever since than sign ups are down.

same as 4 years ago

food for thought

if surfers are forced to pay, THEY'LL pay

Lars, out of all people you remember COPA days, sign ups were rocking back than with little free porn avalable

same is happening right now with the flood of free trials, $1 trials, $1month and so on

I kind of agree.. I think most people give surfers more credit that they deserve. Surfers buy whatever the hell we sell them. They buy it at the price we try to sell it to them. Of course, there are different rates of success (conversion ratios & payouts).

Haven't you noticed that you can sell memberships to amateur, hardcore, cam sites, opt-in email, penis pills, browser tools like popup blockers, etc. etc. with the same traffic?

Always Be Closing!

exactly makret forces will eventually drive the price down.

I think we are already seeing it

but the biggerst thing nthat will drive prices down will be visa and mc cracking down on all the extra charging that goes on still today

yes surfers are very dumb they have to be burned by people multiple times before they wisen up. its slow but it happens...

consoles are on the way out now its download hell. and email is way less effective. just saying over time this will be what happens could be wrong, just the way i see it and it may take a lot longer than I think there is always new innovations in this biz that change everything overnight

Back to the Nickelodeon days ?? lets get some old whores on there guming everyone to death:1orglaugh

:) I am just trying to look at all the possibilities of the biz in the next few years. And this makes sense to me, but who knows what is in store for the industry.

POKER ............Lars ..........................POKER

also I just checked my credit card statment and I am poster boy for the avg person who looks at porn.

here's what on my card this month.


$4.95 DAINEWS.nu (celeb site)

$6.95 Site Matter counter service.

$9.95 Rhodposy music service.(any songyou can think of is there and legal. they have a deal with record companies)

$9.95 B-o-a-r-d-t-r-a-c-k-e-r service(I know, I forgot to cancel it again for the 3rd str8 month now.)

$4.95 Type Pad blog extras and hosting


$48.00 12min. 1-900-eat-cock ($4.00min. those bastards)


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$40 pay sites 0


so I see a pattern in my monthly spending. Low monthly services are the future. With boardband getting bigger every day. Giving people what they want(lots of info and content) they will pay.

I'm gonna start 1pennysites.com Rebills forever. Pays $50 per sign-up.

Guys who think ahead and innovate are here to stay. The rest are history:2 cents:

I agree with that, so how many programs now offer $1 monthly sales and how many offer $10 monthly ?

Sign me up for that!!!

Free Porn Is The Most Profitable Porn

its good for cutting your teeth on thats for sure....

yes, this is a viable business model. one of many.

but there will always be a market for the premium priced "boutique" site that produces original content.

producing original exclusive content costs money. you have to recoup that $ in the form of higher membership fees.

generally, to command top dollar membership fees you have to give the surfer something they can't find anywhere else.

not at the adult bookstore, not at the adult video outlet.

if you can do that, and produce a quality product, you can collect a higher recurring fee.

and there is a feeling amongst many smut consumers---the lower the price, the lower the titillation.

many times you can raise your pricing and enjoy the same number of sales on the same content.

smut is not a commodity sale, it is a psychological sale.

damn it

They are dead already.
They just do not know it yet.

But they will evolve with the scape of the Net.

only the ones with shit content that fuck the surfer.
those with quality $30-$40 sites enjoy the loyal members
that migrate from the shitty sites.

I seriously can't believe a guy that charges $5 per minute for cam shows is questioning the value of porn. People will pay well over $40 for something they like. I have some domains for cheap ass paysites but I by no means intent to fill it to the gills with content. What in the world happens to make someone getting thousands of $ a month from some of your single viewers to think people don't want to spend $40 a month. It makes absolutely no sense.

I think people should create a bunch of GROUPS, of places where they can get free porn, where everyone can make USE of it!

Hey, UseGroups. Catchy name. Now if someone would just invent them. :Graucho


... My next idea is a place where surfers signup and get all their porn "4 free" ... dunno what to call that one yet though, but I'm working on it.

<font face="verdana" color="yellow" size="6"><b>JOIN NOW FOR FREE!</b></font>




















<font face="verdana" color="ffffff" size="1">Free for the first 24 hours of the subscription. Upon expiration of the 24 hour period your account will be billed 10,000USD. </font>

you are a clown.

:glugglug

Swoit may be a good name?.

:glugglug

btw, haven't seen a sale in 1,500 uniqes wiht "magic". Throw me a sign up lensman..I just need $40 to go for a check.

:1orglaugh

I think about tushy. Damn uniqe but not my niches.

:glugglug

you are a smart mofo but I whould make it $97 :winkwink:

thats gotte be the best point made yet. I agree I have no Idea why anyone would pay $5 a min to talk to a chick. But they do like crazy. I have no Idea why 1 customer would spend $22,000 in a month but it happened at our site. That model was stoked and so was the referring webmaster :)

I just think at some point thats where it is going....

Did the price of phone sex drop like a rock what was the high point per miniute of phone sex and what is it today ?

This is kinda my point what I am saying is the big content producing mega name band comapny will have the resources and manpower to off up all niches exclusive content in all those niches and different front ends that sell the $5 sites and just like the companys who now sell 50 sites for the same price... it would be like 500 sites for theprcie of one you just enter through your favorite gateway or niche....

ok check out this idea

the mega company does not have a affiliate program anymore and just acts as a backend for a ton of other paysites with affiliate programs. doing billling and content and whatnot and let all the other companies simply market it for them..

I think the ARS thread basically backs up this notion that paysites at $39 bucks recurring paying out $35 are loosing the battle to higher content sites charging less money.

maybye there are endless dumb surfers who will but the $39 and stay with no contnet in the sites but i stil think low cost sites with mega content are gonna win in the end its just a long atrition to get there

great :)

If the user download a lot at 5 $ a month you could loose $ just on BW .

Look at yahoo games they charge 15 $ and make good money .10 $ sites are just fine right now :)

We started our 900 lines which were 2 of the first national phone sex numbers at .50 cents first minute .35 cents each additional minutes.

Without any competition the call counts and minutes were off the charts obviously.

Next step up was $2 a minute, then to $2.95, $3.95, $4.95 and $5.95 where its pretty much peaked at today in the industry.

That's about $300 an hour about the same you pay to get phone fucked by your attorney when his meter is running.

The biggest amount from a single customer was a bit over $25,000 of calls.

The biggest amount form a single entity was over $135,000. Which came from a state government. And I'll not mention the name here.

haahahah NICE !

$0.25 per year! Yes!! They rebill for life !

exactly...only cookie-cutter sites have to fear (for now tho) :2 cents:

we shall see only time will tell if this prediction turns true or not

no lack of quality and creativity do that

Nice blast from the past post, Lars!

:winkwink:

The trick is:



Fair price ($30+/mo is fair) for unique GOOD content that the surfers want! Content they can't get somewhere else! It's the niches people :)

Just wait until 50centsitescash.com launches!

We have for a long time, had joins for 5$ for 30 days. Then rebilling at 24 or 34 for the next 30. We did 5 for 30, and rebill at 5, but it actually worked out better at the higher rebill rate.

I've got the answer... let's just shut down all paysites and give the surfer free access to everything. I'm not reducing my price of $24.95 and I have no problem converting

Carry on :2 cents: